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    Default BLOODY HELL! Things just got interesting!

    Ok, leaving policy and everything to one side, please may I beg your indulgence?

    This election is going to be a mile stone, I'm sure of this. I've been trawling the net as I'm sure most of you have:

    First off, ignore the fact the second debate was on Sky News, the Fox network basically. Anyone familiar with the Bush/Gore election just before 9/11? In a nut shell, the Fox network single handedly got Bush elected even though Gore was announced the winner and won every high court appeal going. People still do not know why or how Bush won... well we do... it was Rupert Murdoch! Please watch Fahrenheit 9/11; please.

    So, take the fact the Sun has pushed libel and pure shit to smear Lib Dems, mixed with the fact that Murdoch has already won two US elections AT LEAST!....

    I checked the polls directly after the debate, they showed Cameron won and was on 36%, Clegg 32% Brown was shot in the paddock for being an ugly toad.

    These polls were instant, hmm, go figure. Yougov, sky news, all polls tallied up.

    Then the independent results came in, channel 4 have Clegg down as 54%!! And across the board with the other independent results are the same. Can you see where I'm going?

    Twitter is rife: Stephen Fry has spoken, therefore we shall listen! lol:

    Frankly I'm tempted to vote Lib Dem now. If we let the Telegraph and Mail win, well, freedom and Britain die.

    Another comment that is being retweeted like crazy:

    It's a dangerous game YouGov/Sky/The Sun are playing, surely? To misreport something that 10m people have just watched with their own eyes.

    The Lib Dems are not supposed to get in, take any other reason out of the equation, this is getting close to the revolution now, we've got to fight back! I don't want to be America Mark II over this, this is getting concerning.

    Also, this piece is quite poignant too.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ggs_fault.html


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    Love it!

    Lib dems drugs policy btw:

    ~http://act.libdems.org.uk/group/libe...ource=activity

    Adopting a policy of not prosecuting possession for own use, social supply to
    adults or cultivation of cannabis plants for own use.
    Repealing Sections 8 (c) and (d) of the Misuse of Drugs Act so that it is no longer a
    crime for the occupier or manager of premises to permit someone to use cannabis
    on those premises.

    Maybe Murdoch has shares in cotton companies as well.
    to dare is to do

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    Anyone with a facebook or twitter, I think this clip needs posting and made aware of:



    Another quote I love...

    "Daily Mail poll just in, Cameron 103%, Brown 0%, Clegg Nein."

    Frank, I would money on the fact Murdoch has an interest in alcohol, tobacco, and dare I push the boat out... the paper industry?! lol

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    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22205306/

    Bullying right-wing media bosses invaded the Independent’s offices after the newspaper attacked David Cameron’s backroom deal with US-based mogul Rupert Murdoch.

    The Aussie-born billionaire’s son James and flame-haired sidekick Rebekah Brooks strode into the newsroom brandishing the paper with the headline Rupert Murdoch Won’t Decide The Election – You Will.

    The wild-eyed duo then started to harangue bemused editor Simon Kelner in a foul-mouthed tirade.

    Murdoch Jnr, 37, who runs Sky TV and his dad’s right-wing papers The Sun and The Times, accused Kelner of “impugning our family name” and shouted: “you’re a f****** f***wit.”

    The crazed duo then threatened to “expose” the Independent’s owner, ex-KGB agent Alexander Lebedev.

    They also ranted about online Indie ads which said: “A few people count too much. Rupert Murdoch controls 40% of the Press in Britain. On May 6 he will throw the weight of the country’s two biggest newspapers behind one party.”

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    Ironically, the ads were the brainchild of PR outfit Freud Communications, whose portly owner Matthew Freud is married to Murdoch Jnr’s sister Lis.

    One Independent source said yesterday: “They were in full fingerjabbing mode and virtually frothing at the mouth. None of us had seen anything like it. And bearing in mind the number of people they have impugned over the years, it was a little rich to say the least.

    "The mini mogul is happy for his scandal sheets to dish out criticism, but can’t take it himself. He lost all control.”

    Rupert Murdoch, 79, agreed to support Mr Cameron last September on the condition he dismantles parts of the BBC and scraps TV watchdog Ofcom if he reaches No10.

    But from the moment he endorsed Mr Cameron the Tory leader’s fortunes have plummeted.

    Senior Tory Boris Johnson told friends yesterday he had been told by senior Murdoch executives that their decision to back Cameron had been “a complete disaster”.

    Tory grandees also blame the Murdoch factor for turning people off their leader. And so desperate are the Murdochs to shore up their candidate, they have run a series of laughable character assassinations of Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg in The Sun.

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    And the hits keep on coming!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8601711.stm

    Murdoch agreed to back Cameron in September, they agreed on the terms that if Cameron got in, Ofcom will be scrapped. Voting the tories in will relinquish the last free will we have.

    How close is the Conservative party to the Murdoch media empire?
    The question has been brought into sharp focus by Ofcom's long-awaited Pay TV report, which has ordered BSkyB to cut its charges for Sky Sports.
    Last summer, as the media regulator gathered evidence for its pay-TV review, Conservative leader David Cameron said that Ofcom "as we know it, would cease to exist" if his party came into power,
    Said Mr Cameron: "Give Ofcom, or give a new body, the technical function of handing out the licences and regulating, lightly, the content that's on the screens. But it shouldn't be making policy, it shouldn't have its own communications department.
    "The head of Ofcom is paid almost half a million pounds. We could slim this body down a huge amount and save a lot of money for the taxpayer."
    BBC's future
    Accusations - hotly denied by the Tories - have been made that Conservative media policy is in effect being written by Rupert Murdoch and his son James - the chairman of BSkyB, chief executive of the Sun's owners News International, and not a fan of Ofcom.
    Labour claimed there'd been a deal on media policy after the Sun newspaper switched its allegiance to the Conservatives.
    A few weeks after Mr Cameron's comments, James Murdoch launched an outspoken attack on the BBC.
    Then shadow culture secretary Jeremy Hunt caused more alarm when he said the Conservatives would replace the BBC Trust if they came to power, and were considering whether to "rip up" the BBC Charter.

    There are some things we agree with [the Murdochs] on, and some things we disagree with them on
    Jeremy Hunt, Tory culture spokesman
    He's since said they'd let the Charter run its course, to ensure the BBC's independence - but would the Tories allow Ofcom's ruling against Sky to stand?
    Culture Secretary Ben Bradshaw said governments should not interfere with regulators.
    "I think that's a principle that matters greatly and I'm worried that the Conservatives have variously said they would abolish Ofcom, they would reduce its powers, and since this report, there's been a deafening silence from the Conservatives about what they would do."
    So I asked Jeremy Hunt, the Tories' culture spokesman, exactly what they would do about the Ofcom ruling?
    "We are absolutely clear that these kinds of matters are a matter for regulators, not for politicians, " he told me.
    "Where you have competition issues like [the Ofciom ruling], they are obviously highly sensitive and it's incredibly important that they are made by people who can't in any way be influenced or leaned on.
    "So that is one of the categories of decision that we have said must be made by an independent regulator and not by politicians."
    Ministerial control
    And yet David Cameron has said Ofcom would be cut back, if Ofcom even exists in future. What did he mean by that and what is the policy?
    "We feel that people elect governments and ministers to make the decisions on big policy issues. So we've said we want the policy-making functions of quangos like Ofcom and the Arts Council to be returned to ministers.

    David Cameron has pledged to change Ofcom if he becomes prime minister
    "For matters of policy we think it should be ministers that make the decision but for competition issues it's obviously very important it should be done at arms' length from politicians."
    But some people say the Tories are in hock to Rupert Murdoch - the Sun has come out in favour of the Conservatives - that their media policy is being written by Rupert and James Murdoch.
    "It's absolute nonsense," said Mr Hunt. "There is a great conspiracy theory that's been particularly peddled in the Guardian but I think you just have to look at the whole record.
    "Eighteen months ago David Cameron wrote an article in the Sun of all places, defending the principle of the licence fee. This is not someone who is trying to suck up the Murdochs.
    "If you remember, James Murdoch's McTaggart Lecture in Edinburgh was explicitly criticising the existence of the licence fee. So there are some things we agree with them on, and some things we disagree with them on."
    Mr Hunt accuses Labour of sour grapes at losing the Murdochs' support.
    As for the BBC, though he and David Cameron insist they're great fans of the Corporation, he says they'll expect it to take a much tighter grip on the purse strings, if they come to power.



    F**k me, Skotty is going to have a field day with this, as crazy as that old bean is, he's being proven right with each passing day.

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    This piece needs a read! The sun are censoring public information! I can well imagine I'm boring/pissing most of you off, but we are in the realms of Hitler style methods, this can't be allowed, countries have gone to war over far less!

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1951940.html

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    outlaw some fine post there chap!

    lib dems for me anyway even before i knew dave and clown had there fingers in pie's i just hope the rest of the uk dose the same.....on another nore though if they want dave in they`l just rig it wont they
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    NAO- apart from registering with sky is there any other way to watch last nights debate??
    me n mrs BL ended up in the pub last night so we missed it... doh.. bad hangoverrrrr.....

    looked on youtube but cant seem to find it. copyright take-down request from sky maybe....????

    think its a bit of an insult that u need to register and pay with sky to access this info.

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    they did repeat it later in the evening on the bbc so you didnt have to be a sky subscriber

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    They talked about that yesterday on R4. In fact R4 broadcast the debate live. With Freeview you can get Sky News for free. I had it on in the living room & watched it live. Get yourself a Freeview box, M8. They're only about 20 quid. Outstanding value for money.

    (The delay between the analogue signal from the radio in my kitchen & the digital signal on the telly made for a surreal doppler-like experience after a pipe or two...)

    Apparently the Beeb were offered it by Sky but turned them down. They said if they had shown it live on TV they would have had to re-organise loads more minority party coverage in order to stay balanced (as they have to according to their charter).
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    i got a freeview box... not going to panic if i dont see it. plenty of news coverage today about it. seems to be an even match up last night from the news, but i really can comment on it.

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    ballanced coverage from the bbc ? BAH!

    what about the SNP ? and others that got shoved to the side ? with the first debate that was on bbc

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    You are all going to get very dissapointed that you can't do fuck all about it and will never be able to - If you think voting actually matters then pooor you

    Just keep your heads down amongst your plants and watch the world fuck itself up infront of your very eyes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sci-Pe View Post
    You are all going to get very dissapointed that you can't do fuck all about it and will never be able to - If you think voting actually matters then pooor you

    Just keep your heads down amongst your plants and watch the world fuck itself up infront of your very eyes
    and the answer is sit back and lit big bro stamp on our rights more? i disagree 100% how gvrmt works but by voting for a party i *hope" might not be so currupt as the bastards in just now

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    Quote Originally Posted by bucketluggs View Post
    NAO- apart from registering with sky is there any other way to watch last nights debate??
    me n mrs BL ended up in the pub last night so we missed it... doh.. bad hangoverrrrr.....

    looked on youtube but cant seem to find it. copyright take-down request from sky maybe....????

    think its a bit of an insult that u need to register and pay with sky to access this info.
    Try here - http://video.news.sky.com/skynews/vi...ULL-220410.flv

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father jack View Post
    ballanced coverage from the bbc ? BAH!

    what about the SNP ? and others that got shoved to the side ? with the first debate that was on bbc
    well i watched the rerun on the bbc in the evening and as soon as the full debate finished they did interview a snp bloke ,a green party , ukip , the welsh one i cant spell and even bnp . and tbh they all talked a load of pish and slagged off the three main parties without mentioning any of their own parties policies apart from the welsh one .
    anyway apart from that why would anyone in england want to watch 90 minutes of the snp ? if a party was only standing for seats in england would the scottish like to watch them for 90 mins? im not knocking the snp as i dont know anything about them , but to the vast majority of the electorate in this country they are just not relevant.

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    cheers for that mystery. will watch it later. cant concentrate just now due to hang-over.... nasty beer....

    i get ur point bergkamp. as far as im aware the question of devolution has been touted about by salmond.. he is determined to separate from westminster.
    if that happens u can expect scotland to join the euro soon after it whether england does or not.

    pity donald dewar past away all them yrs ago. would be in the euro well b4 now if he was still alive....

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    i have to say what a fine post you have done new age outlaw in bringing to peoples attention just a glimpse of what can be done and has been done for the past century when you have the powers you see its people like you and mysel countless others who know whats really going on who brings certain info to peoples attention in the hope of waking them up its not conspiracy theories its actuall stuff thats happening and has happened

    its all rigged folks ive been screaming this shit for ages voting does not matter its a gimmick to make you think that you are being involved to make a change its all a false reality you all beleive in something that is staged and people still wanna join in seriously we need a change i agree but you aint gonna get it by trying to play them at their own game we have to unite and make a stand against this shit like i said before im ready and waiting as soon as i see enough people waking up and getting their eyes opened im gonna be on the front line demanding my freedoms back with them. the biggest factor in all this is us the people because it is us the people who pay our taxes and are taxed on everything that keeps this system in place they need us more than we need them.

    if you do watch last nights debates watch the 1st 20 mins when all 3 parties talk about the eu and how we need it and we aint never coming out of it because its 1 step closer to globalistaion

    on a more serious note have you noticed how many foreginers now own some of the biggest business in the uk??

    football clubs, cadbury, natinal lottery , ariiva to name a few have all been sold off to overseas businessmen this is globalistaion its happeing and its being put in place as we speak eventually there will be no need for our goverment as we will just have the eu as a ruling body over all the countries spain france germany etc etc and its all being done right under our noses and we aint doing fukall about it this is the wakeup call folks i cant sit back and do nothing about it i want at least try and say i made an effort to tell people



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    You're very right, Skotty, if this doesn't start the wake up call nothing will.

    Cheers guys, I'm sorry this is all in an extended thread, this site really needs a longer edit function! lol.

    A couple more bits to look over:



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight...4/polling.html

    It has been predetermined since September that the Tories were getting in, it's that simple.

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    Sky leaders' debate spin room: the live abortion of democracy:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...rue#comment-51

    Ofcom had complaints over Clegg treatment (this is the Ofcom that would be dissolved under Conservatives/Murdoch)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...com-sky-debate

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