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Hoopla
07-04-09, 01:30 PM
Ahoy.

I (or so I believe) am about four weeks into flowering. That's my best guess anyway.

I've been reading up of organic materials used to provide nutrients, and was thinking of drying out some banana peel to make a tea (this was suggested in my previous thread on food).

Anything I should look out for? And what's the best method?

CBD
07-04-09, 02:15 PM
theres a great post in the Chillie growing thread (which ive lost, its out there somewhere) that lists a whole load of organics with nutritional info. I'm just guessing that they would be transferable to the Green.

Hoopla
07-04-09, 03:03 PM
Okay, I'll check it out and see what else I can concoct, thanks.

Any advice on the actual tea making method?

X_John-Smith_X
07-04-09, 03:07 PM
1: Dry the peels
2: Freeze the peels (sterlilizes them)
3: grind the peels
4: Boil water at first then turn down to a very low simmer
5: Add Ground Peels
6: Simmer for 20-30 minutes
7: Filter through coffee filter to remove particulate
8: Cool to room temprature

For the best result you can add molasses and or seaweed to the simmering mixtures... This will allow additional potassium, and neutrients but also give the phospherus a chelating agent as phospherus is not typically water soluable without a chelating agent.

Hoopla
07-04-09, 03:23 PM
Excellent, thanks.

Also thinking of adding some milk to the mix, appears to have a fairly balanced NPK profile.

Feel free to drop in and leave your 2P

X_John-Smith_X
07-04-09, 03:29 PM
I forgot to add this;

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb282/HoodyFrankz/forum%20help/bananacontent.jpg

the original source is a PDF file located at

http://jds.fass.org/cgi/reprint/32/11/969.pdf

Not sure on the milk... I would be cautious of the fat binding the oil of fat is not soluable and may bind to salts to cause a grease type clog in the soil or coat roots... I'd research it some more, I will do the same and we will see what we can find

Hoopla
07-04-09, 03:32 PM
Roger that, back in a jiffy with what I can find

Hoopla
07-04-09, 03:40 PM
Hmm, not exactly a wealth of info available.

Most people seem to share you concern that fats in the milk could cause a problem, but if I were to use non-fat milk I should be able to counteract it right?

Another woman seemed to think that the milk might feed fungus and mildew in the soil, but hopefully I don't have and fungus or mildew anyway.

Finally, a couple of people claimed that calcium might help the plant and that the proteins therein could serve as a source of nitrogen.

Anything other than that at your end chief?

BuddyBoy
07-04-09, 06:15 PM
Hmm, not exactly a wealth of info available.

Most people seem to share you concern that fats in the milk could cause a problem, but if I were to use non-fat milk I should be able to counteract it right?

Another woman seemed to think that the milk might feed fungus and mildew in the soil, but hopefully I don't have and fungus or mildew anyway.

Finally, a couple of people claimed that calcium might help the plant and that the proteins therein could serve as a source of nitrogen.

Anything other than that at your end chief?

Milk as you correctly state adds calcium, and in turn aids the structure of the buds. The solution should be 1/10 (eg 100ml to 1 litre) at that dilution the milk should dissipate into the soil leaving nothing on the surface.

In my experience using milk I never use it every feed, so the next water/feed washes the surface residue back into the soil.

I add milk to my seaweed/worm tea, along with a teaspoonful of eggshells and half a teaspoon of tea leaves. I get nice tight buds. The egg shells must be dust, ground in a pestle and mortar, and the tea should be used and dried in a microwave.

Just my take, but there are may opinions as you can imagine.

banana skins are a rich source of potassium, some people also believe that laying the skins on the soil surface around the plant at veg stage will promote a female sexed plant, however the jury appears to be out on that one.

At the end of the day you are not going to come to too much harm using organic matter for feeds and fertilizer, its almost impossible to get nute burn, and whatever you feed the soil it will enrich some aspect of your grow. For an added flowering burst add a pinch or two of wood ash with your last feed (2 weeks before the chop) and then wind the water down over that 2 week period to zero, not letting the plants wilt, but the fan leaves should yellow and drop off as the plant comsumes the last of the nutrients. This gleens a bit of extra thc for you to injest.

:)

Hoopla
07-04-09, 06:27 PM
That's great advice, thanks. Glad to hear that milk can enhance the quality of the buds, as obviously at this stage I'm anxious to see exactly how they're gonna form.

One more thing, if you dont mind, is there a particular wood I should use to get wood ash? or amount?

BuddyBoy
07-04-09, 09:23 PM
That's great advice, thanks. Glad to hear that milk can enhance the quality of the buds, as obviously at this stage I'm anxious to see exactly how they're gonna form.

One more thing, if you dont mind, is there a particular wood I should use to get wood ash? or amount?

You wont know how your buds will form until they form, as the layers of flowers build, however calcuim will add valuable building blocks to this process.

A seaweed foliar spray every couple of days during flower, but stopping as the buds start to build momentum is also a good way to improve your buds, theres some 40 or so base minerals and micronutrients in that syrup of the sea, its also has chelating factors that digest the more 'complicated' minerals to be digested by the plant, like soduim for example. I wouldnt add the milk to the foliar spray however as this dries on the surface of the leaves.

A couple of pinches of wood ash, maybe a teaspoon or so, I just use 'pinchs' it must be wood ash, thats the only stipulation. Its the carbon and potassium created in the burning process you want.

A good feeding regime is BioBiz grow, and the bloom, with a supplemental regime of worm/seaweed tea, and many other organic nutrients (like the milk), and foliar sprays will always give you a good crop. Its the lights and care that give you the quality. TLC, love those girls, talk to them, play them music, whisper sweet nothings, you get the idea.

Now your mission is to go away and read, absorb, digest, and research, oh yeah......and grow wicked weed ;)

:)

:)

Hoopla
07-04-09, 11:20 PM
Its the lights and care that give you the quality. TLC, love those girls, talk to them, play them music, whisper sweet nothings, you get the idea.

Now your mission is to go away and read, absorb, digest, and research, oh yeah......and grow wicked weed

That was....beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye.

Thanks again, can'tspeak highly enough of the helpful natre of these forums.

I will put up a new picture of Rock Lobster on Saturday, when she's fed, then again a week later

CBD
07-04-09, 11:44 PM
That was....beautiful. Brought a tear to my eye.

Thanks again, can'tspeak highly enough of the helpful natre of these forums.

I will put up a new picture of Rock Lobster on Saturday, when she's fed, then again a week later

i'll second that, excellent posts regarding teas and organic ferts, JohnSmith and Buddyboy many thanks, its a great forum in the truest sense of the word.

This is the chilli grow guide i was talking about clicky (http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?t=9001)

look at post 4 by TOMBONG, talks about organic ferts and gives NPK values for a sh!tload of stuff

BuddyBoy
08-04-09, 12:39 AM
Always a pleasure.

:stoned-smilie:

Hoopla
08-04-09, 05:11 PM
Okay, I've just finished making the mix and am waiting for it to cool so I can administer it to the plant. I'm going to list the recipe now, so that if it produces anywhere-near decent results then people can give it a go for themselves.

You will need:

J. Arthur Bowers Tomato Plant Food
2 Litres tap water
1 Banana peel
2 egg shells
200 ml Skimmed or zero fat milk


Firstly, dry the banana peel completely (less moisture=better) and then freeze it. Once frozen, remove the peel and use a grater (or similar) to grind the peel into a sort of mush.

Then put your water on to boil for a few minutes before reducing the heat to a simmer. Add the banana peel mush, stir and leave to simmer.

Use a pestel and mortar (or back of spoon and a dish, lol) to crush the eggshells into the finest dust you can manage. You'll appreciate this later when you realise just how insoluble egg shells are.

After about fifteen minutes of stewing the banana peel tea, strain it into a different container, at which point you cna add the egg shells and stir. Don't be alarmed if it settles on the bottom immediately.

Allow to cool.

Add roughly 1/4 capful of the tomato food, stir, then add the milk and stir again. IF youve followed the above steps properly, the mixture will look oddly grey.

Leave to cool, and serve.

Nutritional values
Banana peel: 1.75/0.75/0.5 (n/p/k)
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0. + calcium
Eggshell: 1.19/0.38/0.14
J. Arthur Bower's Tomato Plant Food: 4/4/0.08

PLUS

4% Potassium oxide (soluble in water)
0.0018% Boron (solube in water)
0.0013% Copper (soluble in water and chelated by EDTA)
0.0056% Iron (soluble in water and chelated by EDTA)
0.0034% Manganese (soluble in water and chelated by EDTA)
0.0011% Molybdenum (soluble in water)
0.0011% Zinc (soluble in water and chelated by EDTA)

PREDICTIONS

There is roughly a 0.00001% chance ive created an excellent fertiliser.

Conversely, there's about a 43 % chance that I will in fact end up killing my plant.

*Note* The formula above was concocted through the amalgamation of different bits of advice given to me by THCTalk members, and thus I cannot accept responsibility or praise for any positive results it may give. Thanks to Tombong for his Chillies guide, and to John Smith and CBD for the advice in this thread

Hoopla
08-04-09, 07:02 PM
...Also, planning to administer this feed twice weekly up until last fornight or so before crop.

Accetpable?

CBD
08-04-09, 08:33 PM
i could be leading you astray again but i think that the addition of a little molasses helps the roots take up the nutes, at least i think thats what JohnSmith said, he's the man to ask

Hoopla
08-04-09, 08:40 PM
Yeah I would've gone and got some if I'd had more time, but there aren't any stores selling it within walking distance.

Plus, the metals in the tomato food are already chelated, which is what the molasses are for. Hopefully this will mean I'll be able to do without for now

BuddyBoy
08-04-09, 10:45 PM
A tad of seaweed will also do the chelating for you, and you will see the benefits of the 60 or so minerals and nutrients in no time. Especially at flower time.

I would swap the bowers tomato food for BioBiz if you get a chance, however i think for flowering you would want the bloom not the grow.

Just for the record as you flower you want to wind down the Nitrogen, keep a bit, but wind it down none the less, I say this cause the egg shells are a source of nitrogen.

I sometimes add a 1/2 teaspoonful of the egg shells directly below the roots on a repot, like you say the decomposition of the egg shells takes a while, and it moves quicker underground.

Good Luck

:)

Hoopla
13-04-09, 01:10 PM
Just checking in with an update for anyone who viewed this thread the first time round. I used the tea twice over a five day period, at which point it started to congeal so I threw it away.

I can confirm that I'm seeing positive results- the main cola especially has filled out at a fast rate and smaller buds that had barely developed beforehand seem to be getting their act together too.

Be forewarned that the tea will make your soil smell awfully strange for a few days, but once you switch back to pure water it'll soon pass

X_John-Smith_X
13-04-09, 01:41 PM
That smell is the smell of full bellies. Those fat microb bastards ate their faces off and loved every minute of that... As they decompose the matter you added to the soil they will exhaust themselves. That Exhaust is not harmful to your plants and in fact thier excretion is most bennifical to your plants and additional microbs.

Hoopla
13-04-09, 02:09 PM
Bloody excellent news!

Thanks for your collaboration on this little experiment

CBD
16-04-09, 06:40 PM
Good stuff Hoopla, nice thread

BuddyBoy
16-04-09, 10:41 PM
Seconded, nice thread.

How are you finding the extra nitrogen from the eggshells during flower? I would suggest a flush of sorts, just to avoid the teeth tingle associated with excess nitrogen. This flush would be last 2 weeks of flower. Just a suggestion.

To be honest natural nitrogen forming substances wont effect the plants taste anywhere near as much as chemical nutes, so i wouldn't hold your breath, but after so much love, care and attention, i would go the extra mile towards perfection ;)

Good Luck

:)

Hoopla
17-04-09, 03:45 PM
How are you finding the extra nitrogen from the eggshells during flower? I would suggest a flush of sorts, just to avoid the teeth tingle associated with excess nitrogen. This flush would be last 2 weeks of flower. Just a suggestion.

To be honest natural nitrogen forming substances wont effect the plants taste anywhere near as much as chemical nutes, so i wouldn't hold your breath, but after so much love, care and attention, i would go the extra mile towards perfection


Yeah I'm hoping to account for the extra nitrogen by doing just that! I plan to flush, then add some wood ash to the soil for the last five days before harvest for a last minute boost.

Thanks guys

BuddyBoy
17-04-09, 05:07 PM
Yeah I'm hoping to account for the extra nitrogen by doing just that! I plan to flush, then add some wood ash to the soil for the last five days before harvest for a last minute boost.

Thanks guys


You'll be wanting to add the wood ash to the last feed, before the 2 week flush. You want the girls to be using what they have, not more. But no food/anything last 2 weeks, just rested water, and wind that down to almost nothing for the final week. Just add enough water to stop the wilting. The soil should be crusty and dry by the time you harvest, with yellowing dying leaves as the plant finally consumes itself almost.

Its all very sad :( (RIP), but well worth it :) :) :)

:)

Hoopla
17-04-09, 06:59 PM
Wow okay.

How is it that starving the plants helps? (forgive the questions, I just like to know what's what).

BuddyBoy
17-04-09, 07:56 PM
Ur not really starving them, you're just making sure they eat all they have in their cell structure, this process gleens that extra % of thc from the plants.

Reducing the water tightens up your buds, and they dry quicker...

Have a little read in the novice section...

Fine tuning is now the task for you. read, read and read some more, after all its pretty interesting info...

:)