hydro or soil?

[dapperdan2]

hi, what would you say ,using a wilma system and using cocco is hydro or soil?

[Strider]

of the two id say 'Hydro' as hydro, like coco, needs all nutrients supplied to it and isnt a complete grow media in itself, wheras soil/compost has most of this stuff basically built in,

i don't know too much about coco though, but i get the impression it would be a 3rd option in itself, so soil, hydro OR coco,

[babybud3232]

Hi ya... I'm a soil grower who's switching to "passive hydro" coco, so its hydro of sorts . Coco is like soil but with no nutes in it "imo" from what i've seen you get better yields from coco over soil for a little bit more work

[Grandad]

hydro....i've just got 28 ounces from 2 plants in modified aqua farms....1st attempt at it too!
http://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2264/IMG_1965_-_Copy_Copy_.JPG (http://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/90636/title/img-1965copy-copy-/cat/2264)

[carnagerider]

Defo hydro, coco is a hydroponic medium, I.e. Inert.

the advantage of coco over rockwool is it doesn't dry out as quick, so it can tolerate running dry if you have a failure somewhere

[The Fringe]

Hydro.....'cos coco 'ain't a soil, simples. ;)

TF

[Strider]

its not water either, stoopid meercat! :P

[The Fringe]

its not water either, stoopid meercat! :P

Neither is perlite, hydro leca, rock wool or any other medium that just supports a plants weight & can retain moisture, yet these are clearly hydro products in the main.

So I still say that coco should be treated as a hydro grow.

I class a soil as summat that you can plant in, & not worry about feeding until the plant is established.
If you plant a cutting in soil, & add nothing, it would survive a fair while, put one in coco & do the same, the plant wont last as long.

TF

[wert]

coco is a soiless medium that can be hand watered [passive hydro] or used as a medium to support plants in a hydro system or can be mixed with soil .
true hydro is when the roots are suspended in nutrient/oxygen rich h2o.but we call other things hydro aswell nowadays.

[Diddydon]

hydro....i've just got 28 ounces from 2 plants in modified aqua farms....1st attempt at it too!
http://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2264/IMG_1965_-_Copy_Copy_.JPG (http://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/90636/title/img-1965copy-copy-/cat/2264)

fuck me m8....... that is some biaatch! :)

[jCarter]

Anybody use just pebble in flood and drain? Which gives better results? Coco or Clay pebbles, I'm thinking about switching to clay pebbles, as I had some creatures in my cana pro coco, what I didn't like at all.

Long John; what length of veg did you grow those? What lighting did u use for veg and flower?, and what size tent did u use?

Safe Carter

[carnagerider]

true hydro is when the roots are suspended in nutrient/oxygen rich h2o.but we call other things hydro aswell nowadays.

not sure I agree here wert mate. I'm sure hydro came about originally for growing in sand in the middle east, using constant running water and feed. What you seem to talking about is aeroponics, which is a lot younger.

[Grandad]

Long John; what length of veg did you grow those? What lighting did u use for veg and flower?, and what size tent did u use?

Safe Carter

they had a 5 week veg under 90w led then 400 mh and flowered under 400hps. my "tent" is a 13ft x 5'6 room at the back of the garage
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[wert]

What you seem to talking about is aeroponics, which is a lot younger.

Aeroponics is when the roots are misted or sprayed with nutrient rich water.
As i said earlier using any soiless medium is called hydroponics but the water is not doing all the work.you rely on the capiliary action of the medium and the roots are in the medium.
Nft and dwc have a small amount of maybe clay balls to support the plant but the roots are free to grow without the need for support with any kind of medium other than water .they are either washed over with nutrient/o2 rich water or are immersed in water/nutes that are aerated by a pump.
I suppose it is one of those words/terms that different people interpret in a different way........the above is mine ,i have searched for a definitive answer to the question but it seems we all have our own.

[carnagerider]

@wert, I suppose ur right, dwc has always been difficult for me to categorise because it's conventional hydro in reverse, instead sitting in air flooding with feed it's the opposite.

I think it's research time again.

[Woody J]

The word "hydroponics" means water working.
So, if using a Wilma with drippers, it is a hydro setup regardless of medium.
With aquaponics, aeroponics, DWC & variants, NFT, IWS, flood & drain & variants there are lots of methods to choose from but the defining feature for me is "nutrient rich solution" which marks out a hydro grow as a hydro grow. Yes, I know when you water plants in soil, you use a nute rich solution but you dont have to. Ferts can be sprinkled in powder form or things like bonemeal, chicken shit, bat guano can all be used, which you would not use in a true hydro setup.
So going back to water working, I gues it is the water that is doing the work, not the medium, which is the opposite in soil.
W

[wert]

it is a bit of a brain teaser woody.
how about when you feed in soil with chemical nutes that kills all the micro life and negates the need for the plant to live off the soil as it is being fed directly............is it a soily hydro ?

[Icon]

Heres a hybrid for you....they start in soil then into nft trays to get all water and nutes...http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?58020-Icons-NFT-Hybrid&p=1068938650#post1068938650

[dapperdan2]

i love to get a good debate going..ha ha

[Icon]

theres no debate its coco is hydro endof

[dapperdan2]

ooooooo dear

[Icon]

Sup u lose a bet over this????

[Woody J]

when you feed in soil with chemical nutes that kills all the micro life and negates the need for the plant to live off the soil as it is being fed directly............is it a soily hydro ?

Stop now Wert, you are making my head hurt!
I would say if the soil contains no nutrition in itself, it is technically a hydro setup. I suppose that would throw into question ph. Would you ph such a setup in hydro or soil ranges? Mad innit!

Speaking of ph, thats another factor for coco being hydro, its ph range is hydro and unlike soil it also has to have nutrients every feed.
W

[wert]

coco is definately hydro be it passive or full on hydro.
but.............coco ph is more or less in the middle of dwc and soil...........:confused::stoned-smilie:

[Denzil]

not sure I agree here wert mate. I'm sure hydro came about originally for growing in sand in the middle east, using constant running water and feed. What you seem to talking about is aeroponics, which is a lot younger.

Hydro originally came from an ancient civilization, not sure if it was the Aztecs, Mayans, or Incas, but they used to build gardens on the rivers or the river bays, with the water feeding the plants from the river. So it was sort of hydropnic agriculture. I think even the Romans used this method too

[goodbuddy]

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