Cannabis is now a gateway to gun crime!

[Mum]

You really couldn't make this shit up:

A teenager has been jailed for three years after his father told police he had found bullets in his son's bedroom.

In a statement to the court, Mr Metcalfe said he believed his son had fallen into the wrong circle after becoming involved in the drug sub-culture as a cannabis user.

Judge Cornwall said cannabis may have "acted as a gateway from the respectable world your parents intended to the foul and dangerous world of drugs".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7465414.stm

Right, now I'm off to smoke a joint, buy a gun and put a bullet through my skull so I don't have to read any more of this horse shit in the media.
Adios amigos! :mr:

[Cha-Cha Chong]

Oh yeah blame ganja for it, of course he would'nt have ever even dreamed of owning a gun until he had just one puff on that dreadfully powerful skunk!!!

Why can't people just do wrong of their own accord anymore........there always has to be an excuse for it!! These days it always seems to be ganja's fault!! GGGGGRRRRRRRRR!!!!!


PS - don't do it Mum!!!!!

[Guerilla]

To be fair, I am mixing with people I never would have done so if I didnt smoke. I could probably find a gun much quicker now than I could a few years back when I didnt.

[dekay]

Pardon me! BUT Get out of it!, you are exposed to more of life as you get older (called experience) not because you smoke pot or anybody else smokes pot, you may end up in the wrong place at the wrong time because you were going to score but in the same way you could be in a nightclub as a non user and end up shot, cannabis is not a gateway to anywhere other than stoned immaculate. (argh couldnt resist that line)
PEACE MAN

dekay.

[yousmokefool]

All i can say is, they have us over a barrel untill the laws are changed.:banghead:

[dekay]

Do the laws affect us?, I been smoking fer 21 years now, a grower mate just dropped of a mixture of MK, WW, LR2, wow i so stoned, n I smoked it, now I gonna put Pink Floyd live in Pompei on (awesome gig).
Laws r just BS, we all know we should not hurt or steal from others, some do it!
deekay.

p.s woohoo penalties

[Strider]

I caught that bit live on BBC when they said it, even the reporter had the decency to sound a bit shify when he read it, when they interviewed his dad after the sentance 'drugs' were only mentioned in passing and didnt really seem to be a topic

Its a really cheap shot but I don't even think most Daily Mail readers will buy that one

Its not like he even used, let aloine TOUCHED the gun himself

[D]

To be fair, I am mixing with people I never would have done so if I didnt smoke. I could probably find a gun much quicker now than I could a few years back when I didnt.

You can find a gun easier now because gun crime has risen, it has nothing to do with weed.

[ellomate]

Being able to find a gun through dealers/smokers = a problem with prohibition, not with cannabis. :(

[Funky Green*]

Cannabis is going to be the cause of global warming next for fucks sake!

[dekay]

LMFAO.:owned:

[yavana]

Cannabis is my gateway to good times.

[supertoke]

Right.....(long toke).....now, were did I put my AK47 ???

[Guerilla]

Pardon me! BUT Get out of it!, you are exposed to more of life as you get older (called experience) not because you smoke pot or anybody else smokes pot, you may end up in the wrong place at the wrong time because you were going to score but in the same way you could be in a nightclub as a non user and end up shot, cannabis is not a gateway to anywhere other than stoned immaculate. (argh couldnt resist that line)
PEACE MAN

dekay.

Before I started smoking 5 years ago, I wouldnt have even gone down some of the streets that I do now nevermind mix with the people down those streets, and its because of weed that now I do. Im not saying your more likely to get shot cos you smoke, im saying I would find it easier to find a gun from someone now. Someone close to me minded a gun for their weed dealer a couple of years ago so yeah weed was the cause of him being exposed to a gun, if he didnt smoke, he wouldnt have been close enough to this guy to mind it for him.

Im not ripping weed, I love it and think it should be legalised to stop this kinda thing.

[Cha-Cha Chong]

Ha ha ha yeah I forgot it was lethal LOL!!! :D

[Guerilla]

So stop smoking or grow your own ... Drugs of any description could only be a gateway to other crimes because those arseholes in government force non growers to buy from the dealers.

If it was legalised i reckon a lot of crime would either be reduced or even disappear.

I wasnt complaining about it, i just partially agree with the statement, it just depends on the person on whether they want to carry on further down that path. i woulnt ever dream of trying anymore drugs or committing crime but i know a lot of people who would. on a couple of forums i have seen people who start on weed then a few months later they are saying they are thinking of doing smack. its all about the choices the individual takes.

As much as you put a rosey glow on weed cos you havnt had bad experiences with it, it can cause shit for other people, including getting too mixed up in the wrong crowd and minding guns like this lad had.

[Mum]

Cannabis didn't cause that, prohibition did. There's a very important distinction to be made there.
Would he have been mixing with the 'wrong crowd' and 'minding guns' if he'd bought his cannabis from a regulated retailer?
Me thinks not. :joint:

[dekay]

it just depends on the person on whether they want to carry on further down that path.What path? you make it sound like if u smoke pot it leads somewhere other than being stoned, my dealer is a respectable citizen (in my eyes, he grows a bit) wi a job n kids n he been selling to me for 20 odd years.

dekay.

[Intergalactic Pot Head]

No ones ever been normal after smoking cannabis- ever read in the paper of a cannabis smoker who didnt cause society any problems? nope lol

[Monty Bong]

I can understand what Guerilla is saying.

Before I started growing I had been buying draw off dealers since 1985, quite often if my reguler supplier was dry I would find myself in individuals houses that I normally wouldn't be in unless I was trying to score. I've seen very large quantities of class a's, guns and christ knows what else.
When 1990 came along who did I buy my Jack n Jills from? Not my reguler dealer, the dealer who I new was selling class A's, had I wanted to buy a gun at the time, I new exactly where I could get one.
So yes, certainly in my case buying cannabis was linked to my first exposure to class a's and gun crime and while it remains illegal, I think it always will be.

[Monty Bong]

Couldn't agree more mate, legalize it and the problem is elliminated.

But I think thats the original point that Guerilla was making.

[Manny]

End of the day nobody forces class As on to anybody or a gun,certain individuals are predisposed to violence & addictions that fuck up their lives & those around them..

[Monty Bong]

End of the day nobody forces class As on to anybody or a gun,certain individuals are predisposed to violence & addictions that fuck up their lives & those around them..


Thats true, but we are talking about young people here. Dealers can be very perswasive. The same dealer that sells them draw will tell them that if they do E's they'll have the best night and be able to shag for ages, If they do charlie they'll feel really confident and not get pissed after 2 pints. I hope when my kids start experimenting with draw, they nick it out of my stash, because I don't want them round some scumbags house the will sell the H, or crack just as readily as they would sell them draw. The fact is, young people buying cannabis from dealers will more often than not be exposed to other drugs and sometimes guns.

[Monty Bong]

To be fair, I am mixing with people I never would have done so if I didnt smoke. I could probably find a gun much quicker now than I could a few years back when I didnt.


Before I started smoking 5 years ago, I wouldnt have even gone down some of the streets that I do now nevermind mix with the people down those streets, and its because of weed that now I do. Im not saying your more likely to get shot cos you smoke, im saying I would find it easier to find a gun from someone now. Someone close to me minded a gun for their weed dealer a couple of years ago so yeah weed was the cause of him being exposed to a gun, if he didnt smoke, he wouldnt have been close enough to this guy to mind it for him.

Im not ripping weed, I love it and think it should be legalised to stop this kinda thing.


I wasnt complaining about it, i just partially agree with the statement, it just depends on the person on whether they want to carry on further down that path. i woulnt ever dream of trying anymore drugs or committing crime but i know a lot of people who would. on a couple of forums i have seen people who start on weed then a few months later they are saying they are thinking of doing smack. its all about the choices the individual takes.

As much as you put a rosey glow on weed cos you havnt had bad experiences with it, it can cause shit for other people, including getting too mixed up in the wrong crowd and minding guns like this lad had.


That's not how i read it hence my response ..


I think he's made quit quite clear. If he didn't smoke cannabis he wouldn't find himself associating with criminals to buy it. The reason, because its illegal. I think he's been shot down in flames for saying it.

Hence my response.

[bubbs]

i thought i would stick my nose in here, i have been smoking for 15 years, and have know a fair few dealers in my time, (i was a very wayward teen ;))they have never tried to push other drugs on me, but i knew they sold class A's, i could readily obtain them from the dealers, but i could also get my mates to get whatever i wanted too, i do think that smoking weed could lead to other drug's but it does depend on the individual. im not sure that the legalisation would stop dealers, look when you go to amsterdam, whispers "charlie, E's, everything there still pushed, but i suppose it would reduce the amount of hard core dealers on the streets

[Monty Bong]

Hi Bubbs

To be honest I think we are all singing off the same hyme sheet, but I think Guerilla was misinterpreted.

[Monty Bong]

For starters no one's been shot down in flames but as you insist on continuing ...

Okay, maybe shot down in flames was a bit strong, but every post that quoted Guerilla was in complete dissagrement and I think he had a fair point.

Yes I will insist on continuing as this is a forum for debate, well at least I hope it is..... just because a mod has a difference of opinion to me, am I supposed to stop debating on the subject?

your first post to me was started with..

'well thats exactly the point isn't it???'

If that's not supposed prompt a rise from me then I don't know what is?



Now that all said, i think we all agree weed is not the problem, the law is ..

I agree.

[Monty Bong]

I thought I was debating with an adult until I read....



and finally : Why so keen to defend guerilla, are you lovers or summink ?? ..

..


lol No worries mate, you'll hear nothing more from me on this subject.

[Guerilla]

At least someone understands what I am trying to say. I do agree that everything I said was disagreed with, its made me quite fustrated trying to get my point across in a way that you may open your mind a little and see what I am trying to say. Im not going to explain myself anymore, cos if one person understands me I know that its not my skills at getting the point across its the person reading it.

So right now I am going to smoke some of the ounce I have just brought from the dealer who could supply me with a gun if I want it, from the street I only go down to pick up. :joint:

[dekay]

dealer who could supply me with a gun if I want it, from the street I only go down to pick up.
Man u should pick the people you deal wi a bit better but then its YOUR choice to go these places fer weed when there are other CHOICES fer smoking without adding cash to people like that who might buy another gun now wi yer money.

dekay.:p

[dekay]

You might have been understood mate but on the other hand you agreed weed was a gateway to gun crime and it very clearly is not, because you are exposed to something does not mean you have to do it at end of day, n even more so the fact u score from bad people doesnt mean, you now being exposed to bad people means you are more likely to become a bad person, does it? You say you would nt normally go to that area where obviously they only have a certain amount of money so really being poor is gateway to gun crime, or beer, or cigarettes, maybe tracky bottoms.

dekay.

[torky123]

Getting stoned makes me shoot people..

[CheeseGreen]

No ones ever been normal after smoking cannabis- ever read in the paper of a cannabis smoker who didnt cause society any problems? nope lol

There are SO MANY things wrong with that statement it has led me to believe you MUST be a moron or (hopefully) joking.

Did nobody else even see this?

I wish i'd seen this post earlier. I really cant be arsed to add my 2 cents now though it would probably take an essay.

[CheeseGreen]

Getting stoned makes me shoot people..

lol. Now i know that's a joke :D :D :D

[Manny]

I once stood on the bonnet of a car on the M1 with my trousers at my ankles pissing on the windscreen to defrost it ( was snowing heavily & the heater was fucked:thefinger:),I was stoned at the time so does that mean that I am now officially a flasher because of cannabis use:confused::laugh:

[Wellstoned]

Cannabis is a gateway drug to my COUCH!

All welcome :D

[ViK]

Lol, and it's a gateway to the fridge :)

[D]

Guns don't kill people, bullets do!

[tokers_united]

It's scary to think that those words came from the Judge's mouth. I.e. someone who is qualified to effectively make or break people's lives on a regular basis.

It's scary for so many reasons.

[Wellstoned]

Don't be too surprised. I remember a few years back a judge who had to bew taken to a fair to be shown what a bouncy fecking castle was!

[Bitterfly]

Don't be too surprised. I remember a few years back a judge who had to bew taken to a fair to be shown what a bouncy fecking castle was!

haha wtf! thats nuts

[tokers_united]

even though it sounds like a joke, its actually more plausable that cannabis is a bigger gateway to the following:

the fridge
chocolate
good times
terrible films
cartoons
the couch
computer games
inspiration to compose music, but never making it to the ten track recorder

[Opiate]

hahaha word, can't wait to get off work smoke a blunt and jam out....

I don't know what the gun situation is like in the UK but bullets are illegal? n what type of dad would deliberately get his son jailtime..

[Nephilim]

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." - Mark Twain. As true today as it was over 100 years ago, clearly.

[Couchlocked]

"If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed." - Mark Twain. As true today as it was over 100 years ago, clearly.

I think the same can be said about all main stream news now be it paper, tv or web.

Quality post tho mate ;)

[Monty Bong]

The irony in my case is now the bastads have taken my plants and weed I want to go and buy a gun and shoot the shit that grassed me up. :kill:

So head line could read......

Lack of cannabis is gateway to gun crime for Monty Bong. :)

[PTB]

Lack of cannabis is gateway to gun crime for Monty Bong. :)

haha i like it monty. I like it.