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Hoopla
16-05-09, 02:39 PM
Found something I found quite interesting:

"Fine-tuning temperature and water for maximum quantity and quality.

Why waste light and electricity growing stem? Stretched-out plants are the bane of indoor growers. There are several ways to reduce internodal length and thus grow denser, more efficient buds.


Temperature control

The easiest and most under-used way to control internodal stretch is temperature control. Plant internodal length is directly related to the difference between day and night temperatures – the warmer your day cycle is as compared to your night cycle, the greater your internode length will be. The opposite also holds true; the closer your day and night temperatures, the shorter your internodes will be. Ever notice how as the warmer summer months approach, your plants begin to stretch? Part of this problem may lie in an overall hotter grow-room, but a larger factor is the increased difference between day and night temperatures.

Lets look at putting this to play in your grow room. Maximum temperatures should ideally never rise above 26°C, so you must do everything you can to prevent your room getting too hot (run lights at night, use exhaust fans, air conditioners, etc). An ideal temperature range is 24-25°C when the lights are on, and 22°C when the lights are off.

The temperature technique is most effective under a 12/12 light regime, which is ideal as this is when cannabis stretches the most. When the light cycle is brought to 12/12 we will raise the night temperature to the daytime level of 24-25°C. Space heaters on timers work well for this, and max/min type thermometers are ideal for
tracking temperatures.

It is during the first 2-3 weeks of the flower cycle that most strains begin to lengthen internodes, making it a very important time to control temperature, as this is when the framework for future colas is built. After this 2-3 week window we need to drop the night temperature back down to 22°C, as this is where the plant is happiest.


As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature, provided it does not exceed optimal. So if you are letting your day temperatures drop below 24°C or your night drop below 22°C, you are costing yourself in overall weight and harvest.

Once your buds have reached optimal size and and you have begun the flushing period, you may consider dropping temperature down to 17-19°C for the final week or two. This drop in temperature triggers anthocyanin production, which intensifies the colour of the floral clusters and makes for a showier bud, especially with "purple" varieties. This final temperature change is not always feasible and can be omitted.

For extreme height control you may even use warmer night temperature than day, but be very careful when running settings like this, as even a zero difference between night and day temperatures will lead to leaf chlorosis (yellowing) after 2-3 weeks.

Some things you will notice while using this technique are a change in the leaf angle, upwards during warm days and downwards during warm nights. There is also the chlorosis if this is done for too long. Neither of these symptoms is nutrient related and will fix themselves when the temperature is changed back.


Moisture and conductivity

Whether you're growing hydro or in soil, the electrical conductivity (EC) and moisture of your medium are two key elements that should be manipulated to meet your needs. Both of these factors are controlling the same thing; the ability of a plant to uptake water and nutrients from the growth medium. (EC measures the level of fertilizer salts in the water.)

A plant grows by first dividing cells then expanding them, and in order to do this it requires water. By limiting the amount of water available to a plant you limit the expansion of cells. This can work for you by keeping your internodes close together, or against you by limiting bud growth. Both the amount of water you give your plants and the EC at which you grow them control the uptake of water.

A plant's roots act much like a pump, using osmotic pressure to move water into the plant. In order for this to work there must be a larger concentration of fertilizer salts in the plant's roots than in the soil or hydroponic solution, so when the medium's level of salt rises above the roots', the plant will wilt. Raising the salt level in the medium closer to that which is in the roots limits the water availability just the same as if we had provided less water.

During the vegetative stage we want our plants to form very tight internodes, especially under artificial lighting. By allowing the EC to drop below ideal during this stage we are wasting valuable space growing stem instead of bud. Most marijuana strains are happiest when grown at an EC of between 1.5 and 1.8, but different strains have different preferences. Try growing one of your plants using straight water for a week or so, you will see the internode length stretch dramatically compared to the ones on a regular fertilizer regime.


Hydroponic tomato growers sometimes will grow their transplants at extremely high EC's (up to 6 EC!) in order to get really nice stocky production plants. Please note that when doing this they use special nutrient formulas designed for this purpose, most of which have potassium to nitrogen ratios of 4:1, much higher than normal, as too much nitrate at this high an EC will easily damage a plant.

(Try this formula if you're interested: calcium nitrate 7 grams, potassium nitrate 0.095 grams, potassium sulphate 9.25 grams, mono potassium phosphate 2.2 gram, magnesium sulphate 5 grams, micromix .02 grams. Slowly raise your EC during veg stage, I would not recommend going above 3 or 4 EC. This is experimental! Do not try on all of your plants at once until you are sure your strain can handle it. All of these ingredients should be available at your local hydroponics store, it is usually called "six pack formula". Be sure to bring your EC back down once you enter floral stage, by the time tufts of pistils are visible you want to be at your ideal EC of 1.5-1.8.)

Try not to change the EC too quickly as a sharp drop can cause root damage. This also goes during your final flushing period when you want to eliminate all fertilizer from the medium – lower the EC over a couple of days, as the sudden change in salt level will harm the roots.

When growing hydroponically, the only way of manipulating water availability is with the EC, while in soil we may also use the moisture level of the medium to the same ends. Many growers are under the mistaken impression that the EC and pH of their nutrient solution remains the same when applied to the soil. This in not the case, and you must test the soil in order to have a true
picture.


To test your soil, take a sample from the center of the root zone at the side of the pot (don't worry the torn roots will be fine). Mix the soil with 2 equal parts distilled water and let sit for 20 minutes. Once the time is up take an EC reading and multiply this number by 2.4 (this takes into account the dilution and the pore space factor) this will give you an accurate picture of the EC the roots are actually being exposed to. The pH should also be checked at this time. It is not feasible in soil to maintain an exact EC at all times, what we need to try and avoid is EC's climbing much above what we want and plants going for long periods with very low EC's.

A frequent mistake marijuana growers make is over-emphasizing the need for a plant grown in soil to dry out completely between waterings. Cannabis does like dry feet but this simply means that the root zone must not be kept extremely wet at all times. Keep in mind that if the soil has an EC of 1.8 and then dries out completely the amount of salt remains the same, causing the EC to double or more.

As a general rule, during the vegetative stage you should keep your plants a little on the drier side as this will restrict cell elongation, creating a shorter noded plant structure capable of creating a dense bud cluster in the floral stage. (Unless of course you are using the high EC method described above, in this case you must not let your soil get too dry because of the increased fertilizer level you will create.) Maintain this level of moisture into the first 14 to 20 days of 12/12 to minimize internode stretch.

As soon as early flowering begins you need to increase soil moisture to a nice evenly moist (not soaked) level to maximize bud expansion. Growing marijuana too dry during this stage will adversely affect your overall yield, as will having too high an EC in the medium.

In these times of government oppression we must make the most efficient use of available growing space in order to produce the copious amounts of cannabis necessary to overflow the boundaries placed upon us. Control your cannabis!"

CBD
16-05-09, 02:48 PM
very interesting, especially the time diff to stretching relationship

good post hoopla thanks

Burntit
17-05-09, 10:06 PM
nah thts bullshit matey

waste of time

Mr Spliffy
18-05-09, 02:48 AM
nah thts bullshit matey

waste of time

:jawdrop: hows bout :thefinger:

No need 2 be rude m8 wheres ur evidence this is bulls**t?

Nice post hoopla man

baza
18-05-09, 03:41 AM
:jawdrop: hows bout :thefinger:

No need 2 be rude m8 wheres ur evidence this is bulls**t?

Nice post hoopla man


where is the evidence to prove its true???
its blatently just a cut / paste from another post. dont mean its true..

even the OP posted it in the wrong section because they dont understant it theirself

Tay
18-05-09, 04:37 AM
originally i was just going to post in here to subscribe to the thread and read it back in the morning but the post above me got me going...



even the OP posted it in the wrong section because they dont understant it theirself

what section would you post this in baz? practically every paragraph relates to indoor growing(if this post has been moved into this section without me knowing, i'll take that back) ...fair enough hoopla has no direct evidence but he is kindly sharing information that he believes will benifit his fellow users. info thats better off without 'burntit' and yourself getting all dickish. show me some evidence that these techniques don't work and then post your bollocks.:rolleye:

jonouk
18-05-09, 05:27 AM
I recognised this straightaway, it originally appears in the book by Dana Larsen, "Grow like a pro" p51,written by DMT I think the article is quite helpful, doesn't suit everyone of course, and I suppose there will be those who disagree. Each to their own and all that. Like a lot of articles, best to read it and take what one can from it, some of it may not even be relevant to a particular grower. When it comes down to it, nearly all growing environments differ to an extent, hence the wide variations in "pro" advice. Nothing is exact about nature, but that is the challenge.

THOMAS CHONG
18-05-09, 08:35 AM
i cant beleive your arguing about this LMFAO

Dredlock
18-05-09, 09:06 AM
Found something I found quite interesting:

"Fine-tuning temperature and water for maximum quantity and quality.

Why waste light and electricity growing stem? Stretched-out plants are the bane of indoor growers. There are several ways to reduce internodal length and thus grow denser, more efficient buds.


Temperature control

The easiest and most under-used way to control internodal stretch is temperature control. Plant internodal length is directly related to the difference between day and night temperatures – the warmer your day cycle is as compared to your night cycle, the greater your internode length will be. The opposite also holds true; the closer your day and night temperatures, the shorter your internodes will be. Ever notice how as the warmer summer months approach, your plants begin to stretch? Part of this problem may lie in an overall hotter grow-room, but a larger factor is the increased difference between day and night temperatures.

Lets look at putting this to play in your grow room. Maximum temperatures should ideally never rise above 26°C, so you must do everything you can to prevent your room getting too hot (run lights at night, use exhaust fans, air conditioners, etc). An ideal temperature range is 24-25°C when the lights are on, and 22°C when the lights are off.

The temperature technique is most effective under a 12/12 light regime, which is ideal as this is when cannabis stretches the most. When the light cycle is brought to 12/12 we will raise the night temperature to the daytime level of 24-25°C. Space heaters on timers work well for this, and max/min type thermometers are ideal for
tracking temperatures.

It is during the first 2-3 weeks of the flower cycle that most strains begin to lengthen internodes, making it a very important time to control temperature, as this is when the framework for future colas is built. After this 2-3 week window we need to drop the night temperature back down to 22°C, as this is where the plant is happiest.


As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature, provided it does not exceed optimal. So if you are letting your day temperatures drop below 24°C or your night drop below 22°C, you are costing yourself in overall weight and harvest.

Once your buds have reached optimal size and and you have begun the flushing period, you may consider dropping temperature down to 17-19°C for the final week or two. This drop in temperature triggers anthocyanin production, which intensifies the colour of the floral clusters and makes for a showier bud, especially with "purple" varieties. This final temperature change is not always feasible and can be omitted.

For extreme height control you may even use warmer night temperature than day, but be very careful when running settings like this, as even a zero difference between night and day temperatures will lead to leaf chlorosis (yellowing) after 2-3 weeks.

Some things you will notice while using this technique are a change in the leaf angle, upwards during warm days and downwards during warm nights. There is also the chlorosis if this is done for too long. Neither of these symptoms is nutrient related and will fix themselves when the temperature is changed back.


Moisture and conductivity

Whether you're growing hydro or in soil, the electrical conductivity (EC) and moisture of your medium are two key elements that should be manipulated to meet your needs. Both of these factors are controlling the same thing; the ability of a plant to uptake water and nutrients from the growth medium. (EC measures the level of fertilizer salts in the water.)

A plant grows by first dividing cells then expanding them, and in order to do this it requires water. By limiting the amount of water available to a plant you limit the expansion of cells. This can work for you by keeping your internodes close together, or against you by limiting bud growth. Both the amount of water you give your plants and the EC at which you grow them control the uptake of water.

A plant's roots act much like a pump, using osmotic pressure to move water into the plant. In order for this to work there must be a larger concentration of fertilizer salts in the plant's roots than in the soil or hydroponic solution, so when the medium's level of salt rises above the roots', the plant will wilt. Raising the salt level in the medium closer to that which is in the roots limits the water availability just the same as if we had provided less water.

During the vegetative stage we want our plants to form very tight internodes, especially under artificial lighting. By allowing the EC to drop below ideal during this stage we are wasting valuable space growing stem instead of bud. Most marijuana strains are happiest when grown at an EC of between 1.5 and 1.8, but different strains have different preferences. Try growing one of your plants using straight water for a week or so, you will see the internode length stretch dramatically compared to the ones on a regular fertilizer regime.


Hydroponic tomato growers sometimes will grow their transplants at extremely high EC's (up to 6 EC!) in order to get really nice stocky production plants. Please note that when doing this they use special nutrient formulas designed for this purpose, most of which have potassium to nitrogen ratios of 4:1, much higher than normal, as too much nitrate at this high an EC will easily damage a plant.

(Try this formula if you're interested: calcium nitrate 7 grams, potassium nitrate 0.095 grams, potassium sulphate 9.25 grams, mono potassium phosphate 2.2 gram, magnesium sulphate 5 grams, micromix .02 grams. Slowly raise your EC during veg stage, I would not recommend going above 3 or 4 EC. This is experimental! Do not try on all of your plants at once until you are sure your strain can handle it. All of these ingredients should be available at your local hydroponics store, it is usually called "six pack formula". Be sure to bring your EC back down once you enter floral stage, by the time tufts of pistils are visible you want to be at your ideal EC of 1.5-1.8.)

Try not to change the EC too quickly as a sharp drop can cause root damage. This also goes during your final flushing period when you want to eliminate all fertilizer from the medium – lower the EC over a couple of days, as the sudden change in salt level will harm the roots.

When growing hydroponically, the only way of manipulating water availability is with the EC, while in soil we may also use the moisture level of the medium to the same ends. Many growers are under the mistaken impression that the EC and pH of their nutrient solution remains the same when applied to the soil. This in not the case, and you must test the soil in order to have a true
picture.


To test your soil, take a sample from the center of the root zone at the side of the pot (don't worry the torn roots will be fine). Mix the soil with 2 equal parts distilled water and let sit for 20 minutes. Once the time is up take an EC reading and multiply this number by 2.4 (this takes into account the dilution and the pore space factor) this will give you an accurate picture of the EC the roots are actually being exposed to. The pH should also be checked at this time. It is not feasible in soil to maintain an exact EC at all times, what we need to try and avoid is EC's climbing much above what we want and plants going for long periods with very low EC's.

A frequent mistake marijuana growers make is over-emphasizing the need for a plant grown in soil to dry out completely between waterings. Cannabis does like dry feet but this simply means that the root zone must not be kept extremely wet at all times. Keep in mind that if the soil has an EC of 1.8 and then dries out completely the amount of salt remains the same, causing the EC to double or more.

As a general rule, during the vegetative stage you should keep your plants a little on the drier side as this will restrict cell elongation, creating a shorter noded plant structure capable of creating a dense bud cluster in the floral stage. (Unless of course you are using the high EC method described above, in this case you must not let your soil get too dry because of the increased fertilizer level you will create.) Maintain this level of moisture into the first 14 to 20 days of 12/12 to minimize internode stretch.

As soon as early flowering begins you need to increase soil moisture to a nice evenly moist (not soaked) level to maximize bud expansion. Growing marijuana too dry during this stage will adversely affect your overall yield, as will having too high an EC in the medium.

In these times of government oppression we must make the most efficient use of available growing space in order to produce the copious amounts of cannabis necessary to overflow the boundaries placed upon us. Control your cannabis!"

Exellent Find Bro keep up the good work and ignore the donkeys above lol Instead of posting anything usful they just go around pullin apart others lol Admin will ban them if they carry on no doubt!!

Dredlock
18-05-09, 09:09 AM
originally i was just going to post in here to subscribe to the thread and read it back in the morning but the post above me got me going...



what section would you post this in baz? practically every paragraph relates to indoor growing(if this post has been moved into this section without me knowing, i'll take that back) ...fair enough hoopla has no direct evidence but he is kindly sharing information that he believes will benifit his fellow users. info thats better off without 'burntit' and yourself getting all dickish. show me some evidence that these techniques don't work and then post your bollocks.:rolleye:

Here Here :)

Hoopla
18-05-09, 10:32 AM
Cheers guys.

Must say, I'm a bit taken aback by a couple of those responses- sounds as if somebody didn't get their Weetabix this morning.


what section would you post this in baz? practically every paragraph relates to indoor growing

I'd like to second that.

And at least there's no mystery about the word "tit" being in the other guy's name.

Eggbox
18-05-09, 12:58 PM
Yeah, people who're flaming Hoopla for that can fuck right off :D :bump:

I think that's a quality post man, cheers. The bit I was most interested was the temp control bit.. Definitely going to give that a go for my next grow.. Also, the high ec thing's interesting too. I thought an ec of 6 was pretty much plant death, but then I guess I was wrong :p

Tay
18-05-09, 01:06 PM
i cant beleive your arguing about this LMFAO

:laugh: look at the time of my post... ever drank buckfast?:rvmp:

Tokey
18-05-09, 02:45 PM
That was an interesting read, thanks for sharing! :)

THOMAS CHONG
18-05-09, 03:10 PM
:laugh: look at the time of my post... ever drank buckfast?:rvmp:

sorry m8 but WAT:stoned-smilie:

Tay
18-05-09, 03:58 PM
lol i meant i was up all night pissed on buckfast... round here the stuff gets called fighting juice:laugh:

http://dlaird.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/buckfast.jpg

^has enough caffine in it to keep a narcoleptic up :p

Eggbox
18-05-09, 04:41 PM
Drink.

Of.

Gods.

:gulp:

Burntit
18-05-09, 04:47 PM
Yeah, people who're flaming Hoopla for that can fuck right off

Erm, no matey
The post is a waste of ppls time plant size dont matter buds will b exactly the same

Eggbox
18-05-09, 04:51 PM
Erm, no matey
The post is a waste of ppls time plant size dont matter buds will b exactly the same

...

And what have research have you got to back this up? :)

Mr Spliffy
18-05-09, 04:54 PM
Erm, no matey
The post is a waste of ppls time plant size dont matter buds will b exactly the same

:rvmp::rvmp::rvmp::rvmp::rvmp::rvmp::rvmp::rvmp: :ban: i feel a trouble maker on the horizon lol

THOMAS CHONG
18-05-09, 04:56 PM
muhahahahaahahahah

CannMan
18-05-09, 05:08 PM
Erm, no matey
The post is a waste of ppls time plant size dont matter buds will b exactly the same


care to enlighten the masses bro? seems hoopla was trying to share information he thought might be useful to some here. all you say is it's a waste of time. why is that? to make statements like that with no supporting information just seems kind of like a msg board troll that likes to stir the pot. I for one would love to hear both sides of this argument, but making blanket satements without explaining yourself does not appear as useful information.

:bong:

Burntit
18-05-09, 05:23 PM
He's jst bein a dickhead know it all when he probably doesnt know th first thing about growin

plant size dont matter ask anyone smart

Mr Spliffy
18-05-09, 05:26 PM
so u can get the same yield off a plant that is 1foot tall and a plant of same strain that is 6foot tall i think not m8 its common sense the bigger plant will have more bud sites so therefore.............................

If ur clever enough u will be able to put other words in yaself :p

Hoopla
18-05-09, 05:27 PM
care to enlighten the masses bro? seems hoopla was trying to share information he thought might be useful to some here. all you say is it's a waste of time. why is that? to make statements like that with no supporting information just seems kind of like a msg board troll that likes to stir the pot. I for one would love to hear both sides of this argument, but making blanket satements without explaining yourself does not appear as useful information.

Mate, this isn't even an argument, I don't know what his problem is! I didn't even claim to be the original source of the information


He's jst bein a dickhead know it all when he probably doesnt know th first thing about growin

plant size dont matter ask anyone smart
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Well, your grammar speaks for itself; frankly I don't think you should be comparing IQs just yet compadre.

And I think you'll find (this isn't a guarantee, mind) that there is correlation between the internode spacings and the amount of bud that's produce to fill the gaps.

Not to mention the inconvenience of having a stretched plant!

Up your knowledge.

THOMAS CHONG
18-05-09, 05:32 PM
a bit of a silly argument imo LMFAO

CannMan
18-05-09, 05:33 PM
Mate, this isn't even an argument, I don't know what his problem is! I didn't even claim to be the original source of the information


I understand, sorry if you misunderstood. I meant argument as a discussion of opposing ideas. not that you were personally arguing with him. He obviously has a problem of some sort. just wanted to here him give an intelligent reason for the statements he's making.

peace
:bong:

Hoopla
18-05-09, 05:34 PM
I understand, sorry if you misunderstood. I meant argument as a discussion of opposing ideas. not that you were personally arguing with him. He obviously has a problem of some sort. just wanted to here him give an intelligent reason for the statements he's making.

peace


No worries friend, I wasnt taking offense or anything.

Just didn't want to get tarred with the same brush and though I'd clarify my position as a humble supplier of information.

SHame, this could've made a reasonable sticky if the thread had gone forth in a productvive direction

jobby2812
18-05-09, 06:25 PM
Now I know which I would rather. A 2ft plant as apposed to a 3ft plant. Just because it is a foot taller doesn't mean to say you will yield more. In the first pic you will see 3 plants. The one on the far right is a Pinky. It has been grown under ideal conditions by Mr Obvious on another grow site. In the next pic is my attempt at the same strain. My trouble was I had to leave the plant in the dark for a week then it was running at 36oC at one point. A big difference in the size of the plant but we should yield around the same amount. We vegged for about the same amount of time and size before switching.

So what I am saying is what I did read in the very first post about high temps I agree with. Higher the temps the more stretchy the plant.



https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/667/5-14-2009_2-51-53_PM_0001.JPG

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/667/medium/70.JPG

jobby2812
18-05-09, 06:32 PM
so u can get the same yield off a plant that is 1foot tall and a plant of same strain that is 6foot tall i think not m8 its common sense the bigger plant will have more bud sites so therefore.............................

If ur clever enough u will be able to put other words in yaself :p



It's not always about common sense. If I could really be bothered I could find you a picture of a plant that was about 2ft long (not tall as it wouldn't stand up). It was only on it's second true set of leaves from what I remember. Just because it was 2ft long doesn't mean it will produce a good oz or more.

baza
19-05-09, 12:37 AM
quote's from original post

"Ever notice how as the warmer summer months approach, your plants begin to stretch?"

to be honest no. i would however expect them to stretch as the summer days get shorter and the plant starts to go into flower.

"As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature,"

not by the type or ammount of light then?

there's 2 valid reasons i commented on the OP

oh and i would have put this in the "general growing" section not that it matters.

Hoopla
19-05-09, 10:44 AM
"Ever notice how as the warmer summer months approach, your plants begin to stretch?"

to be honest no. i would however expect them to stretch as the summer days get shorter and the plant starts to go into flower.

"As floral development begins we need to keep in mind that the total size of your buds is determined largely by average daily temperature,"

not by the type or ammount of light then?

there's 2 valid reasons i commented on the OP

oh and i would have put this in the "general growing" section not that it matters.

Well I would have put it in the general growing section, only, don't you think it's a little bit difficult to try to regulate temperatures OUTDOORS? This is quite clearly aimed at indoor growers, and you probably won't notice the stretch that the article mentioned unless you're growing indoors, too.

I would have thought you'd spot that, seeing as you definitely read the first post thoroughly.

baza
19-05-09, 11:17 AM
the general section covers All cannabis, marijuana growing related talk. Soil, nutrients, lighting, strains, methods, systems ect.
I would say this is a method.

I grow indoors all year round and outdoor as well during the summer and TBH i still havent noticed my plants stretching more during the summer months either in or outdoor.

Have you?

Eggbox
19-05-09, 12:00 PM
Baza mate, I honestly can't see your problem?

Hoopla posted information, that he found interesting and thought others would too, and you guys just come along and slam it instantly, without any backup of your own claims? That's just simply not nice :) This is a nice forum, be nice. Or else..........

As you seem to be the only person in the world who doesn't notice their plants stretch when the temps change then I'd suggest either some glasses or a trip to B&Q, go buy yourself a tape measure and a thermometer. Go get some actual evidence to back up your claims before you go starting on people who're trying to help.

:bong:
:rvmp:

baza
19-05-09, 12:36 PM
I never had a go or started on anyone, i just disagreed with the information in the post. Is that not allowed.


so i need glasses..
everyone is asking me to disprove the theory but not a single post confirms it either.
show me some actual evidence and ill gladly apologise and eat my words..
im just going by the 100's of plants ive grown over the years. its not rocket science.

do you think if you had a poxy cfl and ideal temps your plants will have tight nodes just the same as if it were grown under HPS?
do you not agree that light is the major factor here?

jobby2812
19-05-09, 12:44 PM
Is my evidence above not good enough then?

Monty Bong
19-05-09, 12:53 PM
Jobby, if I understand your post correct, your plant was left in the dark for a week while the other wasn't?

That would be the main reason your plant stretched, not the temps.

wert
19-05-09, 12:57 PM
care to enlighten the masses bro? seems hoopla was trying to share information he thought might be useful to some here. all you say is it's a waste of time. why is that? to make statements like that with no supporting information just seems kind of like a msg board troll that likes to stir the pot. I for one would love to hear both sides of this argument, but making blanket satements without explaining yourself does not appear as useful information.

:bong:


i think we should all question what we read and give reasons why we agree or disagree,thats how we can make our minds up,its how we move forward.
not everything written and put on the internet is gospel ,there are a lot of experienced long term growers that differ in their views of what is right and wrong regarding male/female ratios oxygen to roots and many other subjects, i have been around cannabis since the 70's what was regarded as correct then has changed over the years.
having said all that, polite disagreement and discussion we can all learn from ,i agree or disagree tells us nothing.(both sides).

marijuanamat
19-05-09, 01:31 PM
The main reason for plants stretching is the color,quality,intensity and distance of the light used.Temperatures over 30*c do make plants strech a little but nothing really noticeable .
To limit strech you could use a CMH,MH or blue CFL through veg and for the first 3-4 weeks of bloom then swap to HPS or red CFL once they stop stretching.If your only useing a single HPS from veg to harvest keeping it as close as possible will limit the strech to.

Monty Bong
19-05-09, 01:41 PM
Totally agree with the above, and just to add, it's the same reason outdoor plants don't stretch when they go in to flower...because they recieve full spectrum, i.e sunlight.

Eggbox
19-05-09, 01:41 PM
I never had a go or started on anyone, i just disagreed with the information in the post. Is that not allowed.


so i need glasses..
everyone is asking me to disprove the theory but not a single post confirms it either.
show me some actual evidence and ill gladly apologise and eat my words..
im just going by the 100's of plants ive grown over the years. its not rocket science.

do you think if you had a poxy cfl and ideal temps your plants will have tight nodes just the same as if it were grown under HPS?
do you not agree that light is the major factor here?

I don't disagree that light is a major factor, but what I was getting at was the way you decided to just disagree with Hoopla without any comments that would have been constructive for the thread, and then when asked to back up your claims with evidence, you simply don't.. I don't need evidence to back up my point, I'm not the one trying to make one :D

I believe that if you're going to disagree with someone on a forum, without looking like a troll, you're going to need to state why you disagree. That's all ;)

CBD
19-05-09, 01:57 PM
Erm, no matey
The post is a waste of ppls time plant size dont matter buds will b exactly the same

i would say that plant size does matter BurnTit, it matters to those who want to grow compact plants and it matters to those who want to maximise their available light, especially if the buds are exactly the same.

jobby2812
19-05-09, 02:19 PM
Agreed my plant was left in the dark for a week but that was after it had done most of it's stretching. The plant had been in 12/12 for 3 weeks before it then had the 4th week in total darkness. I just think that there is something in the excessive heat information.

baza
19-05-09, 03:17 PM
I don't disagree that light is a major factor, but what I was getting at was the way you decided to just disagree with Hoopla without any comments that would have been constructive for the thread, and then when asked to back up your claims with evidence, you simply don't.. I don't need evidence to back up my point, I'm not the one trying to make one :D

I believe that if you're going to disagree with someone on a forum, without looking like a troll, you're going to need to state why you disagree. That's all ;)

did you miss my post where i gave 2 reasons why i didnt agree?
the internet is full of ideas and theory's, the trouble with a theory is it is just that untill evidence proves it is a fact.

im just going by experience and results, nothing else.

Tay
19-05-09, 03:22 PM
on my first grow, about 6-7 weeks flowering, some of my buds closest to the light began to stretch and produce mutated leaves due to heat stress. i was left with a few colas hardly having any bud on the top 1-2":(

baza
19-05-09, 03:26 PM
on my first grow, about 6-7 weeks flowering, some of my buds closest to the light began to stretch and produce mutated leaves due to heat stress. i was left with a few colas hardly having any bud on the top 1-2":(

but that was due to the radiated heat from the bulb not the ambient temperature of the plant.

Tay
19-05-09, 03:30 PM
still, thought i'd share... it's slightly related;)