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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    Then when you are nicked in inner London, at night, whilst 'hanging' with hoodie mates, good luck on defending your case
    If you hang with criminals then you are fair game.

    You are guilty of their crimes by Enterprise even if you just watched.




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    Quote Originally Posted by gardro View Post
    If you hang with criminals then you are fair game.

    You are guilty of their crimes by Enterprise even if you just watched.
    Left alone, these are the people the police would harass but instead we tie their hands behind their backs. I sometimes wonder if people want these matters dealt with or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    Left alone, these are the people the police would harass but instead we tie their hands behind their backs. I sometimes wonder if people want these matters dealt with or not
    Couldn't agree more

    10 years if caught with a knife. Make that the offence, job done.

    Then we don't need to abuse the innocent






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    There's an entire different world between the US and UK in crime statistics. I can't even begin to participate in this discussion. Summer in Chicago, averaging dozens of shootings and 10-20 deaths per weekend.

    Still I wouldn't be happy with a stop and search law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gardro View Post
    Then we don't need to abuse the innocent
    It is the innocent that the violent section of society is already abusing How many people in London are now too scared to walk to or from a friends house after dark, use a cash point, complain when the kids throw their rubbish on the floor, spit or use foul language.

    And I despair when the police can not have the tools they need to do the job because others want to flout the law by wandering around with cannabis in their pockets & they vocally deny the Police the ability to do their job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff View Post
    There's an entire different world between the US and UK in crime statistics. I can't even begin to participate in this discussion. Summer in Chicago, averaging dozens of shootings and 10-20 deaths per weekend.

    Still I wouldn't be happy with a stop and search law.
    You guys have far better civil / amendment rights than us BUT have too many guns in circulation unfortunately. I would carry a weapon no doubt if everyone else was. The law and rifle association promotes that





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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    It is the innocent that the violent section of society is already abusing How many people in London are now too scared to walk to or from a friends house after dark, use a cash point, complain when the kids throw their rubbish on the floor, spit or use foul language.

    And I despair when the police can not have the tools they need to do the job because others want to flout the law by wandering around with cannabis in their pockets & they vocally deny the Police the ability to do their job
    But by searching people for the sake of it/because he's black/ because I'm tired/because plod doesn't like you, you are abusing people's human rights. This is not a tool the Police should ever have, full stop. It's actually an assault under common law.

    Eventually we will be saying search everyone before they leave their houses, just in case they might become criminal today. Criminal until proven innocent

    Minority report comes to mind also




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    Quote Originally Posted by gardro View Post
    But by searching people for the sake of it/because he's black/ because I'm tired/because plod doesn't like you, you are abusing people's human rights. This is not a tool the Police should ever have, full stop. It's actually an assault under common law.

    Eventually we will be saying search everyone before they leave their houses, just in case they might become criminal today. Criminal until proven innocent

    Minority report comes to mind also
    I'm pretty sure that being stabbed is also against your human rights and is a damn sight more than common assault - but that seems to be OK as no one wants to tackle the issue

    Just admit it, you have no idea on how to tackle this bar making sure that existing legislation isn't used

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    I'm pretty sure that being stabbed is also against your human rights and is a damn sight more than common assault - but that seems to be OK as no one wants to tackle the issue

    Just admit it, you have no idea on how to tackle this bar making sure that existing legislation isn't used
    The solution is to tackle the broken legislation, to bring it in line with the current real world landscape.

    You cannot enforce the law by breaking the law.

    You cannot detect all crime but you can deter a lot of it.






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    Default Boy, 14, stabbed to death in Waltham Forest, north-east London

    Quote Originally Posted by gardro View Post
    Couldn't agree more

    10 years if caught with a knife. Make that the offence, job done.

    Then we don't need to abuse the innocent






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    Up here we changed the laws on carrying in 2016 , maximum prison term of 5 years. This was 8 years after the start of an anti knife campaign ( mostly due to the amount of knifings in Glasgow and surrounding towns)


    In the first year there were 971 recorded offences of carrying a knife with no reason to do so .

    How many of that figure got the maximum ?






    1 , yes that’s it.

    It doesn’t matter if they change the law (sentencing) its the enforcement of the law that’s the issue also with judges not being harsh enough and decent defence briefs doing there job.

    The jails are full as well , the influx of people as MC has rightly stated (that they also bring their culture with them as well ) can have a negative impact on communities. Certainly in communities where there is already poverty etc.

    But knife crime has reduced up here overall since the increase in jail time which is no bad thing. (The information is out there to back this up)

    The Met and English forces have been looking at the model and success from the past 10 years from up here as well.



    There is no quick fix imo for the London situation.

    Thank fuck I stay where I do lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean Man View Post
    Up here we changed the laws on carrying in 2016 , maximum prison term of 5 years. This was 8 years after the start of an anti knife campaign ( mostly due to the amount of knifings in Glasgow and surrounding towns)


    In the first year there were 971 recorded offences of carrying a knife with no reason to do so .

    How many of that figure got the maximum ?






    1 , yes that’s it.

    It doesn’t matter if they change the law (sentencing) its the enforcement of the law that’s the issue also with judges not being harsh enough and decent defence briefs doing there job.

    The jails are full as well , the influx of people as MC has rightly stated (that they also bring their culture with them as well ) has a negative impact on communities. Certainly in communities where there is already poverty etc.

    But knife crime has reduced up here overall since the increase in jail time which is no bad thing. (The information is out there to back this up)

    The Met and English forces have been looking at the model and success from the past 10 years from up here as well.



    There is no quick fix imo for the London situation.

    Thank fuck I stay where I do lol


    As you were
    Still a very rough place fella lol





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    Quote Originally Posted by gardro View Post
    The solution is to tackle the broken legislation, to bring it in line with the current real world landscape.

    You cannot enforce the law by breaking the law.

    You cannot detect all crime but you can deter a lot of it.






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    I'm happy to hear what you think may deter black youths, usually born in other countries and with different cultural attitudes, from stabbing each other, because it is getting worse.

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    I’d love to get involved In this thread but it all winds me up to much. Should let the police do their job if they stop more aspiring rappers and wanna be gangsters then so be it , it’s Cos I imagine their statistically more likely to be carrying a weapon. I live in London , I grew up being stopped and searched I learnt how to clench my weed but none of us were every carrying a game of thrones style knife ready to kill over a postcode. Let em kill each other as long as they keep it up the park like the good old days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger-bud View Post
    I’d love to get involved In this thread but it all winds me up to much. Should let the police do their job if they stop more aspiring rappers and wanna be gangsters then so be it , it’s Cos I imagine their statistically more likely to be carrying a weapon. I live in London , I grew up being stopped and searched I learnt how to clench my weed but none of us were every carrying a game of thrones style knife ready to kill over a postcode. Let em kill each other as long as they keep it up the park like the good old days
    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger-bud View Post
    I’d love to get involved In this thread but it all winds me up to much. Should let the police do their job if they stop more aspiring rappers and wanna be gangsters then so be it , it’s Cos I imagine their statistically more likely to be carrying a weapon. I live in London , I grew up being stopped and searched I learnt how to clench my weed but none of us were every carrying a game of thrones style knife ready to kill over a postcode. Let em kill each other as long as they keep it up the park like the good old days
    Bunch of pussies most of them. No I wouldn't say that to their faces but there's no old school gangsters in control of the streets now. These fucks would get taught a lesson back in the day.

    The Krays came up here and we fucked them off without involving the Police







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    Ya search 1000 peeps and remove one knife off the streets is a good enough reason for stop and search. I hope none of you ever have to deal with death as someone close to is running through your fingers because they have been stabbed. That warm wet feeling is not nice. Listening to them last breaths is the worst thing ever. Bring boxing back into school give the police and the judges more power and we need a good youth scheme and clubs with decent ( no peados ) people who can be mentors to some of these troubled kids. If a couple of houses in your neighbourhood had been robbed and a couple of grannies raped because they was in while being robbed and it turned out it was a white transit van reported in the area and outside the house would you not want the police in that area stopping white transit vans .


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    Quote Originally Posted by gardro View Post
    Bunch of pussies most of them. No I wouldn't say that to their faces but there's no old school gangsters in control of the streets now. These fucks would get taught a lesson back in the day.

    The Krays came up here and we fucked them off without involving the Police







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    Ya read street fighter man or anything by Jimmy the weed gardo . Ya a northern lad like myself. Manchester?


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    Quote Originally Posted by British green View Post
    Ya read street fighter man or anything by Jimmy the weed gardo . Ya a northern lad like myself. Manchester?


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    Born and bred Longsight but miss the place now.

    Not read but will look out for it mate.








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    Default Boy, 14, stabbed to death in Waltham Forest, north-east London

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    Born and bred Longsight but miss the place now.

    Not read but will look out for it mate.








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    A like longshight levenshumle Whithington a mostoner myself but moved up the hill towards saddleworth and Bach down the hill now. If ya see the books gardo read them old school manchester who fucked the krays off .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginger-bud View Post
    I’d love to get involved In this thread but it all winds me up to much. Should let the police do their job if they stop more aspiring rappers and wanna be gangsters then so be it , it’s Cos I imagine their statistically more likely to be carrying a weapon. I live in London , I grew up being stopped and searched I learnt how to clench my weed but none of us were every carrying a game of thrones style knife ready to kill over a postcode. Let em kill each other as long as they keep it up the park like the good old days
    Isn't that a reasonable excuse to carry a knife? Being ginger I mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentina View Post
    I've got to admit that besides Hotshot, I am surprised that no one else here has so far shown interest in the Stop and Search aspect of the case.

    It'll only escalate, just give it time.

    Another Occupy thing or another bunch of riots, that's when it will be expected and the masses would be grateful for the "safety measures".

    The older generation that survived WW2 or other major cultural changes are getting older now and are not gonna be as active, and the young'uns? History is gonna repeat itself.
    There you go Val.... happy now? Close this shit down please lol

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