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    Benefit: Phosphorus does a lot of things for the plant. One of the most important parts of Phosphorus is: It aids in root growth and influences the vigor of the plant and is
    one of the most important elements in flowering as well helps to germinate seedlings.
    Phosphorus is an essential plant nutrient, and since it is needed in large amounts, it is classified as a macronutrient. Phosphorus is a MAJOR important nutrient in the plants reproductive stages. Without this element the plants will have a lot of problems blooming without proper levels of Phosphorus.


    When your plants are deficient in phosphorus, this can overall reduce the size of your plants. Not enough causes slow growth and causes the plant to become weak, to little amount of Phosphorus causes slow growths in leaves that may or may not drop off. The edges all around the leaves or half of the leaves can be brownish and work its way inwards a bit causing the part of the leaves to curl up in the air a bit. Fan leaves will show dark greenish/purplish and yellowish tones along with a dullish blue color to them. Sometimes the stems can be red, along with red petioles that can happen when having a Phosphorus deficiency. This isn’t a sure sure sign of you having one though, but can be a sign. Some strains just show the red petioles and stems from its genes.
    So pretty much the overall dark green color with a purple, red, or blue tint to the fan leaves is a good sign of a Phosphorus deficiency. Having Cold weather (below 50F/10C) can make phosphorous absorption very troublesome for plants.
    Many people get a Phosphorus deficiency confused with a fungus problem because the ends of the leaves look like a fungus problem, But the damage occurs at the end of the leaves. side of the leaves and has a glass like feeling to it as if it had a ph problem. Parts affected by a phosphorus deficiency are: Older Leaves, Whole plant, Petioles.

    Too much Phosphorus levels affect plant growth by suppressing the uptake of: Iron, potassium and Zinc, potentially causing deficiency symptoms of these nutrients to occur def in plants. A Zinc deficiency is most common under excessive phosphorus conditions,
    As well as causing other nutrients to have absorption troubles like zinc and copper. Phosphorus fluctuates when concentrated and combined with calcium



    Problems with Phosphorus being locked out by PH troubles
    Cold wet soils, acid or very alkaline soils, compacted soil.


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    Phosphorus gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
    Phosphorus is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-7.5 (wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus deficiency.


    Hydro and Soil less Mediums

    Phosphorus gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 6.0-8.5.
    Phosphorus is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 5.8. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Phosphorus Deficiency.



    Solution to fixing a Phosphorus deficiency

    Some deficiency during flowering is normal, but too much shouldn't be tolerated. Any chemical or organic fertilizers that have Phosphorus in them will fix a Phosphorus deficiency. If you have a phosphorus deficiency you should use any N-P-K ratio that is over 5.Again Peters all purpose 20-20-20 is a good mix. Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Other forms of phosphorus supplements are: Bone meal, which is gradual absorption, I suggest making it into a tea for faster use, where bone/blood meal is slow acting, but when made into a tea it works quicker! Fruit eating bat guano, which is fast absorption, Worm castings, which is gradual absorption, Fish meal, which is medium absorption, Soft Rock Phosphate, which is medium absorption, Jamaican or Indonesian Guano, which is fast absorption. Crabshell, which is slow absorption. Tiger Bloom , which is fast absorption.

    Here is a list of things to help fix a Phosphrus Deficiency.

    Chemical

    Advanced nutrients Bloom (0-5-4)
    Vita Bloom (0-7-5)
    BC Bloom (1.1-4.4-7)
    GH Flora Bloom (0-5-4)
    GH Maxi Bloom (5-15-14)
    GH Floranova Bloom (4-8-7)
    Dyna-Gro Bloom (3-12-6)
    Fox Farm Tiger Bloom (2-8-4)
    Awsome Blossums

    Organic

    Dr. Hornby's Iguana Juice Bloom (4-3-6)
    Advanced Nutrients Mother Earth Bloom (.5-1.5-2)
    Fox Farm Big Bloom (.01-.3-.7)
    Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
    Pure Blend Bloom (2.5-2-5)
    Pure Blend Pro Bloom (2.5-2-5)
    Buddswell (0-7-0)
    Sea Island Jamaican Bat Guano (1-10-0)
    Indonesian Bat Guano (0-13-0)
    Rainbow Mix Bloom (1-9-2)
    Earth Juice Bloom (0-3-1)
    BIO BLOOM (2-6-3.5)
    AGE OLD BLOOM (5-10-5)
    ALASKA MORBLOOM (0-10-10)
    METANATURALS ORGANIC BLOOM (1-5-5)


    Any of these will cure your phosphorus deficiency. Affected leaves will not show recovery but new growth will appear normal.


    Now if you added to much chemical ferts and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.


    Note: Blood Meal, Dried Blood, Guanos, Kelp Meal, Cotton Seed Meal, Peat Moss,
    Sulfur and fish meal are all acidic and can bring your ph down, so if you add these please monitor your ph when using those.

    Note: Bone Meal, Rock Phosphate, Wood Ashes pretty much all ashes, Shellfish Compost and Crab Meal are all alkaline and can make your ph go up, so if you add any of these please monitor your ph.




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    hey, i know this is quite old but my plant is showing weird blotchy type marks on the two bottomest fan leaves. I had absolutely no idea what it could be till i looked at this. I watered it at 7am this morning right before i turned the light s out, there was no marks, when i turned the lights back on at 7pm they were there. Could it be because the soil got a bit cold?? its in plagron batmix and has only been fed water. any help would be amazing!!!thanks

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    I was hoping to hear a solution to HomeGrownHomer's leaf problem as im sure it sounds similar to my problem.

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    Possibly burn from splashing nutes on the fan leaves when you watered? Sounds like it's happened to quick to be anything else.. Pictures would help

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    Hi all

    So the next clue goes a little something like this.


    You will find me at the club and the lights will make the tricomes grow. It has an extra letter though.
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    with wilma 4 pot in air pots

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    I believe I have the same problem as HomeGrownHomer.
    Similar story, I think one of the fan leaves mustve gotten wet in the process.
    Although, I have noticed small vivid sellow spots appearing on another leaf? Is this normal for P def too?
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    Hello boys today and after 23 days dreaming with the perfect first crop, I got today the first alarm in my beauties.
    I do think is a problem with phosphorus.
    But at the moment I don't have any way to check ph from the soil.
    Been feeding just water at ph of 5.5/5.6
    Temp day around 26c/27c night come to 22
    Humidity day between 65/70 night 50
    Just feed first time with grow big farm fox 2 days ago and it was 1ml in 1.5l split by booth them.
    I will post photos and I would like to know is that any thing to worried about or is just normal.
    Forgot to tell the crop is berry boom.
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    And the compost it was made by me.
    20l pots
    10l JI n2 verve
    5l Cana soil seed mix
    3.5l perlite
    1.5 vermiculite
    70g fish blood & bone, I do no that is alkaline and can drop the ph and if it's too low can lock out the absorption of the phosphorus.
    But I don't think that small amount can do that.
    I have tiger bloom that I can add to the feed but I'm afraid to go to sun, and make another issues to the plant.
    Any help please.

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    No phosphurous def there buddy...more like start of a bit of mottlin from cal or mag deff,or even better all that water sittin on ur leaves can leave simaler marks..

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