My 1st Grow pics - Help!

[widowsmite]

200w cfl bulb with reflector.
3 female cuttings.
small fan,
compost,
ph balancer,
and a sneaky cupboard!

I picked up the cuttings (which are in rockwool) about 4 days ago and straight away put them in big pots and under the bulb on 18/6 light with constant fan.
The cuttings new leaves on the tips seem to be yellow and not heathly. Also 2 of the cuttings have the white "hairs" which i thought ment it it was trying to bud already!
Also i fed the soil with a tiny amount of fertilizer with water before the cuttings went in.
And when the cuttings were placed in the compost they all had roots.

Any idea's would be welcome as is this my 1st grow!

plant 1

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0275.jpg

plant 2

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plant 3

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0299.jpg

[widowsmite]

More pics but of the general setup;

still very concerned about the leaf tips! its currently running 26*C with the light on and 24*C off. Been Ph'ing my water, also letting it stand for a day to rid some of the chlorine and get to room temp.

Any other tips or ideas please!?

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[magiclight]

You shoulden't give you're babies any ferts untill they are established, and usually 3-4 weeks after they were put into thier soil. (The soil will contain all the nutres they need until then.)

Other than that, I don't know whats wrong. Maybe some of the experienced guys here will come along and help :)

[dj #]

what kind of fertilizer did you use to feed the soil before you planted them?
how much did you use?
how often are you watering the plants? and how much?
are you spraying them?
what pH are you balancing the water to?

[widowsmite]

what kind of fertilizer did you use to feed the soil before you planted them?
it is a 7-7-7 fert

how much did you use?
diluted it 1/8 of what it said to, so not much...but still if your not supposed to then its too much!

how often are you watering the plants?
untill the top soil is dry and feel the weight of the pot. usualy 1 every 2 days.

and how much?
aprox 400 ml?

are you spraying them?
started today because i have bloody spider mite! and from photos i think it maybe the culprit. I sprayed with soapy water and left for 20min then sprayed with water. going to try and do this every day. If no improvment find something else a bit "harder".

what pH are you balancing the water to?
between 6-7 its very hard to get anything accurate with the drops and gauge im using.

They still seem to be growing at a slow rate, maybe the shock of potting them? plus the fert and the mites?

Does anyone have experience with cfl's? not too sure how close to have it to the plants?

Many thanks people! especially if you save my babies!

[Mr_Bimble]

Distance with CFL's is easy...As close as you can without burning them.

How to tell - put your hand above the plants with the top of you hand facing the bulb - if it feels warm then the light is too close.

[Vetran]

jesussssssssssssss. Walkers crisps.

Never use nutes when in veg there is NO need your soil contains what the plant needs. each time you pot up in the veg cycle the plant has its food in the soil. you may not of known this so i wont call the canabis police :D...

ph and water only and they will be happy as larry

dont worry about spidermite unless you see webs... most of the time just brrushing the bugs you can see of will stop them from populating and causing trouble... aslong as they dont make a web you are fine... ive done full grows and cut the lot down with spidermite and all was fine...

if you going to spray .. spray when the lights are going of ..

the reason they are growing at a slow rate is due to the fact they are stressed... when a plant is stressed it wont do much growing.

[widowsmite]

thanks Mr_Bimble and Vetran for that!
The lights are fine where they are i think from the hand test lol.

i'll keep an eye on the mites then and give them the odd spray to keep them down and stay on Ph'd room temp water.

I'll update with more pics if any major grow/disaster happens!

Anyone have an idea of the white hairs growing on the cuttings? i dont know if the mother was in flower and the cuttings are in flower mode?

[weed heed]

hiya widowsmite the white hairs on the cuttings are pre flowers which shows the sex of the plant and come before flowerin as the name says,so dont worry they should be there on female cuttings,as folks say jist plain water left overnight give the compost a good soaking till the water comes from the holes at the pot bottom and they wont need it for days as your pots are big.try and get the light to a couple of inches at most away fi the plants and dont worry too much pal as all the new growth on the cuttings looks fine.weed heed

[widowsmite]

Thanks weed heed! They are looking a lot better since i cut off the dead bottom leaves and got rid of some of the mites. Leaves are looking a bit greener and some growth towards the light, will pop some pics on in a few days.
Also going to make a stealth cupboard becuase im concerned about ventilation when they start smelling!

[ME SMOKEM]

hope to see new pics..the first pics i woulda said mostly over watering,,the early nutes arent good but dont think that hurtem too much the sploches on leaves almost look like bottom roots staying in mud to long without air..hope ya gottem str8 they looked saveable for sure...peace

[widowsmite]

Right ME SMOKEM, here you are.
As you can see there is improvement on all 3, mainly plant 3 and 2

Plant 1

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0314.jpg

Plant 2

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Plant 3

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[seanMcPot]

there looking a bit better!!

[Monster]

plant 3 looks like its doing the best out the lot to me, but hay what do i know about indoor grows. lol ;)

[dj #]

just water them with pH balanced water ever 4-7 days for the next 3-4 weeks as they will get all the nutrient they need from the soil

they look to be picking up slowly, they will be quite unhealthy after the stress of being cloned and getting roots down, just treat them gently and they will be fine :)

good luck with them and happy growing

dj#

[widowsmite]

Update;

plant 2

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plant 3

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Looking better! just need plant 1 to sort it's sorry ass out!

[widowsmite]

Update;
Spider mites need sorting as there is more of them. Whats the best way?
Think there is a bit of heat burn on plant 2&3? what u think? ive raised the light to be safe by a couple of inch.
Any idea's or tips very very welcome!

plant 1
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plant 2
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plant 3
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Light distance
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[FZjb]

looking nice, and a great recovery!

I keep my 250w cfl around 3 inches above the top of my main plant and my 7x20w cfls around 1-2 inches above my seedlings/cuttings with no probs at all.

I found that using a good branded insectiside from the local Garden center, with mites listed, does the job nicely if its not a full scale invasion. if your not flowering, then give them a few more days to get settled in and nuke the fuckers. keep the mites at bay with a quick squirt of water untill that time. thats what i would do. no compromise with those bleeders,hit em good and hit em hard. full soaking. DARE they step foot inside MY grow room again.. ahem.

i did this 2-3 weeks ago with my grow room & seedlings/cuttings and all is well today!

[marijuanamat]

Tobacco juice and veggy oil emulsified with a few ml of cheap and nasty washing up liquid works really well at killing mites.
Just add 2 gram of tobbaco to 250ml of boiling water and leave to cool for a few hours then strain the tobbaco juice through a coffee filter then add 5 to 8ml of veggy oil (any kind will do) then add another 750ml of water to make it up to 1L then add some washing up liquid until the veggy oil has emulsified,add to spray gun and away you go.
You'll need to spray them every 5 days until the mites are gone and it should only take 2-3 applications to wipe em out.

[Everyone's bud!]

Nice to see these badboys have picked up - good luck with the rest of the grow!

[widowsmite]

Thanks for your help peeps!
My next step is to hopefully permenently get rid of the bloody mites!
Maybe start to SCROG the 2 big plants?
and try and find a nice cheap wardrobe for the new grow room:D
would like to know the strain im growing, i'll be able to find out soom but feel free to take guesses....and tell me! lol
More photos next week.
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[widowsmite]

Update 7th October

plant 1 and 2 (front)

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plant 3

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looking ok, could anyone guess what strain they could be?!? it looks indica and thats all i know lol.
also tips of some leaves curled under....any ideas?

[dj #]

hey they have really picked up! nice one! :D

id advise you to remove the small plant from the window box container the two plants are in and repot it into its own pot before the roots get too tangled
the larger of the two plants will just outgrow and dominate the other plant,
it will use up more of the soil and generally crowd out the little plant

[widowsmite]

Right, each plant has its own container now, roots were a bit tangled but sooner the better i suppose. Had a panic with plant 3, went very droopy. I thought it had been over watered, pulled the plant out the pot and the soil was dry as a bone. Now watered it shot back into full force within hours! great stuff. Any advice on when i should start to SCROG and when to start flowering? i was going to leave it maybe about 5 more weeks?
Any support advice welcome.
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[FZjb]

awesome recovery there m8.

strain looks very much like my unknown bagseed indi. identical from those cuttings, right down to the color of the stems and the green bits in with the purple.

maybe all high% indi's look like this tho' :)

still, beryl as she was formely known, is an absolute killer stone that i can ONLY handle in the evening less i want to be on "slow" mode all day! very spicy and earthy taste.nice.lol.

hope yurs is as good :D keep us updated.

[widowsmite]

lovely! did you CFL grow? much yield of them? just bought some general bug spray and going to be giving them a squirt a day for maybe 2 weeks, make sure them mites become extincted from my garden! i'll be posting photos in the next few days.

[widowsmite]

quick update....
Plants now in seperate container.
Pest spray for spider mites, a squirt under the leaves a day.
Still looking for a suitable place to move them too.

Questions;
When should i start to SCROG?
Will my 200w plug n grow CFL fitment be ok with a 250w bulb when flowering?
Will they need repotting into larger pots?

Thanks peeps!

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[HomeGrownHomer]

just had a look thru ur thread. really ace to see they picked up after the yellowing that had occurred! how ur spidermites get lost soon! dam things!
there starting to look really really good. im a first time grower myself so im afraid advice isnt my strong point but im pretty sure the experienced guys on here will be round to help you out. im in my 3rd week of veg with my first grow using HPS400W. had a lotta probs wen i started out *burnt a bunch of seedlings the story is in my diary lol* got ONE survivor but shes looking really good , the strain that survived was L.A Woman. :D:)

good luck on ur grow ill deffo b bk thru to check out the progress m8.

[widowsmite]

This is their new home to be!
It's pretty much perfect. Cost me next to nothing from a second hand shop. In the next few weeks it will have;

- My 200watt CFL hanging in there with the mini fan/heater
-Two 12cm pc fans (in and outlets),
-Homemade carbon filter. (carbon pellets and tin can i think)
-Top compartment may be used as a seedling room eventually.
-Needs airproofing. Thinking of getting a tube of silicone for around the doors.
-Make the dark inside walls white like the rest

the dimentions are 33" wide x 22" deep x 72" tall....Pretty big!

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[HiLife]

The yellow tips leaves will dye but you have nice green ones that are flourishing, it happened with me with Low Ryder that I started from seeds, they lived and I harvested nicely,

[widowsmite]

Yo Hilife, yeah all is good at the moment, a couple of yellow/brown spots on a a few leaves but it maybe down to the bug spray? I'll keep an eye on it.
Don't know weather its too late to SCROG now so i might just leave um to grow north :D
When im Going into flower I am going to get a 200w RED flower CFL. But i was thinking would it be wise to have my BLUE 200w on with the RED? I know its wrong flowering spectrum but an extra 200w of light and lumens? If there both on 12/12 for my 3 plants? Or is it overkill? Pros and Cons?!?!
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[widowsmite]

Update;
I have found out the plants are White Rhino. Done a bit of reading up on them, has anyone grown this before?
Still not moved to their new home yet. Waiting for payday to get another bulb, PC fans, heater and some type of home made carbon filter!
More pics soon as i find my camera lead!!!
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[widowsmite]

Ok i have just bought 2 fans -
http://www.bcomputing.co.uk/images/EZ_COOL_CASE_FAN.jpg
My grow room is aprox 8 or 9m squared i worked it out at. and the fans can shift 45 CFM each. So would 90CFM be sufficent for the size? Also thinking of having the fans both on extract and just a hole for intake at the bottom. Then i have more power to suck for the filter! Oh and i have tried the phone charger method and it is dead easy to do. Just the charger was no where near powerful enough and probably could of farted harder than it was blowing!
In other news im going to make a Co2 producer with vinegar, baking soda and a pop bottle. Has anyone had much luck with extra Co2 or isn't it worth messing for?
Thanks for reading!
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[GR33N FINGERZ]

hi , great turn around on plant lifes. lookin real good, i grow with cfl's you can use a 250w in your hood, i use 200w blue for veg 250w red for flower 4 wks and sometimes finish off with 400w hps, but i have had plenty of good quality smoke with cfl's. also why not try a small tent ? put up and down in five mins, mylar lined, i have a small one for veg and a larger one for flower, works great.

[widowsmite]

Right! Here we go again,
All 3 plants have had what i think is/was Magnesium defficiency. I bought some "Chempak Trace Elements" and put a 1/3 of the recomended dose in so i didn't end up with nute burn. The blotches have stopped appearing i think and they seem to be generally healthier!
The spider mites are still there because i stopped spraying them when i saw the blotches, thinking that was the cause but they kept appearing. So now the little fuckkers are going to get nuked every night before lights out.
I have repotted one plant into a large pot and added more soil to the other 2 but they are getting repotted hopefully tomorrow.
As you can see they have started going bushy, and nearly 6 weeks old. But they are only about 8 inches tall?? Do you think they will do better with the bigger pots because the roots were everywhere!
The next step is ongoing with the new grow'drobe. I have some parts but going to wait for everything before commiting them to it!
Here are my 3 White Rhino's;

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0389.jpg
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Mg deff??
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[dj #]

Mg deff??
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0391.jpgnope thats not Magnesium (Mg) deficiency, its more than likely spotting from pH imbalance/fluctuation,
but as you have said its stoppped now so no need to worry,
just dont feed any more nutes ok, they still have plenty in the soil to feed from

[widowsmite]

this morning i have bought some more compost and repotted the other 2 into their final pots. Also i have started to LST them ( i think thats the correct term?) using garden wire which is very nice to work with and not fluffy like pipe cleaners which would arract mold.
Hope this will encourage more growth because now i can set my bulb lower over a wider range of the plants :)
Thanks Dj for the pointing out its more than likely PH, which would make sense because i only have one of the crappy little 4-10 dropper kits. Also no more nutes for them because Dj knows what he's talking about! haha
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pics of the tie down and general setup.......
http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0392.jpg
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[widowsmite]

Yo again! Done a bit more LST work this morning as you can see. Growth still going well, no more Ph problems since last update. Ordered a 4" inline fan and carbon filter for the growdrobe (£60 off ebay). Didn't want to run the risk of smell and air temp with Pc fans.
Might start flowering in 2-3 weeks? they have been in the soil for nearly 7 weeks now. From looking at other similar grows i think mine are growing on the slow side. Good things come to those who wait.
.....Now where did i put my pint of Guiness?
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[widowsmite]

Would it be too early to flower? im only looking at getting 2-3 oz from my 3 plants. Dont expect alot from my 1st grow!
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[widowsmite]

Another few pics from today. Bit more LST work to keep it even (getting a little tricky with the space). Slight bit of nute burn to one plant. I can only guess its from the trace elements last week and a mix of fresh soil the roots have just got too.
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[LadyJane]

those are looking really nice widowsmite! i bet you could start flowering now and be more than happy with your yeild, but on the other hand, if youve got the space why not go for it? waiting is a killer im on my first grow and im so impatient its terrible!

[widowsmite]

Yeah tell me about it! I'll be checking all the time when they are in flower (only when the lights on!hehe) Might give it a few more weeks in veg, not got loads of room but im not struggling.....yet. Got a carbon filter now and inline fan which is a good job cos there a bit smelly now so god knows what there gonna be like when at the end of flowering. Apparently there one of the smelliest strains :(.
But hey! Some seriously narcotic smoke coming my way :D

[widowsmite]

Right! they are in their new home! Didnt really want to move them this quick but they are a bit smelly. I have yet to hook up the fan and filter as i need to borrow a jigsaw cutter to cut the dividing shelf so the CF can be placed into the grow part and leave the fan in the top. The CF is going to be hung up at the top near where the light hangers are. Also a 4 way adapter or extention run into the grow part for my heater which is going to be connected to a plug in thermostat(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/318-NvriUBL._SL500_AA280_.jpg). Also need a intake hole making when CF is working. Only thing at the moment is there is no fan or fresh air :( but i cant do anything about it untill i get a jigsaw. Shouldn't be long though.
Also ordered a 250w Red bulb which will be on 12/12 as soon as i get it.
Oh! and i need to light proof the doors......any ideas?
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[popeyejohnson]

hang a sheet of black and white at the front but behind the doors? and if you put a towel down under your fan and filter and itll quiten down no end mate by the way did it come from the kit bag shop? as i have the same filter set up i think ;]

[widowsmite]

hehe yeah too right! when i tried it i was like AHH! but i slapped an old T shirt under it :D

[widowsmite]

hang a sheet of black and white at the front but behind the doors? and if you put a towel down under your fan and filter and itll quiten down no end mate by the way did it come from the kit bag shop? as i have the same filter set up i think ;]

Sorry dude i only half replied! Yeah its from Kitbag about £60 with postage, For fan, filter and piping i thought was a bargin. I never seen the black and white stuff but i'll see tomorrow hopefully. Your fan and CF do the job?
Cheers mate.

[popeyejohnson]

ive not set up yet ws ive just set me seeds off germing on some paper towel then itll be in the propergator with a cfl lamp on them till theyre established so i reckon ill be setting up around the end of next week hope fully maybe a bit longer we,ll see so at the mo im not sure about the filter but i reckon itll be good they sell enough dont they?

[widowsmite]

Quick update;
250w RED bulb came today!! and ive stuck it in and on 12/12 so day one of flower stage (yey!) Was expecting the extra 50watts to be brighter but it doesn't look it. I think its to do with the spectrum....a nice warm glow instead of brilliant white.
Also plugged my fan heater into the thermostat plug which is working but the heat has fried some of the leaves not many but still not great so it has been re positioned.
Still waiting for a jigsaw to cut the hole for the ducting. Going to get a tube heater next month (better heat dissipation, lower energy and less risk of fire!).
As for the growth, pretty good. I'll take some photo's in the next couple of days.
Need a trip to the hydro shop still for some black/white stuff to stop light through the cracks.
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[FZjb]

still looking good m8

should BBLLOOOOOMMMMM with the new bulb!!!!

[b.t.y]

hey man just read the whole diary, nice revival

*pulls up a chair*

[widowsmite]

Cheers peeps! Yeah cant wait for some buds to start forming. My timers had it think. Going to check it toinght and see if has moved. i bought 3 from pound land and the other 2 old ones i cant find to swap for this one lol (might have to go and spend another pound oh no! haha)
Shouldn't do much harm becuase they will have to get used to 12/12 anyway. I Promise more photos soon, hopefully tomorrow.
Thanks for reading.
x

[tripr]

they picked up nicely in the end. how they gettin on now,

[seanMcPot]

nice little set up there!keep up the good work!!

[widowsmite]

Here we go. So its been a week since they got flipped to 12/12 and removed dead leaves today for the photos hehe. They were mostly on the bottom where the light was minimal. The light doesn't look right, it must be the flash on the phone.
Also a pic of the bubblewrapped fan thats still not doing anything....NEED A JIGSAW! and a tube heater "cough cough" and some black and white .....and mylar "cough" Santa???
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[widowsmite]

does anyone have an idea about good blooming nutes? i got a 7-7-7 but should i use something better. Im not even using nutes ATM but i think i will need to soon.
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[nuggy]

hey great diary will definetly keep my eye on this keep it updated! :)

[b.t.y]

does anyone have an idea about good blooming nutes? i got a 7-7-7 but should i use something better. Im not even using nutes ATM but i think i will need to soon.
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i use bio bloom and topmax. but if you don't mind feeding chemicals then canna seems to be the one. if you have the money use canna boost accerator with pk 13/14 too :):):)

[widowsmite]

Cheers nuggy i hope it comes in some help towards yours. Cheers "Billy" for the advice, i think i'll use biobloom because ive seen it mentioned a fair bit thinking about it!
I'll keep it updated as much as possible without being boring, I'll keep an eye out on the flowers coming and update also when my growroom is completed (found a friend with a jigsaw at last) That is priority really because of the smell and air circulation.
Thanks for reading :D
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[b.t.y]

(found a friend with a jigsaw at last) That is priority really because of the smell and air circulation.
:D
x

what size hole you need to cut

i found that machine mart do brilliant hole cutters http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cht350-16-piece-hole-saw-set

hope this link is okay mods im not treading on anyones toes am i ?

[widowsmite]

cheers for the link mate! if i dont get hold of this saw i'll buy them! looked on ebay but couldn't find a big enough one (oh-er-missus)
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[b.t.y]

yea tookio me ages to find those ones

[widowsmite]

My plants are sucking up about a litre every 2-3 days....is this normal?! because im scared of over watering but i know when there thirsty because the leaves droop and when i water them they bounce back to life so it isnt over watering.
I just dont want to over water them but i dont like keeping them thirsty because i bet it can have an effect in yield?
Think i should give them about 2 litres and leave them for longer?
im still not giving them nutes either!
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[nuggy]

hey widow glad to see an update im not so sure as im well new to this myself, but i would put some nutes in i cant see it doing no harm your plants are matured now, i have been searching for lots of threads similar to yours the last few days and on some they have said plants have been havin a litre or so a day. Anyway good luck i hope it turns out well :) when are the next pictures up? :)

peace out

nuggy

[widowsmite]

Yo nuggy thanks for that liter a day info....bit more reassuring :D! i'll be able to get some pics monday evening i hope. I just have to be carefull when i do it. I would post some every day but its not worth the risk of taking them and raising more suspision.
Remember;
Just because your'e paranoid doesn't mean their not after you.....
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[widowsmite]

Does this look good for the 2nd week of 12/12 ??
Any idea's hints/tips/etc welcome :D
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[nuggy]

looking good mate have you not a got a red spectrum bulb?

peace out

nuggy

[widowsmite]

Yo nuggy yeah its a 250w red, just looks like blue light in the photos and with a blue ring on it:D but it has the nice warm red glow to it trust me!
Just fed them aprox 3ml of 7-7-7 nutes in 3 litres of water (1 per plant) but they are sucking it like mad now, may add another litre tomorrow too without nutes.
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[dj #]

what size pots they in? look nice an big

[widowsmite]

id say 10 litre minimum mate proabably closer to 15. Just scared of overwatering them from Tetras grow diary but i need to be a bit braver i think because its doing them no good going limp every 3-4 days.
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[dj #]

ok so for that size pot you'll need approx 2-3 litres of water to properly water the pot through
it should only need watered every 4-5 days minimum just now i would have said with the size of the plants

[widowsmite]

Nice one Dj, ive been watering them with a 2 litre jug and a 1 litre jug, and Ph'ing both jugs at a time, Getting a bit annoying as you can imagine.
I think a watering can shall be in order!
Do you think they look ok from the photos? i know they are not really close ups but in general colour and growth? since they are in flowering?
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[widowsmite]

Quick update,
Managed to water them properly now with something bigger! Also had to raise the light. Still got spider mites but i'll have to stop spraying soon because of the flowers. I think i'll just have to live with them this time and for the next grow make sure everything is sterile
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[widowsmite]

Will be more updated pics tomorrow folks, looking gooooood! having to raise the light every few days
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[widowsmite]

Update;
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[jhon konners]

thay look verry gud m8 be proud

[BURNZ]

First time ive looked at this thread, looking good keep it up :bigjoint:

[dj #]

well they look pretty good widowsmite, :)
are you feeding them anything now?

[widowsmite]

Thanks peeps, thanks for taking the time to have a look through. Hopefully if im successful all the way through with enough information it might get a Sticky.
If theres any pics or info you want of my setup etc i'll try my best to post.

I have only fed them the once about a week and a half ago (1ml per plant). Im going to get some proper Bloom nutes i think instead of my poundland 7-7-7!. They are not showing any signs of nute deficiency that i can tell so i dont want to run the risk of nute burn again. Plus i have lots of soil there for them.
Also i was Ph'ing my water to about 6 and Dj said it needs to be 6.5. I re-read where i got that source of info from and it was for non soil grows!! :stoned-smilie:
Everything is a learning curve though! At least they are still growing ey chaps!
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[nuggy]

They looking nice mate, i agree with roseberryk be proud and thanks for the info on ph i thought it was 6 :stoned-smilie:

peace out

nuggy

[dj #]

I have only fed them the once about a week and a half ago (1ml per plant). Im going to get some proper Bloom nutes i think instead of my poundland 7-7-7!. They are not showing any signs of nute deficiency that i can tell so i dont want to run the risk of nute burn again. Plus i have lots of soil there for them.
Also i was Ph'ing my water to about 6 and Dj said it needs to be 6.5. I re-read where i got that source of info from and it was for non soil grows!! :stoned-smilie:
Everything is a learning curve though! At least they are still growing ey chaps!
xyou said you fed them 1ml per plant? how much water was this mixed in and fed would be more helpful?

the low pH will explain the slight crispy nute burn on your lower leaf edges

[widowsmite]

Yo Dj, it was 1ml per litre, and a litre per plant. Anyone havested with spider mites present? Do they like bud too? or will they stay on the leaves still?
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[widowsmite]

Any ideas?

[widowsmite]

NOOOOOOOOB!!!!!
Just been in to water and i thought they whiffed a bit. Made sure all the connections to my carbon filter were ok....Then realised i had put the fecking fan the wrong way so it was sucking air in and blowing smelly air out my "intake" for about a month!
.........Well at least they were getting super fresh air in ey!

Should have some more pics tomorrow evening. Looking very nice, just gave them about 3-4 litres of water with about 1ml of 7-7-7 nutes each. Thats the last feed on that stuff because im getting bloom nutes tomorrow.
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[allmix]

cuttings alway look shit at first,they look fine.

[RoyceRolling]

If you haven't electrocuted yourself yet move that 4 way extension off the floor before you do matey.

[widowsmite]

Royce Rolling - Yeah i know it looks bad but it is actually raised on a block off the floor by 2-3cms and the fan heater is also. Plus none of my pots have holes in the bottom, there are actualy plant buckets. Thanks for concerning my safetly tho! you got my back hehe.
Photos will have to be tomorrow morning. No camera to hand, sorry peeps.
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[widowsmite]

Update;
What you think peeps?
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[nuggy]

oooo they look lovely :D well done all the best i hope you get some good results :)

peace out

nuggy :smokie:

[widowsmite]

thanks nuggy! appreciate it dude! you recon 3-4 oz is possible? just over 1oz per plant? be nice to have hps but 250 cfl is all i got. (well a blue 200w but i havent got another fitment)
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[jono1988]

Plants are looking reallllllllyyy nice mate. How long until the chop?

[widowsmite]

Hey Jonno, not sure really! They have been on 12/12 four weeks today, So in theory about 6 weeks left but i personally think it depends on a lot of things from what ive read. The main one being White Rhino needs an extra week, and that last week the buds fatten a lot and produce a white coating. Also Cfls may need a few more days over HPS. Ill just wait till the hairs turn mostly brown i think. If i had a super strong magnifying glass it would be nice but hey ho!
Any guesses on dried weight? the winner gets a virtual 1/8th!
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[jono1988]

Hey Jonno, not sure really! They have been on 12/12 four weeks today, So in theory about 6 weeks left but i personally think it depends on a lot of things from what ive read. The main one being White Rhino needs an extra week, and that last week the buds fatten a lot and produce a white coating. Also Cfls may need a few more days over HPS. Ill just wait till the hairs turn mostly brown i think. If i had a super strong magnifying glass it would be nice but hey ho!
Any guesses on dried weight? the winner gets a virtual 1/8th!
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oright ok cool, will be well worth the wait though mate lol.

[nuggy]

a virtual 8th does sound nice hmmm, just go for on oz a plant m8 you will only be disapointed if someone says yer youll get 3 - 4 oz and you dont :) are they smelling lovely??, ive just started my babies off the just about to peek through the soil ill be doing northern lights will be happy with half oz a plant if im honest better than the robbing shizers who deal 0.7g for a 10 bag lol

peace out

nuggy :smokie:

[BURNZ]

I would say 2 and a half OZ's but I may be wrong ! They are looking healthy ! Good job !

[nuggy]

widow more light more bud (well so ive read)u can get the e40 hangers for 8 pound odd on ebay if i were u i would slap that veg bulb in there with them also :)

peace out

nuggy :smokie:

[widowsmite]

Nice Nuggy i love northern lights! Best memory of toking i can remember. I laughed my ass off for an hour from half a jolly :D I have been thinking about the other bulb too, I think im going to leave it this time around. Then for the next grow crack it in! I have just got some black/white today and some mylar. I have rushed my cupboard so next time round should be mint! all reflective and light proof....with more light!
As for smell the carbon filter is doing a grand job. I cant even smell them to be honest!!! only when i touch them and then smell my hand but the air is clean as a whistle.
What light you using nuggy?
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[nuggy]

Im glad you have said that about ur CF as i have the same one from kitbag, im currently using a 200w red spectrum bulb (plug and grow), with 2 intake pc fans and the CF temps sit at 26 degrees so i shall be adding another 200w or a 125w later on in the grow will start a diary as soon as i sorted the balls out. :)

peace out

nuggy :smokie:

[widowsmite]

Bit of unfortunate news.....The weather has obviously been cold. Which ment my fan heater was on more to regulate at 20 *C and it as fried a lot of my plants. Id say 1/6 th of them has dried and died. This is my fault because i saw it coming so i have just placed an order for a 60w Tube heater.
They haven't made much progress either because of the stress. Fingers crossed for when the heater gets here.
Also just fed them 50ml / 12 litres of Canna flowering stuff. It said 50ml / 10 litres with fertile soil so i played it a little safe again.
I'll get some pics on tomorrow and show you the damage.
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[widowsmite]

Yo peeps! very sorry for the slack updates. Haven't had chance to get photos because of lack of camera and trying to be stealthy whilst taking pics....not worth the risk. But here are some things thats been going on in my grow...

Heating problems with the cold weather
I have a mini fan/heater for air movement and heating. Thing is it was too close to the plants an has fried a fair amount too be pissed off about. So i bought a 1ft tube heater. What a pile of shit in my opinion, I tried it for a night and in the morning the room was still cold (about 10*C) so i have strategically placed the fan heater above the light and hope this will solve the problem. Oil radiator is out of the equation because there simply isnt enough room.

Nute burn from flower nutes
Little bit on the tips of the leaves all the way up. Not drastic but enough to be annoyed with, especially with the rest thats gone wrong! So next feed will be half the strength (approx 25ml per 12 litres).

Lighting
The buds are not as good as i thought they would be for 5 weeks in. Most likely the stress and cold. Also the added bonus of the electrical extention tripped so no lights or heat for 24hours in 1*c temps! Next grow i have my mylar ready and getting another reflector so i can have both bulbs in for flowering. 200 blue and 250 red. Maybe even get another red if i can afford it.

Im annoyed of whats happend BUT its a learning curve and the next grow shall be alot better with a lot less mistakes. I have not give up on these babies just yet though! There still alive with bud....maybe fried from the fan and the nutes and were a bit chilly for a few days but i have faith!!!
Pics deffinately on Tuesday.
Also do you recon there is a chance of using a 250w HPS in there? I have an inline fan sucking through the Carbon Filter. Would i need another inline to get rid of the hot air too or would it be addequate? or use a splitter and have a pipe going to the bulb. But then thats only getting half the air filtered lol.
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[tripr]

hello m8 you wana try one of the big animal heatmats just under £20 an stick it under your plants for your cold nights it worked for me

[Verzulius]

you say you have 250 W right now..and do you know how many lummens? (K) from what i know this matters the most...on a 1 sq m it suposed to be about 2700K.in my case i have 3000K CFL now in flowering,i put 4 bulbs of 23w 1500 K each,i let them all during vegging and turned off 1 of them and cover another,that was the setup from the start,i couldnt modify it after :)..so i have some more light for that surface and it seemed to be alright so far.where do you have the settlement? in your room? does the temp lowers so bad? how low does it gets? i have mine in a one room appartment where no one stays right now..i usually let the cooker on a little in the evening as it is winter now..to warm up the place and then i turn it off and leave..so the nights are kinda cold but i dont think it can get that could to be trouble...never had the ocasion to check the temp over night as the lights are turning on at 7 AM and im sleeping :) ...i supose there are 15-16-17 C in the night and during the day about 22-23 C down on the pot and max 28 C at the top.how tall are they? and how tall is the settlement?you have a really nice settle there :),quite a space from what i can see in the pics,why dont you try and use at its max? :) you can cover it inside with something to reflect the light all over,alluminium foil or antything you can think of.i really wish you good luck there ;)

[jono1988]

you say you have 250 W right now..and do you know how many lummens? (K) from what i know this matters the most...on a 1 sq m it suposed to be about 2700K.in my case i have 3000K CFL now in flowering,i put 4 bulbs of 23w 1500 K each,i let them all during vegging and turned off 1 of them and cover another,that was the setup from the start,i couldnt modify it after :)..so i have some more light for that surface and it seemed to be alright so far.where do you have the settlement? in your room? does the temp lowers so bad? how low does it gets? i have mine in a one room appartment where no one stays right now..i usually let the cooker on a little in the evening as it is winter now..to warm up the place and then i turn it off and leave..so the nights are kinda cold but i dont think it can get that could to be trouble...never had the ocasion to check the temp over night as the lights are turning on at 7 AM and im sleeping :) ...i supose there are 15-16-17 C in the night and during the day about 22-23 C down on the pot and max 28 C at the top.how tall are they? and how tall is the settlement?you have a really nice settle there :),quite a space from what i can see in the pics,why dont you try and use at its max? :) you can cover it inside with something to reflect the light all over,alluminium foil or antything you can think of.i really wish you good luck there ;)

The lumen output of a 250w cfl is between 15000 and 19000 lumens i think. The 2700 what you said isnt the lumen output its the bulb spectrum, like 6400k blue spectrum is for vegging plants then 2700k red spectrum is for when you switch to 12/12 for flowering. By the way aluminium foil is no good, use white paint lol. if im wrong about aything someone please correct me, im just trying to help and straighten things out for Verzulius lol.

[widowsmite]

Right! im having an evening of care to my plants while its dark and no one is about. Might even put my mylar in. Will deffinatley have photos tonight. Been too risky over xmas with neighbours and family randomly turning up! You'll be able to gasp on how bad they look now :(
But!!! They are still alive!

Catch you about 1am
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[AllAboutM.E]

Right! im having an evening of care to my plants while its dark and no one is about. Might even put my mylar in. Will deffinatley have photos tonight. Been too risky over xmas with neighbours and family randomly turning up! You'll be able to gasp on how bad they look now :(
But!!! They are still alive!

Catch you about 1am
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Best of luck with it, hope you can nurse them to health mate.

[widowsmite]

BIG UPDATE!
Right here are my frazzled plants. All the light patches on the top of the leaves are heat burn. On the tips there is a slight amount of nute burn from the feed about 2 weeks ago. Just gave them a second feed a bit weaker to not make it worse and end up with a nute lockout. Maybe the last feed too i think because i dont think there is much longer left. Maybe 3 weeks? They look slightly limp on the photos but they were in need of a good drink. Spider mites are still knocking about but not as bad as they were. What else?............

Oh! Ive been mylar(ing) tonight, armed with a stanley knife, scissors and double sided tape. So now it looks nice and pretty and also tidy. Should give me slightly better lighting reflection too. I did run out though so ignore the right hand door! I'll pick some up again soon and finish it. Also stick some on the the floor too.

For the next grow I hopfully want my intake at the bottom to have my 100mm pc fan wired up to "push" more air in and help the grow. Also get either my 200w CFL in too so a total of 450 watts OR go and get a 250w HPS and use CFL for veg? We'll see.
Yeah and get rid of that shit plant-eater heater and get an oil radiator that fits.
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[born2toke]

looking good considering the nute burn will read your whole diary tomorrow after some sleep but loving the stealth space keep it up mate happy tokin

[dj #]

stop feeding them widowsmite, those plants have had more than enough extra nutes

[widowsmite]

Cheers Dj. No more now, just 6.5 ph water. Any rough idea how long is left?Born2toke have fun reading!
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[widowsmite]

Quick bud update really. They seem to have started producing a little frost now which is promising. The hairs are still mostly white though. I heard an easy way of telling for the chop is when most of the hairs have turned orange/brown aprox 70-30%. How good is that to go by? Sorry the close ups are from a camera phone. Will try for a proper camera with macro setting soon.
As for looking after, I haven't really had to do much! seem to be getting on better with mylar. Maybe a better insulator? Just gave them a big water on the last update with some nutes. Now on no more. just H20. Even though our water supplies put Fluoride in it to apparently reduce cavities in our teeth?......Even though its more toxic than lead and used in rat poison as the main ingredient. Thanks.
Well thats my rant over heres the pics.
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[nuggy]

widow they seem to be picking up again mate and a bit of bud porn to its all good yours will be done before mine let me know how the smoke is :smokie:

[bigmurphy]

stick a dehumidfier in there if you can soon lower to 50 % and get some more resin

[widowsmite]

Hey Bigmurphy, not a chance im affraid of a dehumidifier in there! i can only just close the door :D
I should really buy a meter and see but i cant really control humidity so if i get a reading and i cant do anything about it then i'll just get annoyed!

If i could get some of these in. How effective would it be?
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[Mr_Bimble]

I got something like that from Aldi and it worked a treat - I placed the unit infront of the inlet so it de-humidified air coming in and I managed to reduce mine by 15%

I was recycling some of the spent air back into the tent to keep temps up though.

[bigmurphy]

well they say 1L of absorb each i guess if you got a few and used them one by one for the last 10 days ,you would get like a 3-4% drop in humidity which is better then 1% .anything you can do to dry the air is good .

[widowsmite]

Well ive just won a 250watt HPS light/relfector and ballast off ebay for a total of £52 with postage (light was 40!.....Bargin!
So my next grow will be HPS!!! cant wait. Dont know weather to keep my CFLS for other projects and vegging as yet. Probably get a MH 250 bulb for veg instead of CFL.
YEY!
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[widowsmite]

Yo! My HPS still hasn't arrived, and the plants are now finishing their last week of flower but they still dont look 100% ready. I will get more pics later or tomorrow for you to have a look.
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[spliffy2007]

Hey widowsmite
Nice diary and plants, youre gona notice the difference with hps

Well Done!
Spliff^

[nuggy]

widow they looking good mate just a quick question how tall are they now?? im at 4 weeks and they 15 inch! lol

[widowsmite]

More pics, I need advice for when I chop! i personally think maybe a few more days up to a week left? Thats just going on the colour of the hairs from white to brown. Its been 10 weeks to the day of switching to flower.
As for size i put a bud bottle to get the scale. I'd say about nearly 2 ft?
you can see spider mites on the buds too :( For next time - Clean fresh soil, clean pots, and growroom! plus HPS....if i ever get it.
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[ViK]

Hi there Widowsmite, just read through the diary. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

I would say that those plants have got a few weeks yet... Don't chop too soon! Patience pays off at this stage.

Judging harvesting time by the colour of the hairs is not a good way of doing it. The best way is to look at the colour of the trichomes, for this you'll need a magnifying glass of some sort.

You see the little sacks that the hairs spring from? They are calyx's. When your bud is getting ripe, those skinny calyxs become fat and round. Your calyxs look skinny still. Plants under CFL's can take a little longer to finish compared to HPS.

[widowsmite]

Well i have just spent about 30mins writing conclusions on my grow so far and i clicked off the page!:furious:

I'll save it for next time now lol. but the main things i wanted to say were thanks very much to ViK with that advice, it was just what i wanted to know. I'll keep posting some bud pics every couple of days or so to see what you think.

Off topic - I have been very interested in diverse news and ongoings in the world and one of the things that has shocked me lately is the topic of Fluoride in our water. For people not wanting to watch or dont have the time here is a quick sentance of what its getting at - Fluoride is a poisonous to humans and it is the main ingrediant in rat poison.....
Open your mind folks.
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YouTube- Fluoride Deception Part 1

[widowsmite]

My HPS has come! Going to test it tonight and maybe put it in for the last week of my flowering. It's 250watts so how high do i need the bulb from the top of the plants without air blowing over the top of them?
Also its come with a timer that the guy used with it and i think its a proper durable one that you can use without a contactor. I'll put the spec of it on later tonight when ive wired it in.
The reflector is a bit bent but ive straightened it out as good as i can (no big deal i suppose).
Ideas and tips urgently needed!
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[Kazzzzt]

My HPS has come! Going to test it tonight and maybe put it in for the last week of my flowering. It's 250watts so how high do i need the bulb from the top of the plants without air blowing over the top of them?
Also its come with a timer that the guy used with it and i think its a proper durable one that you can use without a contactor. I'll put the spec of it on later tonight when ive wired it in.
The reflector is a bit bent but ive straightened it out as good as i can (no big deal i suppose).
Ideas and tips urgently needed!
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You will want it around 12" away from the plant but judge it with the back off your hand, place your hand on top of the plant, rule of thumb if after 30seconds it doesnt burn your hand then the plant will be just fine,

12" is just a guideline m8.

[TOC HPS]

Leaves look like you've been having a serious deficiency of some kind, possibly Mg? You're obviously at max nutes already judging by the leaf tips.
Maybe sprinkle a little lime around the tops and water it in with a solution of magnesium sulphate (1 teaspoon/gallon)

You mentioned getting an MH 250 bulb for veg? You'll need another ballast - you can't put a MH bulb into a ballast designed for HPS. Unless of course you bought a digital dual-function ballast, that is! Anyway not to worry. If you use the 250HPS for veg you will find it works just great for that, too.
Grow looks pretty good and I hope you get your HPS quickly, you'll get much more yield.

[widowsmite]

Dont think its any nutrient based problem mate to be honest. From the amount of spider mites knocking about they have sucked out a lot of juice from the leaves, plus nute burn and frazzled from the fan:(
Not too bothered now, ive come to terms that its my 1st grow and i have learnt soooo much.
As for MH thanks for that! i'll just veg with my 200w Cfl then....does the job.
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[widowsmite]

Right! i have pics but i cant find my lead for the pc! So anyway last night i decided to put up my HPS.......
1st thing that happend was as i was trying to put up the reflector it fell and lanced a stalk off my best plant....and the biggest bud lol! Not too worry i suppose. So i have trimmed it off and it is now hanging to dry.

2nd thing i realised was from when i put the timer to 12/12 i had actually put it to 13 light 11 dark :banghead: Now i know its only an hour but im sure this has not done me any favours. So i have now got the big ass industrial timer on 12/12 and hope the last week they ripen.

Not sure weather to take cuttings from these and try again? problems im thinking is spider mites. but also £30 for some more seeds! might leave it a month and ponder.

Pics as soon as i find the friggin lead.
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[Renagade4-20]

id take the cuttings pal,i mean spray the cutting that you will take,with suds,until there of the branch then take your cutting =)

[widowsmite]

Quick update,
Problem is with the HPS the photos are shit so i appologise. I have decided to not bother with cuttings from these because they are very unhealthy and i need sometime to sort out my vegging area and the flower-drobe, because i have used equipment for both. But now i can keep my CFL set up permanently and same with the HPS.
If my plants start deteriorating more after this week im just going to cut the lot and wait for the next grow from seed.
For anyone reading this and thinking about growing or in the same growing conditions im in heres what ive learnt;

Lighting - CFL's are fine for vegging, my plants grew lovely under the 200w blue bulb. As far as flowering goes though im not convinced. Even with all the things that went wrong with this grow you can still tell that they are simply not powerfull enough (for what i was expecting anyway). There is no penetration from say 5 inches down.

Growroom - Hygene! so overlooked from me, I thought the spider mites would die off eventually and that would be that.....NO! Them little fuckers are so stubborn even with pest killer. Clean grow room is a must. Also next time im going to add extra Co2 by using a container with yeast,water and sugar. Also use 10cm PC to get more fresh air in. And find some sort of heater that doesn't nuke half of my plants!

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/24012010153.jpg

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/24012010156.jpg

[Captain Scarlet]

This is their new home to be!
It's pretty much perfect. Cost me next to nothing from a second hand shop. In the next few weeks it will have;

- My 200watt CFL hanging in there with the mini fan/heater
-Two 12cm pc fans (in and outlets),
-Homemade carbon filter. (carbon pellets and tin can i think)
-Top compartment may be used as a seedling room eventually.
-Needs airproofing. Thinking of getting a tube of silicone for around the doors.
-Make the dark inside walls white like the rest

the dimentions are 33" wide x 22" deep x 72" tall....Pretty big!

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/Photo0364.jpg

That ain't a million miles away from what I've got matey, mines just built in (as in part of the room) & it works fine, I've got a couple of albums in the gallery if ya wanna take a peek at what I've grown in mine:joint: you've made a good choice there fella:cool:

[nuggy]

Quick update,
Problem is with the HPS the photos are shit so i appologise. I have decided to not bother with cuttings from these because they are very unhealthy and i need sometime to sort out my vegging area and the flower-drobe, because i have used equipment for both. But now i can keep my CFL set up permanently and same with the HPS.
If my plants start deteriorating more after this week im just going to cut the lot and wait for the next grow from seed.
For anyone reading this and thinking about growing or in the same growing conditions im in heres what ive learnt;

Lighting - CFL's are fine for vegging, my plants grew lovely under the 200w blue bulb. As far as flowering goes though im not convinced. Even with all the things that went wrong with this grow you can still tell that they are simply not powerfull enough (for what i was expecting anyway). There is no penetration from say 5 inches down.

Growroom - Hygene! so overlooked from me, I thought the spider mites would die off eventually and that would be that.....NO! Them little fuckers are so stubborn even with pest killer. Clean grow room is a must. Also next time im going to add extra Co2 by using a container with yeast,water and sugar. Also use 10cm PC to get more fresh air in. And find some sort of heater that doesn't nuke half of my plants!

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/24012010153.jpg

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww29/brady666/24012010156.jpg

Dont be to disapointed pal remember its your first grow and you gotta allow for error :D it was all going so well until christmas time when you couldnt get in to them, make sure you put up another diary for your next grow would like to see how you improve your room and get a good cycle going :)

peace out

nuggy :smokie:

[widowsmite]

Cheers for the advice and the good spirit lads! its nice to hear! Just been out to check them and they seem to have picked up a bit under the HPS, even in two days they have become more frosty and fatter.
Its good to have the extra heat from the bulb so the fan doesn't have to kick in nowhere near as much.
Im not running my extractor btw. its been off for about 2 months to preserve heat into the drobe and keep the fan off. I know this aint good air circulation but i have to compromise. Plus the smell has been fine (suprised!) Also in the last pic they were in need for a big watering so thats why they look limp.
They have had no more feed either.
Thanks for lookin in and for the advice.
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[widowsmite]

Right bit of advice for the next grow.....I have been thinking of trying doing SOG with some fem lowryders or going for 2 or 3 pants again with something sweetish with a good yield? Fancy something fruity and sweet like Strawberry cough or Blueberry?
Anyone got any ideas?
Oh i dried the bud that i cut off accidently by the reflector and quick dried it on the radiator last night.
Verdict on pre ripe bud - Not very tasty but not a bad taste. More like a grassy earthy taste? Bit of a creeper, not too heavy but ive just eaten beef stroganoff with mash and peas, followed by two cream buns and some nacho tortilla chips with dip. Also some red grapes and now thinking of the double choc ice cream in the freezer and making some pancakes!
Gonna harvest monday maybe....If i do it tonight i'll end up eating them!
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[widowsmite]

Just had a belgian milkshake and a bar of swiss chocolate.....when is it going to stop!?!?

[Gary C]

well your just a fat bastard really mate :beerbelly::bigjoint:

[jono1988]

Whats the temps like in there mate with that 250w hps? because im thinking about getting one.

[widowsmite]

Hey jono! Them temps are fine mate! bear in mind its outside but i have no extraction running and the heater is still kicking in so i would say without the heater it would be running about 20*C at the tops of the buds and probly 15 at the soil level? very suprised to be honest. Nowhere near as hot as you hear. The bulb is about a foot away and isnt a problem....maybe could get them a couple inches closer? I am convinced with HPS mate. A grand buy.
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[jono1988]

Hey jono! Them temps are fine mate! bear in mind its outside but i have no extraction running and the heater is still kicking in so i would say without the heater it would be running about 20*C at the tops of the buds and probly 15 at the soil level? very suprised to be honest. Nowhere near as hot as you hear. The bulb is about a foot away and isnt a problem....maybe could get them a couple inches closer? I am convinced with HPS mate. A grand buy.
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Cheerz mate, im looking to get a 250w hps for my next grow, well when i can be assed to make my space bigger anyway and when the pennys start rolling in lol.

[widowsmite]

Well my 1st grow has come to an end folks, all cropped today and out to dry. I would of took a photo but i have had to give them to a friend to dry because of a visit to the house so unfortunatly no photos :(
Ive been told it will be approx an Oz for all 3 plants. If you imagine two wire coat hangers i filled them both with hanging buds 7-10 inches long. Not great size wise but there is a 100 things i need to do differently for next time.
Thanks to everyone who has been interested in my diary and for the people who have helped me through it!

Well it gets me stoned and i didn't have to pay some rip off mug for it and i have had fun!
Next time i will be getting some more cuttings of a different strain
Hps from start to finish (tighter nodes)
Scrog again
Better soil
Yeast, sugar & water for Co2
Cleaner grow room & Pc fan intake and finally sort out the carbon filter!
Find some kind of good heater
Get my proper camera back for updates

Cya all soon
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[maxpower]

yeast sugar and water for co2, never heard of that being done before?

[widowsmite]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CO2-GENERATION-KIT-14-49-FREE-POSTAGE_W0QQitemZ370329784133QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN?hash=item56 39600f45

There u go mate. Same principle.

Looking at another grow soon. Either Mystical Mix, F1 Molena or some cuttings if im lucky :D
Anyone grown F1 before?
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[spliffy2007]

Hi widowsmite :)

When you racking up the next grow?

Spliff^

[widowsmite]

Yo spliffy! Hopefully in the next couple of weeks :D
I still have a bit of prep to do though with the grow room;
hook up my 10cm inlet fan,
get the carbon filter in the right place,
Blackout the light cracks,
find a decent heater?,
get soil, plantpots, and either some seeds or cuttings?

I recently read about when having the grow room in flower, make sure there is no light what so ever. But i had a big LED on the fan plus two big square LEDs on the 4way adaptor. Would this of significantly reduced the crop in strength or yeild?
Also not sure whether or not to veg under my 200w blue or try it with the HPS? and go for 2 plants 3 or 4? Obviously less vegging for 4 plants.
What you think peeps?
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