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    I’ve seen a few Q and A threads popping up around the forum. Having a general interest in what’s on the market and how different products give different results I seem to have tried pretty much the majority and if I haven’t theres most likely a very good reason for it.

    So do you have a question on nutrients or additives? Soil/organic, coco and hydro. Thinking of a new product, not sure how to use a product or what it’s npk ratio means, Issues with your current nutes?

    Ask away. I’m sure between us all you’ll get an answer

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    Bloody good idea Blue.

    I am nearly done with my two Canna A&B 5 litre jobs. Have been looking at Ionic range. Your thoughts, and all THCtalkers too, on the Ionic range?
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    Great tread brother.looking to switch my nutes for OT as mine have discontinued 😩.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viz View Post
    Bloody good idea Blue.

    I am nearly done with my two Canna A&B 5 litre jobs. Have been looking at Ionic range. Your thoughts, and all THCtalkers too, on the Ionic range?
    Hi Viz

    Ionic would be a good choice, there cheap to buy there range is simple and most importantly there a long standing tried and tested company.

    The previous canna you have is to be used with all water types as you already know.. The ionic however tailor there nutes to suit both hard and soft water types. You may find switching to something more suited to your water gives a healthy plant.

    Ionics cal mag pro is very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB View Post
    Great tread brother.looking to switch my nutes for OT as mine have discontinued .


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    Advanced nutrients have discontinued a product? Are they re realising it in 10 seperate bottles at 40 a piece?

    All jokes aside I know they have served you well so hopefully a new one gives the same if not better results..Rather than OT try the Buddhas Tree Organicus as a first choice or the canna Bio Flores. I’m not a fan of OT, I used to be but in my opinion it ain’t what it used to be

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    Dear Blue,

    I'm playing with my organic soil mix. What do you think?

    Perlite %20
    Worm Castings % 10
    Bone %2
    Blood %2
    Epsom %1
    Soil %65

    The soil is a compost/Top soil mix with a little perlite thats mixed local. It is fungal/bacterial active.

    I plan on dosing with a molasses (and possibly kelp) tea weekly. I'm good with any other product suggestions other than fish as the smell makes me violent.


    Thanks!

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    Nice thread blue. RAW bloom and grow microbes, not the feed. Any good and worth the doe? Not so bothered about the organic side. As we said bang for your buck with npk industries. 👍🏻 also I'm using biosys once a week, when would you feed molasses after the biosys and would you add the sugar to your base nutes?
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    Cracking thread Blue!! Subbed for the learns

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousaurusRex View Post
    Dear Blue,

    I'm playing with my organic soil mix. What do you think?

    Perlite %20
    Worm Castings % 10
    Bone %2
    Blood %2
    Epsom %1
    Soil %65

    The soil is a compost/Top soil mix with a little perlite thats mixed local. It is fungal/bacterial active.

    I plan on dosing with a molasses (and possibly kelp) tea weekly. I'm good with any other product suggestions other than fish as the smell makes me violent.


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    Your mix and plans sound fine, but I’m not sure about the addition of Epsom in there. I’d sooner use this as a folier drench and use calicified seaweed as a replacement at the roots.

    I’d also consider adding in a small amount of coco coir amongst those as it has great aeration properties. The root development is worth the small fee Coco costs.

    Volcanic rockdust would be another good addition. Plenty of traces in there 60+ to give an idea.. Some are sceptical on this one but I’m a fan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmshop View Post
    Nice thread blue. RAW bloom and grow microbes, not the feed. Any good and worth the doe? Not so bothered about the organic side. As we said bang for your buck with npk industries.  also I'm using biosys once a week, when would you feed molasses after the biosys and would you add the sugar to your base nutes?
    Cheers lad
    The idea of the Raw grow and bloom microbes is a good one but not something you would need. The majority of microbes your getting from both the grow and bloom packets you already have in the Bioseys... So it would be money spent on something you already have in your arsenal.

    If your wanting to boost the herd using products like these your nute line up needs to be strictly non synthetic and your water needs to be stood everytime before use. Anything less than this and your wasting time and money as there will be no herd to boost.

    If you have organic base nutes they will be molasses based as they all are. So again your already using this stuff without knowing. For adding extra I’d feed molasses and water only the odd once or twice between feeds after Bioseys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    Your mix and plans sound fine, but Im not sure about the addition of Epsom in there. Id sooner use this as a folier drench and use calicified seaweed as a replacement at the roots.

    Id also consider adding in a small amount of coco coir amongst those as it has great aeration properties. The root development is worth the small fee Coco costs.

    Volcanic rockdust would be another good addition. Plenty of traces in there 60+ to give an idea.. Some are sceptical on this one but Im a fan
    I was planning on the Epsom just to get ahead of any possible deficiency as Id read it has little effect if unneeded but the seaweed would be easy to add to the weekly and I prefer that as an additive than trying to add Epsom topically later on.

    Ive just started looking into rock dust as an additive, super cool. Any chance this could replace some of my perlite % ?

    Same question on the coco. Also Ive read that coco has a great root microbiome. Will they play nice with whats living in my soil or will I need to monitor them?

    O! How do you feel about clay pebble/ rock topping for soil?

    Thank you very much for the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousaurusRex View Post
    I was planning on the Epsom just to get ahead of any possible deficiency as Id read it has little effect if unneeded but the seaweed would be easy to add to the weekly and I prefer that as an additive than trying to add Epsom topically later on.

    Ive just started looking into rock dust as an additive, super cool. Any chance this could replace some of my perlite % ?

    Same question on the coco. Also Ive read that coco has a great root microbiome. Will they play nice with whats living in my soil or will I need to monitor them?

    O! How do you feel about clay pebble/ rock topping for soil?

    Thank you very much for the information.
    The rockdust I use has no drainage benefits as it seems to be exactly what it says on the packet,fine dust.

    The coco could quite easily replace 10% of your perlite and have no negative effects on your soil life.

    The clay/rock pebble topping isn't something I've done before so I can't really help you with that. I know some do it to help reduce rising humidity from the pots

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    @ blue Have you tried mills range yet? It freaking rocks IMHO ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnigma View Post
    @ blue Have you tried mills range yet? It freaking rocks IMHO ,
    I've used there medium. The coco with cork, that is excellent stuff.

    I haven't used the nute line but I got a free starter pack with the coco I'm yet to try. I've heard good things especially on the c4. What makes there nute line rock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    I've used there medium. The coco with cork, that is excellent stuff.

    I haven't used the nute line but I got a free starter pack with the coco I'm yet to try. I've heard good things especially on the c4. What makes there nute line rock?
    Ive just done 1st run with them on the gorillas , Its Easy to use with just part A+B + 1 supplement ( start - r , c4 , pk ) depending on stage of growth , 100% no white residue at bottom of pots at the end of the grow , And not mega expensive unless you run vitalize , and is semi organic having the best of both worlds . This run was 100% problem free running at 1.6EC during mid flower

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousaurusRex View Post
    I was planning on the Epsom just to get ahead of any possible deficiency as Id read it has little effect if unneeded but the seaweed would be easy to add to the weekly and I prefer that as an additive than trying to add Epsom topically later on.

    Ive just started looking into rock dust as an additive, super cool. Any chance this could replace some of my perlite % ?

    Same question on the coco. Also Ive read that coco has a great root microbiome. Will they play nice with whats living in my soil or will I need to monitor them?

    O! How do you feel about clay pebble/ rock topping for soil?

    Thank you very much for the information.
    Use 50/50 gypsum and oyster shell instead of Epsom, the coco is mainly for the microbiology for consumption of organic matter not only aeration for your aeration I would use rice hulls which will break down into organic matter at the same time releasing loads of silica and instead of perlite I would use a new product called growstones,
    Rockdust is a must in my soil mix also as for your ratio I would go
    1:1:1
    Coco/peat
    Aeration
    GOOD QUALITY castings or compost

    And sorry what’s the 65% soil your adding if your making a soil bro?
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    Hi Blue,

    I am growing in living soil. I did a slurry test with equal amounts soil and distilled water and got a reading of 7.6-7.7

    I do not want to be feeding my soil anything that will interfere with the microbial life.

    How can I lower my soil PH?
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    Thank you! It was awesome of you to start this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CityDweller View Post
    Hi Blue,

    I am growing in living soil. I did a slurry test with equal amounts soil and distilled water and got a reading of 7.6-7.7

    I do not want to be feeding my soil anything that will interfere with the microbial life.

    How can I lower my soil PH?
    I wasn’t asked but if I may.
    if the soil is living I would leave it or use these two options preferably the latter!
    How bigs your pot/container even better bed!
    You will be able to lower your ph with the addition of gypsum and it won’t happen over night and you’ll have to be careful doing this because you can lock up magnesium,
    I would just do a couple compost/casting teas without the addition of any nutrients just the microbes and let them deal with the matter, and again it all comes down to the quality of the material your starting with.
    I haven’t checked my ph once in 4 years when it comes to the soil. The last bed was 3 years old and just run itself,
    Are you using a mulch or cover crop because believe it or not this can help too
    Redz

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