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    Hi, I have a question to which I could not find an answer.

    I have enough space indoors, use one 400 W HPS (5 plants) and I wonder whether it is more efficient to let the plants grow for longer in veg and thus they become bigger.

    Or whether it is better to just put them in the flowering after 1 month from germinating.

    What is the period after germination (after which I put them into flowering) that would lead to highest yields? --- Again, indoors, but with basically unlimited space!

    Thanks for advice!

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    Hi Kurupt
    I let my plant/plants go for 6weeks veg thats once cuttings have rooted so if i was going from germination then it would be 10 weeks veg as it takes about a month for the plant to get through the seedling stage
    For me it seems the longer i veg for the more yield i get

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    The answer is yes, providing you have adequate lighting. No point in vegging for 6 weeks and hving a 6ft plant with a 250w hps sitting at the top. Also training the plant so each branch is getting good light penetration helps. It helps if you trim the lower 3rd of the plant, ibstead of having scraggly little buds that are useless at the end.

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    less plants more space = more bud everyone thinks more plants more bud in my opinion it's wrong there all fighting for the air and light. when I started I got a 1.2m x 1.2m tent an someone told me it would hold 14 plants so a did what he said 14 it was an I got 14z my second grow a dint listen to him an did it off my own back with 4 plants and ended up with 18z in the Same tent same light air this is how a know. hope it helps mate

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    I only have 3 plants under my 400w hps the least vegged one was 7wks, she now looks half the size "bud wise" of the other two that have been vegged for 10wks ..... Sometimes less is more

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    Quote Originally Posted by popeye4th View Post
    less plants more space = more bud everyone thinks more plants more bud in my opinion it's wrong there all fighting for the air and light. when I started I got a 1.2m x 1.2m tent an someone told me it would hold 14 plants so a did what he said 14 it was an I got 14z my second grow a dint listen to him an did it off my own back with 4 plants and ended up with 18z in the Same tent same light air this is how a know. hope it helps mate
    Thanks for the info, btw the yields you mention (14 and 18z) seem enormous to me. I was/am expecting to get like an ounce a plant. Is that too low?
    Can you please tell me the following about your grow?
    What light you use (I mean how much W)
    How big of a pots do you have?
    How tall were your plants at the end (were they sativa or indica)?
    And how long did you let them grow from germination to flowering?

    Thaks for the tutoring!

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    assuming you're growing in soil or coco Kurupt, I'd say top them after they have 2-3 sets of nodes. This make each side branch behave more like an individual plant I reckon. After about 4 weeks veg, drill holes in the sides of the pots around the brim. Then tie some string around a 3rd of the way up each branch and then pass the other end of the string through the hole and tie it so its pulling the branch down and outwards. Do this on all of them and adjust them so each bud tip if the same height when you're in flower, then trim the lower 1/3 of the plant.

    I'll go up and take a pic for you of mine which I've done the exact same on.

    This be the best way for you, other than a scrog.

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    Here are two of my Delahaze girls, you can see each branch is roughly the same level/height. Had I not topped and trained her, she'd be about 5ft tall with one main cola, meaning the surrounding branches wouldn't be getting as good light.


    This is how I got the canopy even.You can also see the lower parts of the branches are stripped of any growth. To focus energy on the top colas and make harvesting that bit easier


    Here are the holes I drilled for the LST'ing


    Here you can see I topped her very early in her growth. Be gentle when LST'ing. You can see I split the branches from being too heavy on her, but she's a tough girl and recovered nicely.
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    Thanks flygerian88,

    the pics are cool. I'll do the same thing with mine.
    How much (dry product) on average do you get from a plant like the one in the pic.

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    Really don't know mate, never done coco before. I have only grown in bubblers and hempy buckets aswell as a few outdoor grows years back. Bubblers on average gave me 6oz per plant and that was with a lot of errors. I'm still a noob myself really. Are you using coco?

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    I'm using a soil.

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    Yea you'll be fine doing this with soil mate. You may or may not get the same results yield wise with soil, but it'll be easier and possibly better tasting too. What nutes you using and what soil. A 1 month veg will be enough. Just be careful you don't have more than 5 cos the 400w doesn't cover as large as space than the 600w.

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    I vegged my big bud#1 for 31 days, she is flying now, but if you have unlimited space veg it for as long as you want, you can always lst if they get too big
    Yes the longer you veg th more you will yield

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    I think there is a stage where you can over veg plants, not often discussed.
    If I vegged for 3 months, then my pissy 400/drobe is unlikely to be able to penetrate lower sites and there won't be enough space in the drobe for them to reap the benefits in flowering.
    Generally, longer veg = bigger buds, but the light and space are always yield restrictions.

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    I have found longer veg periods give bigger yields. I have been growing Super lemon haze which has a 10 week flower and I veg the next crop for ten weeks. I am also backing up my 600w lighting with red led disco rope light which you can position how ever you want under the canopy and I have got results on the lower branches. Rope lights are also cheap around 15-30 and do not use a lot of electricity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flygerian88 View Post
    Here are two of my Delahaze girls, you can see each branch is roughly the same level/height. Had I not topped and trained her, she'd be about 5ft tall with one main cola, meaning the surrounding branches wouldn't be getting as good light.


    This is how I got the canopy even.You can also see the lower parts of the branches are stripped of any growth. To focus energy on the top colas and make harvesting that bit easier


    Here are the holes I drilled for the LST'ing


    Here you can see I topped her very early in her growth. Be gentle when LST'ing. You can see I split the branches from being too heavy on her, but she's a tough girl and recovered nicely.
    excellent plants fella can i ask what size of pots are they and how many watts did u use to get 18oz cheers weedbhoy

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    @ flygerian you could of just gaffa taped that branch together also and it would have healed together.

    lamps are also important a 600w puts out just under twice the amount of lumens than a 400w.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WEEDBHOY View Post
    excellent plants fella can i ask what size of pots are they and how many watts did u use to get 18oz cheers weedbhoy
    Cheers mate. They are 11L pots. Still got another 4-6 weeks on them before I chop. Nowhere near 18oz though in these as theyre in coco. Using a 600w HPS. Got 2blue cheese vegging in their 5th week in 18L coco pots. Gonna do they same training method on them

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