temple ball?

[cookiewise]

hi im going til the dam next month and was woundering does anyone know where i can get temple ball?
i heard it can be rare enuf even in amsterdam but if anyone whos been lately cud help me out it wud be greatly appreiated! thanks

[ScouseSkunkSmoker]

Hunters Coffeeshop, on Warmoesstraat had a good example of temple ball when I was there a few weeks ago.... think it was 12e per gram, and Stix coffeeshop almost always has some nice examples of hash, including temple ball and other soft hashes when I've been there the past few occasions

[cookiewise]

thanks gona hit hunters and c wat they have on offer cant wait less than month and il be there blazin up the best gear on the planet!:)

[Fred888]

thanks gona hit hunters and c wat they have on offer cant wait less than month and il be there blazin up the best gear on the planet!:)

I was there a year ago and saw some hash for about £100, 75% thc apparently. Can't remember which one but it was in the central area somewhere. Bit pricey for me to try really. As for the quality of Dam grass, it's ok, but you can grow as good if not better yourself. All you need is dedication..yeah! dedication, dedication is what you need. Lah lah lahhh.

[Percy Grower]

This is ripped from another forum, I found it quite an interesting read.....

In Amsterdam's famous coffeeshops besides the usual fresh marijuana, a variety of hashishes are also sold over the counter. There are many different types of hash from various parts of the world. One type in particular, the legendary black hashish, has a rather dubious reputation. The reason is that the hash is often adulterated or contaminated with non-cannabis products. One of these adulterants, opium, sometimes gets mixed in to soften it up and improve the quality.

Black opiated hashish is sometimes sold in Amsterdam under various names including any kind of "cream", "indian", "manali", "trans-himalayan", "nepalese", etc. Since the Afghan war, it seems Amsterdam is awash in hashish with much higher opium content (than usual), and most coffeeshops seem to have no qualms passing this same heavily adulterated hashish as just about whatever black hash you might choose.

The switcheroo on types of hash and grass is an old trick among coffeeshops, since they can never be sure what it is they're selling anyway, much less be certain of what adulterants it might contain. So when they tell you it's manali cream or afghani or whatever, it's probably just whatever they got in that day. More reputable coffeeshops will try to verify the source and keep the names straight, but I doubt if most really pay that much attention. Today it seems, profit is all that matters to many a greedy coffeeshop owner.

You should realize that opium has often been added to hashish from certain regions in Afghanistan and other regions in South Asia. So it's nothing new. Other adulterants also find their way into lower quality hashish. In fact most of the black hash I've tried over the past few years tasted so bad, thanks to adulterants or contaminants, that I gave up smoking it competely in favor of the much purer Moroccan hashish or the local Nederhash/bubble/isolater (all of which I recommend to anyone who likes hashish).

Unless you WANT to smoke opium, I highly suggest you avoid the black hashes. Why? Because unlike hashish it's addictive! Oh you can smoke a couple of bowls, one time, and not feel like you want more. But if you were to smoke it several days straight, and in good quantity, you will learn fast what REAL addiction is like. It won't be terrible to get off, but you won't enjoy it. It's not like heroin withdrawal, but it has many of the same symptoms but to a lesser degree.

In fact in one coffeeshop the dealer actually told me, "You'll crash after smoking that." I knew right then it was heavily opiated. Because no pure cannabis product will make you "crash".

So be suspicious of ANY black hash that is overly soft and pliable. If it smokes smooth, even a big toke, it probably means there's more opium than hashish in it. Opium isn't harsh like hashish, and usually once lit will stay lighted or even hold a flame (some good hashish does this too). But since you're likely to be smoking a blend it's more difficult to be sure.

With hashish you can usually smoke a fair amount at which point you hit a plateau and smoking more won't get you more stoned, at least you won't feel more stoned. With opium, the MORE you smoke, the HIGHER you get. You don't hit a plateau. Of course you can only smoke so much before you just pass into a dream state, and slow down. The high itself is qualitatively different, but difficult to discern since you're also high on whatever hashish they felt like adding.

With opium you crash. Opium doesn't keep you high as long as hashish does. That's why opium addicts keep smoking all day, and why junkies need several fixes everyday. Good hashish will keep you high and let you down gently. With opium if you stop smoking after a long stretch, you'll go through withdrawals and they won't be pleasant. Depression, body aches, bad disposition are just some of the more noticeable symptoms. Another sure sign you have opium in your system is a lot of itching and scratching. Junkies do this all the time.

I believe that the usual opium content of those types of hash long associated with opium adulteration was always a much smaller percentage than we're now seeing in the coffeeshops. I'd say some of the hash now being sold is as much as 50% or more opium. BTW, opium IS illegal in Holland, and the coffeeshops are forbidden to sell it. But as it is purchased as "hashish" through the Dutch "backdoor" system, (which is NOT regulated), nobody seems to care. This is a major drawback, and a potential health danger being ignored by the Dutch coffeeshops and the police.

The tourists are not as much at risk as are the Dutch themselves since the tourists won't be here long enough to develop a heavy addiction. However the Dutch seem to prefer these black hashes to roll with tobacco in their joints. I strongly feel that someone, either the coffeeshops, the police or the government or one of the drug testing agencies should be testing samples to determine how much opium is in them and then decide whether it's enough of a problem to pose a health risk. If so, it might be up to the coffeeshops themselves to start refusing to buy this heavily adulterated hash, as they are also at risk of being accused of selling opium, and losing their licenses.

Hashish and Opium are two completely different things (esp. legally), and people should know what they are purchasing. I hope this is just a temporary situation and once opium becomes less abundant, hashish won't be so heavy with it.

The Dutch probably won't like what I've just written, or won't care, but it needed to be said. I don't want this scene to be spoiled by some greedy drug cartels in South Asia.

[bergkamp]

seen that posted before about the opium - personally i dont believe it . usually when i go to the dam i smoke only the hash and its fucking great , i prefer it to the weed out there - dont be put off by these rumours the temple balls are the nuts and worth every penny .

[Percy Grower]

seen that posted before about the opium - personally i dont believe it . usually when i go to the dam i smoke only the hash and its fucking great , i prefer it to the weed out there - dont be put off by these rumours the temple balls are the nuts and worth every penny .

Hi bergkamp

I don't travel to Amsterdam any where near enough to be able to make an informed opinion, last time I went Temple Ball was 15 Guilder a gram :) and I agree, well worth the money.
Like I said, I just found it an interesting read and relevent to thread.

[notmadeup]

Call me Cpt Obvious, but opium is vastly more expensive than hash. So according to this, a comparatively cheap product is mixed with a much more expensive product and sold for the much lower price?

I, like the original author, don't what they're smoking. I want some though.

[Percy Grower]

Call me Cpt Obvious, but opium is vastly more expensive than hash.


In this country yes, not sure the same can be said for Afghanistan though, opium takes a lot less processing than hash, so at source it's likely to be cheaper. By adding a small amount of opium they make a product much more sellable in the west, because they can label it Zero Zero, Temple Ball, Caramello, whatever they like and sell it to unsuspecting tourists. One would have thought the majority of coffee bars wouldn't be too concerned about the authenticity of the black they sell, just as long as it sells, people keep coming back for more and they make a profit.

[Roid-smoker]

In this country yes, not sure the same can be said for Afghanistan though, opium takes a lot less processing than hash, so at source it's likely to be cheaper. By adding a small amount of opium they make a product much more sellable in the west, because they can label it Zero Zero, Temple Ball, Caramello, whatever they like and sell it to unsuspecting tourists.

The harvesting of opium takes alot of time. You don't get big amonts from one plant. even if you have a field, it takes time to harvest a reasonable amount of it.
Hash is already sellable in the west, so if you have large amounts of it like they do in afghanistan it wouldn't make sense to cut it with another product that is very sellable in its own pure form. The majority of the usergroup doesn't want a opium cut product, so if you have the oppurtunity to offer a clean product, why cut it? Because the cut cant amount to that much more income down there ! This is the same as the old "laced with heroin" myth, just in another wrapping!

And opium tastes HARSH not "sweet" like hash. if it was a 50/50 cut u would know if you knew just a little bit about how hash is supposed to taste!

[The Lost Soul]

About 10yrs ago a guy I know came back from India with alot of cashmere black.
I bought a bit with the lads and went up to ma mates to smoke it.
Honestly the strongest hash i've ever smoked to this day, it knocked the fuckin heid clean off you, narcotic like.
Went to a club to club that night and a few more joints later. People were coming up to me asking what i'd taken and if I could get them pills....... I was just stoned.
I know for a fact that there was no opium in that hash, it was just absolutely primo.
After 11 visits to the Dam i've still never come across anything like it in any coffeeshop i've been to.
It's nonsense like the above that gives Amsterdam a bad name and only serves to give the government/media more ammunition as they'll believe anything that puts weed down.

[notmadeup]

The harvesting of opium takes alot of time. You don't get big amonts from one plant. even if you have a field, it takes time to harvest a reasonable amount of it.
Hash is already sellable in the west, so if you have large amounts of it like they do in afghanistan it wouldn't make sense to cut it with another product that is very sellable in its own pure form. The majority of the usergroup doesn't want a opium cut product, so if you have the oppurtunity to offer a clean product, why cut it? Because the cut cant amount to that much more income down there ! This is the same as the old "laced with heroin" myth, just in another wrapping!

And opium tastes HARSH not "sweet" like hash. if it was a 50/50 cut u would know if you knew just a little bit about how hash is supposed to taste!

I doubt it amounts to any kind of extra income, demand for opium to fuel the heroin industry out strips demand, it surely equals a loss of earnings. The other variant of the great myth, much repeated, is "smack wiped" hash. Heroin costs vastly more than hash, even if it's very low purity, in which case the amount transferred would be minuscule. Most of the rest of the components of low grade heroin could be added much more economically, by placing it unwrapped on the floor of a particularly grotty bookies floor and kicking it around for 5 mins.

[Roid-smoker]

About 10yrs ago a guy I know came back from India with alot of cashmere black.
I bought a bit with the lads and went up to ma mates to smoke it.
Honestly the strongest hash i've ever smoked to this day, it knocked the fuckin heid clean off you, narcotic like.
Went to a club to club that night and a few more joints later. People were coming up to me asking what i'd taken and if I could get them pills....... I was just stoned.
I know for a fact that there was no opium in that hash, it was just absolutely primo.
After 11 visits to the Dam i've still never come across anything like it in any coffeeshop i've been to.
It's nonsense like the above that gives Amsterdam a bad name and only serves to give the government/media more ammunition as they'll believe anything that puts weed down.

The black kashmere is great! Haven't seen it in ten years though, but i hope i will sometime! Even though i know its a hype thing i would LOVE to sample the WHITE kashmere!