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    I noticed during my last grow in the late veg stage, that I had forgotten to remove one of those hard plastic ties (used for hand-cuffs in the military), which I had used earlier in the grow to tie and train branches to a bent metal hanger. What happened though, is that two large, fat knuckles formed on each side of the tie that the branch had grown into and around, instead of one knuckle like from crushing a branch in traditional supercropping. Just after I flipped the lights though, I had to take a trip to the hospital for pneaumonia and ended up cancelling the grow. So now I am back into another grow and I am wrapping the ties deliberately around branches about one inch from their internodes. I am hoping it will 1) slowly crush the branch in order to create a fat nute/water super-highway, or at least 2) stress the plant at a very moderate rate.
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    Hi, I think instead of creating a "fat nute/water super-highway" you are doing the opposite, as the branch thickens the plastic tie becomes tighter and the flow is restricted. Supercropping allows the plant to repair itself, where as using plastic ties doesn't, once they become tight, you won't be able to remove them without damaging the plant.

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    like tying a noose round your neck, your gonna try harder to breathe but its no use lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percy Grower View Post
    Hi, I think instead of creating a "fat nute/water super-highway" you are doing the opposite, as the branch thickens the plastic tie becomes tighter and the flow is restricted. Supercropping allows the plant to repair itself, where as using plastic ties doesn't, once they become tight, you won't be able to remove them without damaging the plant.
    Thanks, that is a valid argument... whether it does more harm than good by choking the branch without allowing the opportunity to repair itself. Or, whether it is cutting off the vascular tissue on the outside without even damaging the solid center anyway. But what about the two large "knuckles?" Do you think the bottle-necking left behind by the tie is so restrictive on the flow of nutes/water, that the two knuckles make no difference by opening it back up?

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    Sounds like an experiment in the making. Give it a try on a couple of branches and see what happens, you never know,

    Funny enough I just posted this clippit in another post, its from one of my diaries

    When in early flower I nearly ripped a couple of branches off at the join accidentally
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    I just let it grow and those couple of branches produced some of the biggest buds there.
    I thought they would have died but it seemed to give them a boost lol

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    lol... you know, you can also have that same effect by leaning the plant (not quite LST because there is no bending involved) in the opposite direction of the branch you want to fatten up. It will fatten up especially around the internode like in your pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtmozFearGREEN View Post
    Thanks, that is a valid argument... whether it does more harm than good by choking the branch without allowing the opportunity to repair itself. Or, whether it is cutting off the vascular tissue on the outside without even damaging the solid center anyway. But what about the two large "knuckles?" Do you think the bottle-necking left behind by the tie is so restrictive on the flow of nutes/water, that the two knuckles make no difference by opening it back up?
    Id reckon so myself yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricone View Post
    Thanks! Read the whole convo. I left my ties on for about five days (look at my pics) and took them off yesterday... will let you know what happens to the "prints" they left behind. I didn't want to take the chance leaving them on longer; this particular plant is important to me because I'm gonna use it as a mother. It is a good, strong plant with good genes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtmozFearGREEN View Post
    Thanks, that is a valid argument... whether it does more harm than good by choking the branch without allowing the opportunity to repair itself. Or, whether it is cutting off the vascular tissue on the outside without even damaging the solid center anyway. But what about the two large "knuckles?" Do you think the bottle-necking left behind by the tie is so restrictive on the flow of nutes/water, that the two knuckles make no difference by opening it back up?
    Yes I do think if you leave the ties on they'll restrict the flow as the branch thickens, I also think they'll create a week spot in the branch, a heavy bud will put that thinner part of the branch under a lot of strain.

    But judging by your last post, you cut the ties off the day before you started this thread

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    Why not use very thin but strong wire, wrap it around the trunk/branches loosely (like you would a bonzai tree) and allow the plant to absorb the wire into itself, giving your branches super support (like steel beams in a sky scraper), no need for netting to hold them buds! Hehe. If the whole plant swelled up too instead of cutting off it's circulation, would be a beast hehe.

    but yes, in theory you are cutting off the plants water supply, the cambium layer of a plant is rarely even 0.1 of a mm, it does not take alot of damage and this is a methodvandils use to distroy trees, the knuckle may look like its "bigger and stronger" than the previous vascular system but that growth is energy the plant had to waste to save its branch from strangelation, there is a change if left the growth will be able to grow around the wire/string and create a new cambium connection to the branch before it dies, but there also a chance it wont and the branch will die before repairs are done...

    If however, the plant was healthly, you had nice air flow and weight on your branches, they would put on all around growth along the entire branch, rather than just the knuckle, but you never notice this benefit as it is normal, without damage being done.

    But thats woody plants, trees ect, who the hell knows with cannbis! Its a magical plant and it does not do whats always expected of it!


    So, what we need now yuou lot is a time machine, once done, we go back and stop the damage, and compair results :P

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    Them plastic ties as i see it, are making a nice easy flow for the plant to suck up more fluid like adding an extra pump if you will....making the restriction larger maybe an idea!

    I left a tie down wire on the main branch and knuckles formed either side, removed now with no ill effects here even after supercroping!

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    just to add 3/4 weeks into flower i did supercroping!

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    Why not have the best of both worlds and just loosely tie some garden string or whatever around the branches in question and pull them down to the desired position, this way nothing is harmed, you just have an opened up plant that allows you to lower the light nearer to the more budsites that are on show.
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