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    Hi there Denizens,

    Normally, when growers grow an auto strain, they kill the plant at the first
    harvest. This is because enthusiastic growers, keen to maximise their yield,
    harvest both the flowers and the leaves. If growers harvested only the
    bud, and left the leaves in tact, then the plant is apt to survive the harvest
    and then flower again, perhaps immediately or perhaps according to the
    photo-period.

    It's theoretically a very interesting question: On what basis will an auto-strain
    flower, after the first harvest ? Will it be perpetually flowering ?
    Or will it regress to photo-period flowering ?

    I've just got through reading a dozen articles about the health benefits of
    CBD and some of the other terpenes/terpenoids in cannabis. Importantly
    for the old, CBD is neuro-protective and neuro-restorative (eg after head
    injury or stroke). CBD has already been shown stop the progress, even
    reverse the decline, of neurological conditions such as MS, Parkinson's,
    Huntington's, Alzheimer's, ALS, etc. And let's not forget those suffering
    chronic pain with rheumatism, or one of the arthritic diseases, spinal
    pain, stomach pain... etc. CBD triggers our opioid receptors to provide
    an analgesic effect (analgesia without addiction side effects!)
    There's also the bone restorative function of CBD (which is of
    obvious utility in treating and reversing oesto-arthritis and bone
    de-calcification in the elderly)

    Imagine your grandparents, or imagine a friend or relative with a chronic
    disease, perhaps one of the dementias, perhaps MS, perhaps arthritis or
    rheumatism. Perhaps their energy levels are low, or perhaps they have
    a reduced ability to focus on tasks, perhaps they have a limited range of
    movement.

    What would be ideal for these people, is to provide them with a small
    auto-flowering cannabis variety, that might be grown at home, or in a
    greenhouse, that has these features:

    (1) that it's long-lived.
    Currently, growers kill the plant at the first harvest
    and hence don't get to see the plant's potential for supplying multiple harvests.
    And hence they don't realise that, probably, this plant is _not_ an annual.
    This plant could go on flowering, year after year for 5, 10 or 15 years.

    (2) It's perpetually flowering
    We all know how an auto behaves when flowering for the first time: It goes
    straight from the seedling to the flowering stages with no vegetative phase
    in between. Imagine an auto cannabis strain that lives for, say, 5 years.
    How will the auto-flowering cannabis plant behave _after_ the first harvest ?
    Will it flower perpetually ?
    Will it revert to flowering according to photo-period ?
    (Probably, the answer is that, some will send up new shoots for new flowers
    almost immediately, and others revert to photo-period flowering).

    My purpose here, is to encourage you all to not destroy your auto strains at
    the first harvest. Instead, only harvest the bud, not the leaves, allow the plant
    to survive the harvest and then watch to see what happens.
    (a) Will your auto immediately begin sending up new shoots for new flowers ?
    (b) Will your auto live for 5, 10 or 15 years.

    If your answer to (a) is yes. You're already onto a winner. Everyone will want
    seeds from a perpetually flowering plant.

    If your plant survives the first year, then again, you're onto a winner.
    Why ? Because the yield of a plant, depends on the development of it's root system.
    Your plant's root system will be more highly developed in year 2, than it was in year 1.
    And hence the bud harvests are going to be heavier too. Year by year, it will render
    more and more bud. Of-course, it will help if you give it more 'bucket room'.

    We can develop auto strains that are:
    (1) long lived, ie. multi-year lifespan
    (2) perpetually flowering.
    (3) And that this task will prove to be relatively easy and very profitable for
    those growers that take my suggestion seriously.

    The Ultimate Low-Maintenance Cannabis Strain.
    If you identify a plant that is perpetually flowering, _everyone_ will want those seeds.
    A long-lived, perpetually flowering auto strain can be selectively harvested on an
    ad hoc basis every week or so. It would require a minimum in terms of time,
    attention and resources. It would be the ultimate low-maintenance cannabis strain.

    The same plant could offer up medical MJ for old people, such as your grandparents,
    for people confined to wheelchairs, or for people with a limited range of motion, and
    for people with cognitive impairments or difficulties in focusing on tasks.

    The Life-Span of Auto Strains:
    Some autos, perhaps most autos, _must_ carry the genes necessary for multi-year longevity
    since, even for F1 auto-hybrids, one parent is short lived and one parent is long lived.
    So we might expect 50% of the seeds from an F1, Ruderalis X (sativa/indica) hybrid to
    exhibit. That's based on a naive probabilistic distribution of the genes. In practice we might
    see 25% of plants have a Ruderalis lifespan, 50% of plants have an intermediate lifespan, say 5 years,
    and 25% have a lifespan of, say, 10 years. In that scenario 75% of autos have a multi-year life-span.

    But consider that many autos are crossed to another long lived sativa or indica in the F2 generation.
    And perhaps another indica/sativa cross in the F3 generation. Probably, the only trait of interest
    to the commercial breeders is the auto-flowering trait. With each new generation that an auto
    is crossed with a sativa or indica, multiplies the chances that seeds of this cross, will have multi-year
    longevity.

    Perpetual Flowering Cannabis Strains:
    If you have an auto, that lives, say, 5 years. What are it's flowering patterns going to be ?
    Maybe it will it be perpetually flowering ?
    Will it somehow revert to a photosensitive flowering behaviour
    (presumably genes inherited from one of it's long-lived ancestors)

    We already have famous examples of perpetually flowering sativa plants on the Island of Reunion.
    And perhaps it would be a successful and profitable project to cross Ruderalis with one of the
    perpetual weed strains from Reunion.
    See the Strain Hunters report for this.

    I feel it's important that growers consider the potential for long-lived and perpetual-flowering
    auto strains. Such plants would require much less in terms of time, attention and resources.
    The development and distribution of these strains would be a huge benefit to many older people
    and many people with medical issues. (And one day, if we're lucky, that will be us)

    The growers/breeders that develop and stablise a long-lived, perpetually flowing auto strain, will
    make themselves famous and wealthy. The seeds of such a strain will fetch hansom prices, i'd
    like to predict prices of $10 to $20 per seed. Those seeds would be very much in demand, every
    'amateur' grower would want them.

    The utility of these strains to the elderly, the infirm, the invalid and those with chronic diseases
    would be immense. We're not here long. We should try to do some good in the world.

    best wishes

    cryptolab

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    This is not the only site you've posted this to.

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    I need to read this properly but the perpetual harvest thing that it’s long lived has got me!!!
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    Plant auto seed
    Grow auto plant
    Harvest
    Dry & cure
    Repeat...

    I don't want to reflower an auto.... and if I were looking at reflowering, then a photoperiod plant is a better option as the lighting costs would be lower (and a greater harvest could be achieved!)

    On the face of it, it sounds a good idea. In reality, the idea is flawed....
    It's Not What You Know, It's What You Can Prove

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    Starts off talking about health benefits and saving the old folk...
    Then finishes with wealth, fame, profitability, and even wondering how much each seed could sell for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aspie Toker View Post
    This is not the only site you've posted this to.
    Hi Aspie Toker,

    That's a fine collection of medals (and thanks) you've received there
    (Is Aspie short for Aspberger's ?)

    You're correct. It's not the first, and it wont be the last.

    I want to offer growers these ideas, ideas that are intrinsically interesting,
    and ideas that could basically make them wealthy and/or famous.
    (Wouldn't it be nice, to leave the day job, and set up shop as a breeder, and/or seller of MJ seeds ?)

    I'm asking nothing for myself.
    I'm offering these ideas freely, in the hope that multiple strains of perpetually-flowering,
    long-lived autos become available. There's an army of potential beneficiaries:
    The elderly, those with chronic medical conditions, those suffering pain, those with
    neurological diseases, or neurological injuries.

    By distributing these ideas, I hope to play a part in the reduction of suffering,
    of many thousands, perhaps even millions, of people.

    If we are lucky, we will grow old and infirm. Maybe then i'll have a couple of
    these perpetual autos sunbathing through in the dinning room windows.

    best wishes

    cryptolab

    PS.. i've just noticed your location. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by uparoundthebend View Post
    Starts off talking about health benefits and saving the old folk...
    Then finishes with wealth, fame, profitability, and even wondering how much each seed could sell for.
    Hey uparoundthebend,

    I presume you can see that:

    There are good financial reasons for developing a perpetually flowering auto strain.
    Those breeders/growers that sell the seeds from such strains will make a lot of money.

    That by serving their own financial and professional interests, breeders and growers
    will be making life a lot better for lots of people with chronic diseases, those suffering pain,
    those with osteo-arthritis, rheumatism, dementias of various types. And there are millions,
    perhaps even billions, of these people, across the world. Imagine being able to do something
    that would reduce the suffering of 1% of 1% of these people, or even 1% of these people.
    That's definitely doing some substantial good in the world.

    That's fair enough, isn't it ?

    cryptolab

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    Quote Originally Posted by cryptolab View Post
    Hi Aspie Toker,

    That's a fine collection of medals (and thanks) you've received there
    (Is Aspie short for Aspberger's ?)

    You're correct. It's not the first, and it wont be the last.

    I want to offer growers these ideas, ideas that are intrinsically interesting,
    and ideas that could basically make them wealthy and/or famous.
    (Wouldn't it be nice, to leave the day job, and set up shop as a breeder, and/or seller of MJ seeds ?)

    I'm asking nothing for myself.
    I'm offering these ideas freely, in the hope that multiple strains of perpetually-flowering,
    long-lived autos become available. There's an army of potential beneficiaries:
    The elderly, those with chronic medical conditions, those suffering pain, those with
    neurological diseases, or neurological injuries.

    By distributing these ideas, I hope to play a part in the reduction of suffering,
    of many thousands, perhaps even millions, of people.

    If we are lucky, we will grow old and infirm. Maybe then i'll have a couple of
    these perpetual autos sunbathing through in the dinning room windows.

    best wishes

    cryptolab

    PS.. i've just noticed your location. :-)
    Thank you, but there are many more people on here with more medals than I.

    Close, it's short for Asperger's.

    Most people on here are from the UK where selling is illegal. Not only that, we are personal growers only.

    I've never heard of perpetually-flowering, long-lived autos. Could you please explain more. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    Plant auto seed
    Grow auto plant
    Harvest
    Dry & cure
    Repeat...

    I don't want to reflower an auto.... and if I were looking at reflowering, then a photoperiod plant is a better option as the lighting costs would be lower (and a greater harvest could be achieved!)

    On the face of it, it sounds a good idea. In reality, the idea is flawed....
    Hi MC,

    Someone soon, will find the auto strain that is perpetually flowering.
    Those seeds are going to attract high prices, because casual growers,
    and medical MJ growers, will see the obvious advantages of a
    continually flowering plant, that's about as low maintenance as it's
    possible to get.

    I suspect, the perpetual auto-strain might be either:
    (a) Northern Lights X Ruderalis cross (NL often sends up new shoots for
    flowers for as long as the summer lasts)
    or
    (b) Reunion Island Strain X Ruderalis cross (some of these plants are
    already on record as re-flowering just weeks after being harvested).

    It's possible that Ruderalis is already perpetually flowering.
    Question: How does Ruderalis behave if left in perpetual summer ?
    Do you think it flowers once and dies off ?
    I've read accounts of Ruderalis being killed off by cold weather,
    and not by 'flowering'.

    Inevitably, people will find a perpetually re-flowering auto-strain,
    and these people are going to make themselves both famous and wealthy.
    Good luck to them, i say. I wish them well.
    They will be serving a vast community of elderly and medical MJ users.
    (And one day, if we're lucky, that will be us)

    best wishes

    cryptolab
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    You kinda miss my point.

    I, and many other like me, do not want this sort of perpetualness. If we did then we would keep a photoperiod mother plant.

    But I don't have space for a mother & I need my grow room to dry with. I need a certain amount of 'down time' before I can restart. What would I do with the plant during that period? - If I had an answer for that then I would just grow photoperiods & cut my energy bill...

    Other auto growers rent their homes & have regular inspections by the landlord. They grow between these times only...

    Lots of reasons why people grow autos, but they often revolve around 'seed to weed' fast & then a shut down of some description

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