Big Bang 12/12 from seed…..

[Steptoe]

For this grow I am using a 200w Envirolite (red).

18th/7 I put down 3x Big Bang’s (Feminized) and 1x Hash Passion (Regular) to germinate using the paper towel method.

19th Checked to see if the seeds had split and all 4 had. So, with only a tiny bit of the tap root showing I decided to give them an extra day so that the tap root can extend to about 6-8 mm.

20th With a nice long tap root now showing, they were all potted up into 5½L pots, 1x Big Bang was planted into John Innes No: 2 (Soil-based Compost)/Perlite/Vermiculite, the other 3 were planted into Miracle Grow All Purpose Compost/Perlite.

21st The first signs of life! 1x Big Bang & the Hash Passion broke the surface first this afternoon, then this evening so did the others, although one is very small compared to the rest of the seedlings, still you always get the odd runt (well I seem to:laugh:) every now and again.

23rd Seedlings were a little tall/gangly so I added a little more compost to sink the stems a bit more to stop the stretching, not sure really if it is from reaching for light that’s causing it or simply because it’s a 12/12 grow, but just incase I’ve lowered the light. The runt has now opened up its cotyledons and is getting better light now, it is definitely retarded but I’m hopping it will pick up now that it, and the rest of them have had their first proper watering. I changed the fans in the grow room from 2 circular fans (7” & 12”) to an oscillating tower fan to ease the space restrictions (until my Top 44’s are done).

24th Had a swap round in the grow room this morning as the runt hasn’t really done much, so I’ve now placed it directly under the light. All of the others are doing fine by the looks of it, the single leaves are getting bigger by the day and they are lovely and green.

25th I re-potted the runt as it just wasn’t growing, hopefully now that it has been re-potted into some drier compost it will pick up considerably and sort itself out. I also planted another Hash Passion seed straight into some JI no: 2 in a 1L pot, just incase the BB runt doesn’t make it. It may have to stay in the small pot if it does but I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it, I’ve also noticed that the first of the BB’s to show has developed some dodgy looking mis-shaped single bladed leaves, but it’s nothing to worry about as it is early days and they will eventually die off anyway.

28th The second Hash Passion (Reg) has shown through the soil this morning, having only been planted on the 25th straight into the soil, and is now starting its first 12/12 cycle. I will leave it in the 1L pot for the first week at least, and then decide whether to re-pot it or not.

4th So they have been growing for 2 weeks, no major problems to report, getting taller and are starting to just throw out some tiny side shoots, and alls looking reasonably good. Big Bang 1 is suffering a little bit of burn on the first set of leaves, but I think this could be down to slight over watering and probably by some water splashing the leaves.

Re-potted the second Hash Passion into a 2L pot this morning as it is now 1 week old, I also had a change round in the grow room to rotate the plants under the light.

11th HP2 is quite small, but it is tight & compact with very little space between the nodes at this early stage. Is it a Boy or a Girl? Only time will tell! BB1 has now revealed her early pre-flowers too, exactly on the week 3 point.

12th Oh Bugger! BB1 has some how managed to reach the light and burnt itself, luckily it’s only one fan leaf blade, hope it didn’t stress her. All the others are looking good though.

15th Average height is now 8” tall, gave BB2 & HP2 a bit of a light feed today just as a little top up (1ml Grow/1½L Water), about ½ an hour later BB2 had burnt itself on the light? I think the fan must have blown a branch up to it possibly, again though, only on one blade of a fan leaf.

16th BB2 has now showed pre-flowers too, all seem to be growing nicely too, the BB’s have some very nice satellite branches forming, and the bases of the internodes/stem have already started to thicken up. Don’t think HP1 will be too far off showing sex now either, although I’m not too sure if HP1 likes growing 12/12 from seed, it doesn’t seem to want to grow any side branches really yet, just a couple of pairs of leaves where branches should be, although I’m keeping HP2 small it seems to be doing better in the bushiness stakes than HP1 is, perhaps it’s just a bit slow hey? Watered BB1, BB3 & HP1 today, as they needed a good drink.

18th Week 4 and the last BB has also now finally sprouted her pre-flowers too (happy times), she is currently half the size of her tallest sister (sad times), but you know what they say? Good things come in small packages! I think HP1 is a Male, not sure though, I’ll give it a couple more days just incase.

19th Yep, defo think HP1 is Male! the pre-flowers are a more rounded/ball shape rather than ovoid like on females, but still too close to call yet, I’d say. BB1 is now 12” tall, BB2 is 10” & BB3 is 6½” tall. HP1 is 10” tall, whilst HP2 is only 4” high.

20th Had to get shot of HP1 today as it certainly did turn out to be a Male. Seeing as I had a new space after its removal I decided to re-pot HP2, into a 5½L pot, but I had a bit of a problem as the roots had somehow stuck to the inside of the pot and I lost some. I also decided to try my hand at topping and topped it aswell, it still hasn’t shown any pre-flowers yet though, but mind you, it is still early days with it I suppose, being only 3 weeks old. If HP2 is a male also I'll probably stick in a Power Africa (fem) or something.


The First signs of life.
Big Bang 1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/21-7_Big_Bang_1_M-G.jpg
Big Bang 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/21-7_Big_Bang_2_J-I.jpg
Big Bang 3.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/21-7_Big_Bang_3_J-I.jpg
Hash Passion 1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/21-7_Hash_Passion_M-G.jpg
Hash Passion 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/28-7_Hash_Passion_2.jpg
Week 1.
Clockwise - Top Left: Big Bang 2. Top Right: Big Bang 1. Bottom Right: Hash Passion 1. Bottom Left: Big Bang 3.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/28-7_group_shot_2.jpg
Hash Passion 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/4-8_Hash_Passion_2_w1.jpg
Week 2.
Top Left: Hash Passion 1. Top Right: Big Bang 1. Bottom Right: Big Bang 2. Bottom Left: Big Bang 3.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/4-8_Group_Shot_w2.jpg
Hash Passion 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/hp2w_002.jpg
Week 3.
Left: Hash Passion 1. Top: Big Bang 3. Right: Big Bang 2. Bottom: Big Bang 1. (with burnt leaf)
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/12-8-tgs_01.jpg
Hash Passion 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/18-8HP2-3w.jpg
Week 4.
Top Left: Big Bang 1. Top Right: Big Bang 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/18-8_Group_Shot_Week_4.jpg
Bottom Left: Big Bang 3. Bottom Middle: Hash Passion 2. Bottom Right: Hash Passion 1.


Well that's it for the time being, that's everything right up to date, hope you enjoy it folks!

[weed heed]

hiya steptoe,firstly great introduction to your diary pal very nice read and your plants are lookin really healthy great colour and growth on them am very interested in both strains especially the hash passion i love the look of it,am gonna pull up a seat steptoe,all the best weed heed

[Tay]

me too:) i'm also interested in the hash passion... looking great so far man, all the best.

[gangjamin]

Great intro to this diary mate, they all look real healthy and bushy, i fancy something hashy too lol :p im also pulling up a seat if ya dont mind ;)

[wert]

nice start steptoe,good luck,although the more grows you do the less luck comes into the equation.is it grow no 3?

[almighty chronic]

alrite m8,
great read of the start of diary,gutted bout the hp1 an hope hp2 shows female signs.
gud luck with your grow m8,will be intrestin to see these strains go under 12/12.

[Steptoe]

Hi Chaps,

Thanks for the positive vibes already guys!

Yes, I would really like the HP to be a fem too, as it looks a really good strain to grow (based on seedsman's write up).

Wert, it sure is grow number 3, I was going to have a break after the 44's, but because everything went "pete tong" I thought I might aswell start another grow.
Seeing as I already had some plants flowering I thought I'd just stick some in on 12/12 and see how they go, hopefully it will be 3rd time lucky - maybe!

Thanks all for dropping by.

[shark]

grow three.. this will be the one to watch! best of luck on this one, but as wert says, luck has all but nothing to do with it. its experience that counts.. oh, and the right choice of seed to start with plays a big role..and you've chosen wisely, big bang will be dynamite!

im also looking forward to grow 4.. hopefully diary 4 will involve an 8 pack of aquafarms..! lol :rock:

[dekay]

Alls good so far mate, should be a good un.;)

[Steptoe]

grow three.. this will be the one to watch! best of luck on this one, but as wert says, luck has all but nothing to do with it. its experience that counts.. oh, and the right choice of seed to start with plays a big role..and you've chosen wisely, big bang will be dynamite!

im also looking forward to grow 4.. hopefully diary 4 will involve an 8 pack of aquafarms..! lol :rock:

Hi Shark,

I only picked Big Bang's because they were the cheapest fems, but I'm quite liking the way/shape they are growing on a 12/12 cycle (nothing like the Greenhouse video, I might add).

No mate not 8 farms, I think I'd have my hands full just trying to manage one probably, especially if your photo's are anything to go by.


Here's a couple of side shots (coming up to 5 weeks "Tuesday").
Top of main Cola BB1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/23-8-Cola.jpg
BB1 on the right of photo.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/23-8-GS.jpg
Side view of BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/23-8-Side_View.jpg


Thanks for dropping by mate, oh, and your goodself too Dekay, the more the merrier mate.

[bergkamp]

looking good mate but i find by about 5 weeks you want to start thinking about getting them into their final pots - i usually use 5 litre pots and for 12/12 from seed they are plenty big enough

[Steptoe]

Hi Bergkamp,

Thanks for dropping by, after reading your diaries I decided to try a 12/12 grow, so I hope I can do the plants justice.

They are already in their final pots which are 5.5 litre's.

Hope you enjoy the diary.

[almighty chronic]

lookin gud dude.

[Steptoe]

Right then peeps, update time!

21st Gave BB2 a proper feed today with 2ml grow-1L water, should give the soil a good boost. I also gave BB1 & BB3 a dose of Epsom salts (1/4tsp-4.5L water) as they were starting to get brown spots and yellowing leaves. BB1 got 1.5L and BB3 got 1L. HP2 is recovering nicely from being topped and I can already see the lush new growth to the tips that are taking over. HP2 won’t be a big plant but if it’s a girl it will be interesting to see what it looks like for my first Topping attempt, I think!

22nd So, since their last watering/feed the plants are coming on brilliantly, and all of the BB’s are developing some really nice satellite branches now. Size-wise there is a bit of a gap between them but not much, the tallest, BB1 is 15”, BB2 is 13” & BB3 is 9½” so it seems to be picking up now which is good news! Not too many fan leaves to deal with either which is good for light penetration.

23rd HP2, is 6½” tall and doesn’t seem to have suffered any from the loss of a few roots and being Topped, the new tips are really coming on too. Prior to topping it the current grow tips were only1-2mm but now they’ve just exploded out, so it’s all good.


Hash Passion - 3 days Topped.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/23-8-HP_Topped.jpg


25th So, we’re at the week 5 point today for the Big Bangs, and week 4 for the Hash Passion. All are growing pretty well, The BB’s are gaining an average of an inch+ a day now, BB1 is 18” tall, BB2 is 17”, BB3 is still the smallest at 11”, with the HP trailing in behind at just 7”.

BB2 burnt itself again this morning, as I hadn’t anticipated such quick dark period growth, luckily it was only a single blade again. The internodes for the main cola on BB1 & 2 have started to zigzag now by the looks of it. The HP is getting there, and the new growing tips are coming on really well now. All got watered late last night so will be alright for a couple days now, no problems to report and everything is looking “A” OK.

We had a power cut for a couple of hours this evening, could/should this be anything to worry about at this early stage?

Had a quick look at the HP before lights out @ midnight, and it as shown its pre-flowers exactly on the 4 week mark and it’s a GIRL!

My only concern now is, that I have only just topped it (20th) and the new grow tips are only about an inch tall currently. I wasn’t expecting it to show Pre-flowers so quick after being topped, I know it won’t be a big plant, but I reckon it might get to 12” tall if I’m lucky, it’s currently 7” tall.


Week 4.
Hash Passion 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Hash_Passion0.jpg
New Grow Tips.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Hash_Passion.jpg

Week 5.
Big Bangs.
Left BB3, Middle BB2, Right BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Big_Bangs.jpg
BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/26-8-BB1.jpg
Tip of main Cola - BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Main_Cola.jpg
Side View - BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Side_View.jpg
A little Bud shot - BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Bud_Shot02.jpg
Group Shot.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/26-8-Group_Shot.jpg

Well, that's what's be going on this last week, let's hope it carries on that way too!

Hope you enjoy!

Any comments/help/advice welcome.

[Munter]

Lookin good my friend

[bergkamp]

looking good so far mate , how wide are your pots at the top ? i reckon i might be able to squeeze a couple of extra pots in my space by using them instead of the round ones ive got . i keep looking for the square ones but cant seem to find them anywhere.

[Steptoe]

Hi Bergkamp,

The pots I use are 18cm square at the top going down to 15cm at the bottom and are 25cm deep.

I got mine from ebay I just emailed the seller and asked them to give me a price (including delivery) for ten of these! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/20-X-5-5-LITRE-SQUARE-PLASTIC-PLANT-POTS-BLACK-NEW_W0QQitemZ140221920135QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Hom e_Garden_Garden_Plants_Pots_Window_Boxes_CV?hash=i tem20a5e0b387&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262)

I can fit 9 of them (3x3) in my grow space.

Thanks for dropping by chaps.

[Steptoe]

Photo's taken 29th.

Big Bangs.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-8_Big_Bangs.jpg
Hash Passion
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-8_Hash_Passion.jpg

31st The Big Bangs look like they are now in full flowering mode, pistils are shooting out all them. Size-wise BB1 is 26“ tall, BB2 25” and BB3 is 17”. The hash Passion is growing well too and is now 13” tall, but not flowering properly yet though, it has bushed up slightly more than it was and is looking good, very green & healthy. The growing tips are now about 7” long and coming on nicely, I’d say that Hash Passion’s are a really easy plant to grow and it is well worth giving them a try, but it is only early yet so I may need to revise this opinion after it has been harvested, but I don’t think so.

Smell-wise the Big Bangs have a slight earthy/weedy/skunky scent to them, the HP however, smells really awful, I hope the aroma changes when it starts flowering properly.

They were watered/fed on saturday, each plant was given 1L as usual but I got no run off at all so I upped it a bit to 1½L each. They are obviously getting thirstier now they’re starting to flower. I’ll be glad when they stop growing/stretching as I don’t want them to get too high really, with only one cfl the satellite branches will suffer from poor light penetration.

The BB's will be 6 weeks old tomorrow (Tuesday), and the HP will be 5 weeks old, and all's looking good with no problems to report.

Any comments/help/advice welcome.

[Steptoe]

1st Right then it's week 5 for the Hash Passion & week 6 for the Big Bangs, BB1 & BB2 are both now 26" tall, BB3 is 17" and the HP is 14".

Hopefully, BB1 & 2 have reached their maximum height now and won't get much bigger if at all.

A few of the leaves are drying out and yellowing/browning with a few on the Hash passion curling underneath, which could be anything, but it hasn't had any Epsom Salts yet, so I wonder if it could be down to that. But I must say though that they don't look like they are suffering from an Mg deficiency so not too sure if I should give a dose.

They were due to be watered/fed today but the compost is still pretty moist so I think I’ll give it another day or two yet before feeding again.

Flowering growth seems to be slow but steady on the BB’s, whereas the HP still hasn’t started to flower just yet, but will soon I’m sure. It does seem to be growing/responding well to being topped and I’m really looking forward to seeing it bloom as it has been very easy to grow up to this point.

Anyway, here’s a few up to date photo’s of my babies.


Group Shot.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/1-9_Group_Shot.jpg
BB1 Cola Tip.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/1-9_BB1_Cola_Tip.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/1-9_BB1.jpg
BB2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/1-9_BB2.jpg
BB3.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/1-9_BB3.jpg
HP – Week 5.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/1-9_HP.jpg

Any comments/help/advice welcome.

[shark]

lovely!

its going well. spot on mate!

[Steptoe]

Thanks for dropping by Shark.

It just seems to be flying along this grow and I almost feel redundant, third time lucky I guess? Mind you I did use fem seeds this time so that's helped considerably.

[The Green Giant]

Looking good mate

[Steptoe]

Thanks for dropping in Skunk, things are just starting to get exciting now as the BB's are basically into full flowering mode now. Just waiting for the Hash Passion to join them, but as I only topped it on the 20th it is still growing out the new tips and playing catch up, but it will get there shortly.

[b.t.y]

real nice steptoe
i'll be watching

[Steptoe]

Welcome aboard Billy, thanks for thew positives vibes buddy.

[Steptoe]

3rd Well I watered them all yesterday and it looks as though BB1 has stopped growing taller now it has been 27” for the last two days, it is budding up steadily now and looking nice. Just a bit of browning/yellowing to a couple of leaves but nothing to worry about as it is basically only the bottom fan leaves, although it has dropped several fan leaves over the last week.

BB2 seems to still be reaching for the stars and is now 29” high, I fed it 0.5ml grow and 2ml bloom to 850ml water as the compost was still very slightly damp hence the reduced water level. It shot up 2” since feeding last night and touched the light again this morning burning another leaf blade, but luckily it was only the edge of it so it wasn’t too bad. It too is budding up nicely now aswell. BB3 is also still growing a bit at 19” but is budding up well too it has also got several browning/yellowing leaves but I’m sure this is just down to age/flowering, not much else to say really about the Big Bangs as everything seems to be progressing well enough I think.

The Hash Passion is really growing well it has now reached 16” and the new tips are now 9” long, it has some nice long satellite branches which will produce at least 6 good bud sites (including the new tips), plus several other side shoots developing off these. It is still a lovely deep green in colour despite not being fed any nutes yet just plain water. Definitely a good strain to grow for beginners I would say, as I’ve had no problems with it at all, they will certainly be on my next seed shopping list to grow again.

This grow really is proving to be trouble free and dare I say it a little boring as there’s nothing for me to do except water/feed and raise the light :laugh: hope my next grow is this easy.

As the light is now 32” high my temps, lights on are basically staying between 26&27*c and lights off between 23-25*c the humidity is also pretty steady at 50-53%.

Well, that’s it for this little bit of an update, will post up a few nice photo’s on friday evening.

Any comments/help/advice welcome.

[shark]

hi mate,
dont worry about the fading/yellowing/dropping off of the lower fan leaves..that normal at 3 weeks into 12/12 i believe. looking forward to your pics.

[Steptoe]

Forgot to mention it earlier, but all of the Big Bangs have now started to frost up a bit aswell.

[b.t.y]

i didn't know you could 12/12 from seed

[Steptoe]

Hi Billy,

I think I read somewhere that that's how most equatorial Sativa’s grow, however, not all strains respond well to 12/12 growing I believe. The one's that do have more than likely got some degree of Sativa in the genetics possibly!

Having said that though the Hash Passion that I am growing is described by Seedsman as a Pure Bred Traditional Landrace Indica, (which as I understand it means that it has not been crossed with anything other than another Hash Passion plant), but as far as I can see, it seems to be responding very well to growing under a 12/12 cycle.

To be honest with you though, I'm still a novice at growing so can't really say that much about the technique of growing 12/12, but I would recommend growing Hash Passion this way from the results that I’m seeing at the moment with my plant. When it comes to harvesting though, this may well tell a different tale possibly.

I'm sure that there are others around the forum that will be able to shed more light on this growing technique if needed.

[Steptoe]

Here's a few up to date shots of my girls.


BB1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB1-6.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB1-8.jpg
BB2
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB2-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB2-2.jpg
BB3
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB3-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_BB3-3.jpg
HP
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_HP.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_HP-10.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_HP-9.jpg
Group Shot
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/4-9_Group_Shot.jpg

[The Green Giant]

lovely mate - nice n healthy

[bergkamp]

coming along nicely mate

[Steptoe]

Evening chaps,

Thanks for dropping by, I'm glad I didn't veg the BB's now as they are still growing, and with a veg period how big would they be now I wonder?

BB2 has now over taken BB1 by 3" and is 31" tall, not that it matters really as it will just add a bit of extra time for them to finish properly. They don't seem to be building up the buds that quickly at the moment but they are getting there and all are frosting up nicely especially BB1.

I'll do a full update tomorrow evening as they will be 6 & 7 weeks old respectively.

[Skeeter]

Lookin nice. Will keep an eye on this. Keep on documenting. :)

[wert]

Evening chaps,

Thanks for dropping by, I'm glad I didn't veg the BB's now as they are still growing, and with a veg period how big would they be now I wonder?

BB2 has now over taken BB1 by 3" and is 31" tall, not that it matters really as it will just add a bit of extra time for them to finish properly. They don't seem to be building up the buds that quickly at the moment but they are getting there and all are frosting up nicely especially BB1.

I'll do a full update tomorrow evening as they will be 6 & 7 weeks old respectively.
nice growing steptoe,you seem to have some good height there hope they fill out ,i have seen photos of 3 ft plants 12/12 but never seem to get over 2 ft with the strains i've grown.
looking healthy

[Steptoe]

Thanks for the positive vibes Skeeter!

Hi Wert,

Yeh, I know what you mean, the 44's I did even with such a long veg period like they had still didn't get over 2ft.

I suppose in a way I've sort of messed this grow up really as 3 of the plants are growing in miracle grow and I don't know what Flowering products to use with that to get the buds to fatten up really. Which is probably why they seem to be taking their time to build up the buds, being as they are only getting plain water.

The new tallest plant BB2 is in JI #2 and was fed twice with small quantities (0.5ml/per litre approx) of Bio Grow which I've now stopped feeding, and it is currently getting 2ml of Bio Bloom which I'm going to up with the next watering to 3ml/1L.

But having said that they have grown very well in it and I'm quite pleased with the result over all, sadly I had to rely on my nephew to get me the compost for this grow and he got me miracle grow coz they didn't have any JI #2 where he got it from. Still, it will be interesting when I compare them with the next lot which will be in John Innes so at least it will provide some useful insight into the two different composts and how they work.

[Skeeter]

Miraclegrow? Avoid is my advice, next time use just john inns or general but nice multi purpose stuff.

[Steptoe]

You're right Skeeter, I wouldn't have got m.g. myself, but I was busy and couldn't get to the garden centre to get it. But I certainly will next time!

[dekay]

Everythings looking mighty fine mate, the only plant i did 12/12 that grew tall still was seedsman NL and they hit 6 foot 12/12.

[b.t.y]

hey speaking of john innes composts
i have two new plants that are cuttings from a freind (about a month old now and was wondering weather to put them in ji no3 as its all i have

what you guys recon ??

[Steptoe]

Thanks for the :hijacked_thread: Billy :laugh:

Not too sure in answer to your question mate as I haven't done any clones yet but would've thought that it may be alright, although JI #1 would be better as it is for seedlings and cuttings I believe.

[Steptoe]

Everythings looking mighty fine mate, the only plant i did 12/12 that grew tall still was seedsman NL and they hit 6 foot 12/12.

Hi dekay,

I think Bergkamp had the same trouble with his seedsman NL aswell didn't he? I don't think the BB's will get quite as tall as that but they could I suppose hit the 4ft mark if I'm unlucky :laugh:

Thanks for dropping by matey.

[The Green Giant]

hey speaking of john innes composts
i have two new plants that are cuttings from a freind (about a month old now and was wondering weather to put them in ji no3 as its all i have

what you guys recon ??

No mate i wouldnt use that - Ji No3 will be way to rich for cuttings mate - def get no1

[The Green Giant]

Hi dekay,

I think Bergkamp had the same trouble with his seedsman NL aswell didn't he? I don't think the BB's will get quite as tall as that but they could I suppose hit the 4ft mark if I'm unlucky :laugh:

Thanks for dropping by matey.

and mate im gonna be watching this one as im going to be doin BB next.
im praying they aint 6fters mate (for me and you) lol

[b.t.y]

No mate i wouldnt use that - Ji No3 will be way to rich for cuttings mate - def get no1


no they are little plants now totally rooted and that

im gonna flower em soon so i might just repot in JI no3

[Steptoe]

Hi Billy,

Yes if they've already rooted that should be ok then I think, it will have plenty of nutes already in the compost so they won't need feeding for ages.

[Steptoe]

So here we are at weeks 6 & 7 from seed, They are all still growing a bit despite me thinking a few days back that they had stopped. BB1 is now 28" high, BB2 is now the tallest plant at 32" high and BB3 is 22" high, with the HP at 19" tall.

All of the Big Bangs have started to frost up now and the HP has started flowering at last, which I am very pleased about. I don't think it's going to yield loads but I will get a decent smoke off of it though I reckon.

No problems really to report apart from a couple of leaf blades that caught me out and somehow managed to touch the light getting a little bit burnt.

Here's a few pics of them...


BB1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/BB11.jpg
BB2
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/8-9_BB2.jpg
BB3
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/8-9_BB3.jpg
HP
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/8-9_HP.jpg

[bergkamp]

Hi dekay,

I think Bergkamp had the same trouble with his seedsman NL aswell didn't he? I don't think the BB's will get quite as tall as that but they could I suppose hit the 4ft mark if I'm unlucky :laugh:

Thanks for dropping by matey.

certainly did , not a strain i would grow again . very good yielders but took ages to finish and not that great a smoke at the end of it.

[The Green Giant]

Looking nice mate - well done

[Steptoe]

certainly did , not a strain i would grow again . very good yielders but took ages to finish and not that great a smoke at the end of it.

Hi Bergkamp,

Not one to recommend then :laugh:, the Nirvana's were pretty good though weren't they, I liked the look of those and will give them a try sometime too.

[Mr_Bimble]

Nice grow - nice too see after I've been away for a month from the forum.

[Steptoe]

Hi Bimble and welcome back matey, thanks for dropping by.

[Steptoe]

Well, that’s now weeks 7 & 8 out of the way and things have picked up over the last week, and I have started to feed the 2 BB’s in the miracle grow with 1ml of Tomato food per litre of water and the buds have increased nicely in size and closed up more now.

They were obviously hungrier than I thought, which is why they seemed to be taking ages to bud up properly, but that has now been sorted which is good news. The Hash Passion is looking good too I have also given it a feed to the same ratio yesterday, so I should start to see some improvement in it in a couple of days or so.

Height-wise they are pretty-much maxed out now I think, BB1 is 29”, BB2 is 34”, BB3 is 23” and the HP is 20”. The temps are quite a bit lower these days as the light is so high and they hardly get much above 24-26*c now with the humidity pretty much at a constant 45-50%.

BB1 & BB3 have developed some brown spots/patches on the higher leaves (around the colas – photos below) I think this must be down to MG shortage but as the tomato food has a Magnesium Oxide content 0.016% I’m kind of hopping that will sort it. Although I did give a them both an Epsom Salt solution a few weeks ago, they did start browning prior to the tomato feed being given so I don’t think it’s down to the feed.

Having said that BB2 and the HP haven’t been given any Epsom Salts and aren’t showing any signs of MG deficiency at all so it’s a bit of a puzzler to me to be honest, any ideas appreciated.

All BB’s are really frosting up well now and long may it continue.

So, apart from the bit of browning to the 2 Big Bangs everything seems to be progressing nicely now that they are all being fed, no burning this time round which is also good news, I’m quite pleased with how easy this grow seems to be coming along whether that’s down to the experience I have gained or pot luck I’m not too sure yet, only time will tell.

Anyway, time for some photo’s so I hope you enjoy them!


Week 8.
BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB1-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB1-5.jpg
The browning - Any ideas?
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB1-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB1-2.jpg
BB2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB2-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB2-3.jpg
BB3.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB3-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB3-2.jpg
The browning - Any ideas?
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB3-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_BB3-5.jpg
Week 7.
HP
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_HP.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_HP-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_HP-5.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_HP-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-9_HP-2.jpg

Any help/comments/advice welcome.

Thank you for dropping in.

[b.t.y]

the hash plant looks well healthy man
the others look overfed or something

[Steptoe]

Hi Billy,

The 2 with the brown spots/patches have gone 7.5 weeks on just plain water, I only fed them last friday for the first time, but the browning was there before I fed them.

Yeh mate, the Hash Passion is looking nice and healthy especially considering it too has only been getting plain water for the last 7 weeks.

Thanks for dropping by matey.

[THOMAS CHONG]

looks like a littele over watering to me thats wats causing the brown spots

[b.t.y]

oh
take it they in soil then

[wert]

try some epsom salts if you have already fed them lightly.

[b.t.y]

yea what is this epsom salts i keep hearing people talking about ??

[Tay]

yea what is this epsom salts i keep hearing people talking about ??

magnesium sulphate: they're commonly used for bath salts but have also been used in gardening to treat magnesium deficiency for years.


those last shots are awesome steptoe mate, nice fat deep green leaves:) the top ones could indeed be mag' def'. what did you feed them with last time? it may already have magnesium in it so no need for epsoms...

[Steptoe]

looks like a littele over watering to me thats wats causing the brown spots

Tom: That's a good point I didn't really think much about that as I only water when the top of the soil is dry, but I have watered a couple times in quick succession recently as I was off fishing for a few days, so it may be a valid part/cause of the browning.


oh
take it they in soil then

Billy: Yes mate I only grow in soil/compost.


try some epsom salts if you have already fed them lightly.

Wert: Although I've already given them a dose of Epsom Salts a few weeks back it was only a very weakish solution @ 1/4tsp-1gallon of water, as they've been fed recently I'm just waiting for the compost to dry out and I'll give them another dose as it seems to be getting a little worse on BB3 especially, I think?


magnesium sulphate: they're commonly used for bath salts but have also been used in gardening to treat magnesium deficiency for years.

those last shots are awesome steptoe mate, nice fat deep green leaves:) the top ones could indeed be mag' def'. what did you feed them with last time? it may already have magnesium in it so no need for epsoms...

Tay: I've got 1 in JI#2 which is totally unaffected, and the 2 in the miracle grow (bad choice I know) are the only one's affected by this browning. The JI plant hasn't had any Epsom Salts at all and is fine with no browning whatsoever, I've only fed it 1ml of bio bizz grow twice @ 0.5ml/1L water, and I am currently feeding it Bio Bizz Bloom @ 5ml/1L water. I started it off on 1ml for a couple of feeds then 2ml and as it seemed to be taking ages for the buds to build/fatten up I decided to up it to 5ml and it is now budding up much better!

The 2 other BB's have just been receiving plain water for the last 7.5 weeks, but I have now started them on some 4-4-12 Tomato feed and I've only given them 1ml/1L water, but already I can see a big improvement in the bud growth/formation, BB3 has had 2 feeds with it now but BB1 still has quite damp compost so I'm holding off feeding it until it dries out more.

The Hash Passion is in a mixture of JI#2 & Miracle Grow as I ran out of both composts but had just enough of them left to fill a pot, and it seems to like the mix it's in as the photo's show.

It too was only getting plain water for the last 7 weeks, but I have now started it on the Tomato food aswell, again at the same ratio's and it too hasn't had any Epsom Salts and isn't showing any adverse effects either. Which is why I'm a bit stumped about the cause of the browning to be honest.

I'd defo recommend Hash Passion's I'll be getting some more of them myself as they seem to be so easy to grow don't mind being topped (my first attempt) and have a lush deep green colour to them. In actual fact the one I've got seems to have a pinkish-purple hue to the leaves too, which is interesting I think. It's a shame it's only going to be a small plant though as I kept it in a 2L pot for several weeks.

Still I'm looking forward to it finishing though as it should be a blinding smoke hopefully, and ready just in time for crimbo too, I reckon I'll only get about 1/2oz dry from it though (fingers crossed) due to it's size. How's that DP doing Tay?

Thanks for the comments peeps much appreciated and very helpful too, nice to see you dropping by.

I'm off for the weekend fishing (again), so might not be around until Monday possibly.

[The Green Giant]

1/4tsp-1gallon of water

Maybe the solution was too weak? - but then theyd all have that def wouldnt they?:rolleye:

i hope it picks up for ya mate after the disapointment on the 44's

[Steptoe]

au revoir Del Boy,

Yeh, when administering things like that I always tend to be a bit on the tight side, but with the miracle grow I'm using I've noticed it's a little more damper than John Innes and holds the water slightly longer so it could be down to slight over watering.
But having said that they still seem to be progressing nicely though, so I don't think it's anything too serious at the moment.

bonjour

[wert]

it could be the effects of the different soil content causeing the problem or even ph of the soils .
check mg and ph of the different soils,may give a clue.

[dirty dude]

cool diary mate, nice plants also ;)

[Mr_Bimble]

Doesn't miracle grow contain "moisture retaining granules" which would prevent the soil drying out.

could that be the problem?

When in B&Q last week I noticed a few of them have this gell in them so they're good for hanging baskets & conitainer.

Could this mean there's something else to look out for and avoid?

[Proph]

brown spots = PH trust me i had it on all my runs indoors of late i thought i had it fixed but it kept re-apearing either ph to low (IMO most plausible) causing lock out and from my experience once it starts it only gets worse i couldt save anything from my fuck up my tapwater is pure shit apearantly..

[Steptoe]

it could be the effects of the different soil content causeing the problem or even ph of the soils .
check mg and ph of the different soils,may give a clue.

Wert I checked the soil PH yesterday and all pots are showing a PH of 6.8-6.9.


cool diary mate, nice plants also ;)

Mystic Thanks for dropping in, glad you're liking the diary so far.


Doesn't miracle grow contain "moisture retaining granules" which would prevent the soil drying out.

could that be the problem?

When in B&Q last week I noticed a few of them have this gell in them so they're good for hanging baskets & conitainer.

Could this mean there's something else to look out for and avoid?

Bimble Yeh, I think you may well be right there as I didn't water BB1 at all this last week and under the soil surface it was still damper than normal compost/soil, but it had at least dried out more.


brown spots = PH trust me i had it on all my runs indoors of late i thought i had it fixed but it kept re-apearing either ph to low (IMO most plausible) causing lock out and from my experience once it starts it only gets worse i couldt save anything from my fuck up my tapwater is pure shit apearantly..

Proph Like I replied to wert, I checked the soil PH yesterday and all pots are showing a PH of 6.8-6.9. I'm using R.O'd water as my brother-in-law is a window cleaner and he's got the kit to make it, so I'm not sure if that could be the problem?

Having acted on the good advice I've been given, and as far as I can see there can only be 2 possibilities left it's either got to be an MG def or over watering.

Each plant is in a 5.5L pot and I water/feed them with 1L this usually produces about 50-100ml of run-off, depending on how long I leave them. I normally water/feed every 3-4 days unless the soil/compost feels damper then I'll give them an extra day or two to dry out more.

Interestingly though, the Hash Passion & Big Bang 2 are now 8 & 9 weeks old from seed and are only just starting to develope some yellowing/browning to their leaves, these plants have not as yet been given any Epsom Salts to combat MG def. With them being so far into proper flowering now (about 5-6 weeks), is it safe to treat them with an Epsom Salt solution, if so should I up the ratio from 1/4tsp per gallon to 1/2tsp or 3/4tsp?

Thanks for all the helpful comments peeps much appreciated.

I'll do an update later when the lights come on.

[Steptoe]

God what a day I've had today!

First I wake up with a splitting headache, then when I drew back the curtains in the sitting room this morning I only get stung on the eye by a fecking wasp don't I :furious: And to top it all off nicely the phone bill arrives and is £150 :wtf: Should've just stayed in bed all day I reckon!

Anyway, what's been happening this last week then? Well, when I got back from fishing on Monday, the Hash Passion was in a really bad way, it had dried right out and was in dire need of watering as every leaf & leaf stem had wilted and drooped severely. Once I watered it, it recovered pretty quickly though and seems to be fine now, although I just wonder if this has stressed it severely enough to do it harm.

The browning had worsened on BB1 & BB3 a bit more and the HP & BB2 are now showing slight signs of yellowing/browning and have suddenly dropped several leaves too. So a dose of the old Epsom Salts is needed for them I reckon!

Despite every plant being fed now, they all still seem to be very slow in building up the buds, in all fairness though it is my first attempt at 12/12 and to be fair it could just be down to my impatience. They have defo stopped growing now too, so should be now concentrating all their efforts on flowering.

All of the BB's are quite frosty now too which is a good sign, the temps are still averaging between 24*c & 26*c, but occasionally get to 27*c/28*c lights on, which I'm just wondering if it's the cause of the slowness of the budding maybe?

Also, this Sunday (27th) e-on are shutting off the power supply in my area for "essential maitainance work to powerlines" between 9:00am & 15:00pm.

My dilema is that my lights come on at noon and go off at midnight, would it cause problems to the plants if I extended the dark period from midnight saturday so that they come on at 15:30pm/16:00pm on sunday instead and then switch them back on monday night so that they resume the normal noon-midnight cycle I've had them on?



Week 9.
BB1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB1-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB1-3.jpg
BB2
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB2-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB2-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB2-4.jpg
BB3
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB3-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_BB3-2.jpg
Week 8.
HP
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_HP.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_HP1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/24-9_HP2.jpg

Any help/advice/comments always welcome.

Thanks for dropping by.

[shark]

hi steptoe.. nice plants, they gonna be fine..
regarding the power shut off, dont bother changing your schedules at all. at 12 o'clock when the plants normally wake to the lamp coming on, instead, just take them out the grow room and place them in daylight somewhere in the home, by a window or even hidden in a corner....as long as its not dark they will wake up..put them back in the grow room when the power comes back on.

sound good?

[Steptoe]

Hi Shark thought of that, but the problem is that I'll be away over the weekend helping to decorate my sisters place with her husband. Also one plant is 3ft tall and the next tallest is 2 1/2ft tall so just a bit too tall for a windowsill, not only that but the temps will be right down too.

Thanks for the input though matey.

[bergkamp]

aint dropped in for a while - looking good mate they will start filling right out soon

[Steptoe]

Hi Bergie,

Thanks for dropping in.

So the Big Bangs are now at 10 weeks from seed and the Hash Passion is at 9 weeks today.

The BB's have started to fill out more now, and on BB1 & BB3 I've noticed that the trichomes have started to cloud up with a few going amber on some of the leaves. I reckon they've got about another 3 weeks to go, as I was working on allowing 12-13 weeks from start to finish so it will be intresting to see if I'm right. They aren't going to be big yielders unfortunately, but even so I should get a nice bit of them both with 2 plants left to finish.

BB2 and the Hash Passion though, are going to be sometime yet I think, as they both still have loads of white pistils at the moment and out of all of them BB2 is budding up the best of all. The Hash Passion however hasn't quite started to fill out as much yet, so it will be interesting to see how it is next week. I have noticed though, that it has now started to frost up too, so at least it is progressing along the right lines, again it won't be a big yielder but it will give me good test smoke for next time.

Nothing else to report really as everything seems to be coming on nicely.

I'll update the photo's tomorrow evening as my camera batteries are charging up at the moment.

[Steptoe]

As promised last night here is the week 9 & 10 photo update!


BB1.

It's not going to yield that much really but as you can see it is really coming on now and is also frosting up very well too I don't think it has got that much longer to go either as most of the pistils are orange on it now, probably around 3 more weeks I reckon.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-cola.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-5.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-6.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB1-7.jpg
BB2.

As you can see there is a big difference between them, this one hardly has an orange pistil in sight, but is covered in lovely frostiness you'll also notice that it is a hell of a lot greener than BB1 & BB3, I believe this is down to the others being in Miracle Grow (won't be using it again that's for sure!) as this one is in JI#2 and is on bio bizz nutes. Could be pleasantly surprised come harvest time, not really sure how much longer it will take but as I'm not in a rush no problem. By far the best plant.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB2-SIDE.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB2-COLA2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB2-COLA.jpg

Part 2 to follow.....

[Steptoe]

Part2.....


BB3.

Again not going to be a big yielder but will give me some decent smoke hopefully, slightly more dense in the buds than BB1 and probably slightly more frosty too I reckon? I would say that this one too has probably got another 3 weeks to go also.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB3-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB3-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB3-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_BB3-5.jpg
Hash Pasion.

Still way off finishing not that I’m bothered, as it is still lovely and green so obviously it is still pretty healthy, it has also just started to frost up now aswell which is good news. I have upped the feed it gets from 2ml tomato feed per liter of water to 4ml to see if this has any effect on it budding up as the buds are all very small nuggets at the moment.
Satelite Buds.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-5.jpg
Cola 1 - Densely packed or what?
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-COLA1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-COLA1-2.jpg
Cola 2 - Again densely packed or what?
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-COLA2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-COLA2-1.jpg
Top View.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-TOP.jpg
Side View.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-SIDE.jpg
Front View.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/30-9_HP-FRONT.jpg

Any advice/help/comments always welcome.

[poemsforsealions]

Enjoyed the photos, mate!

[Steptoe]

Hi Poems,

Thanks for dropping by, glad you liked the photo's.

[bhoy]

i always seem 2 join in a bit late,top grow fella:Nice:
thinking of doing a 12/12 myself and this grow is helping me make my mind up:D

[bergkamp]

looking nice and healthy there mate - almost there

[almighty chronic]

lookin good steptoe man,nice and healthy,likin the hash passion with twin colas,keep it up

[welsh wizard 88]

looking very nice!, what yield you expecting mate?, i have 5 strawberry haze's (5 days old at the moment) planning doin a scrog 12/12 direct

[Steptoe]

i always seem 2 join in a bit late,top grow fella:Nice:
thinking of doing a 12/12 myself and this grow is helping me make my mind up:D

Hi Bhoy,

You know what they say - Better late than never!

I would have to say that this 12/12 grow compared to my two last grows as been very much easier with fewer problems. Next time I'll try to keep the height more under control though as that may help with the yield possibly.


looking nice and healthy there mate - almost there

Hi Bergie,

BB1 & BB3 have just had their last feed this evening and will only get plain water for the next couple of weeks now untill they are finished. I'm really looking forward to those two finishing, as BB2 is going to yield much more and it wouldn't hurt with the extra light it will get as too the Hash Passion.


lookin good steptoe man,nice and healthy,likin the hash passion with twin colas,keep it up

Hi Chronic,

You're not the only one! I love the way this strain has responded to 12/12 growing for a "100% traditional landrace" indica, I especially like the way it has responded to being topped.

It has 8 main bud sites/tips with plenty of space between them, the two main colas are really dense and compact as the photo's above show and I'm hopping that they will produce some good buddage by the end.

I'll definitely be growing more of these I think as they're so easy, and I definitely recommend them mate!


looking very nice!, what yield you expecting mate?, i have 5 strawberry haze's (5 days old at the moment) planning doin a scrog 12/12 direct

Hi Wizard,

I think that had I grown all of my plants in JI#2 the results would have been a bit better, as BB1 & BB3 are growing in Miracle Grow and haven't budded up as much as I was expecting them too and they are quite airy so won't yield that much.

But as it is my first try at 12/12 (inspired by Bergkamp's diaries), I'm not expecting loads yield wise from them two, but I am pretty much happy with how the plants are doing especially BB2 & the Hash Passion as these will be the better yielders I think.

Thanks for the comments and for stopping by.

[almighty chronic]

i need sum more seeds i might giv the hash passion a try,dont no weather to do another 12/12 or a veg,lookin gud anywayz m8

[Steptoe]

Hi Chronic,

I don't think you'll be disappointed with them if you do go for them, but the next time I grow them I will veg them for several weeks first to maximise the yield. The one I'm growing at the moment was basically a test grow and seeing how well it is doing this way, I think it is definitely a worthwhile strain to grow.

[The Green Giant]

Hey mate, just stopped by to see if theres an update on your girls?

[Steptoe]

My apologies for not updating last week, was away fishing.

Well, seeing as they were/are 12 weeks from seed today and considering most of the trich's were cloudy/amber I decided to chop BB1 & BB3 this evening. I would say it's probably a week early maybe?

But as they didn't seem to be filling out that much more, I thought the other 2 plants could make better use of the light as they will yield more.

So far the wet weight is 50g (25g each).


BB1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB1-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB1-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB1-4.jpg
BB3.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB3-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB3-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB3-5.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/13-10-BB3-6.jpg


Thanks for dropping by.

[Everyone's bud!]

That looks tasty as mate - can't wait for a smoke report (nudge nudge) ;)

[dirty dude]

yum yum yum yum :D

[almighty chronic]

nice lookin buds steptoe well done m8,its such a shame with the yeilds from 12/12,iv got 3 nl and i dont think ill get f all,good work anywayz chap.
:joint:

[The Green Giant]

well done mate, they look beaut! - its not quanity bruv... but THEM are quality!

mine are in flower now mate if you aint seen my diary, let me know what you think?

again well done, let me know the dry weight and smoke report n all ;)

[Steptoe]

Hi Chaps,

Thanks for the comments and for dropping by, I'm not too disappointed with them really considering it was my first attempt at 12/12, especially considering they were grown in miracle grow.

I still have another Big Big to go, which is still throwing out loads of white pistils all over so I'm expecting a much better harvest from it, the main cola is learning over slightly due to the weight of it. Also the Hash Passion is coming on really nice too with hardly an orange pistil in sight, and both should give some nice quality buds.

[almighty chronic]

hi steptoe,

sorry m8 i may have given the wrong impression relating to the yield,i dont mean yours presonally,i just mean in general.

[welsh wizard 88]

mmmmmmmmmm looking good mate, very intrested to seeing the final dry wieght of the 4 plants, i have 4 strawb haze currently on day 17 from sprout 12/12, under a scrog the one has just hit the net now,getting excited :leaf:, a diary is in need i think
anyway keep um coming mate :bong:

[Steptoe]

Hi Chronic,

I gathered that matey ;), and although BB2 is by far my biggest/best plant it ain't going to produce loads, but it will be a lot more than BB1 & BB3 put together probably 1.5oz-2oz dry if I'm lucky.

So I see what you mean about the yield thing mate, having said that, with more light(s) they would probably do a bit better.

Smoke report and other bits to follow in due course folks!

[welsh wizard 88]

look forward to it mate :smokie:

[bergkamp]

well done mate , looks nice

[Steptoe]

Hi Bergkamp,

Thanks for dropping by matey, it's quite "airy" but at least it's a smoke from my first 12/12 attempt, with a couple of plants to go.

My next 12/12 will be much better hopefully.

[bergkamp]

as long as it does the job and gets you wasted its a successful grow .

[welsh wizard 88]

hows the smell mate?,iv noticed you aint using a cf an seem to be in the same position as me ,growing in the cuboard without a tent/box,i seem to get along fine though :leaf:

[bhoy]

well done steptoe
all you need is more plants and that sorts out the yeild and like bercamp said as long as u got good green then all is well:leaf:
lookin forward to see'in the other two:leaf:

[Steptoe]

Hi Bhoy,

I think the main problem with the yield was controlling the height I suppose, had I kept them shorter they might have done a bit better. But as it was my first attempt I didn't know what to expect growth-wise.

Still I've learned loads from it, so not too bad I think at the moment!

Thanks for dropping by matey.

[REDJELLYNINJA]

Nice result Steptoe. I'm loving these 12/12 diaries. Jus makes me wonder why anyone would do autos indoors now. You get more strains to choose from doin 12/12 over autos with decent results. Good job mate. Lookin forward to the next one.

[Eggbox]

Very nice steptoe, the next one should be good :smokie:

[almighty chronic]

Nice result Steptoe. I'm loving these 12/12 diaries. Jus makes me wonder why anyone would do autos indoors now. You get more strains to choose from doin 12/12 over autos with decent results. Good job mate. Lookin forward to the next one.

i second that aswell about autos and 12/12,autos are usally more expensive aswell i think.

[Steptoe]

Yeh Chronic,

Most of the fem autos I've seen are around £9 each.

[Steptoe]

Hi Folks,

Update time I think, BB2 and the Hash Passion are starting to lean a bit now, might have to support them, especially the HP as it could end up splitting the stem where I topped it.

BB2 is probably another 2-3 weeks (hopefully) from finishing I would say, and is going to produce my best yield. I reckon it is roughly about 35-40% cloudy/5-10% amber at the moment.

I decided to put the HP in p.o.t.m. to show her off despite it not being anywhere near ready yet.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/15-10-POTM-HP.jpg

The 2 plants I harvested a few days back are finally dry enough to be put in the cure jar for it to work its magic. Hopefully it will improve flavor-wise a bit.

BB1 & BB3.
Preliminary report.

Cons
Taste-wise it’s like a really strong earthy skunk. :(

Smell, not much to them, even though they did smell like sweet apples/over-ripe mango/with citrus hints when growing. :(:(

Yield from 2 plants 50g wet – 12g dry (just under) :(:(:(

Pros
Buds dried quite tight (well, tighter than I was Expecting), and I quite liked the shape they grew. :)

Showed sex at 3 & 3½ weeks :):)

Definitely a night-time smoke, mongs you out and pins you to the sofa. Good body stone, reasonably long lasting and very relaxing/narcotic. If like me you suffer from “restless legs” then this could be a good choice. A spliff of this before bed and your legs turn to lead! :):):)

[welsh wizard 88]

what do you think youre gonna get from the big one mate, its a smoke mate init :joint: an considering you was using one envirolight aswell, how many lumens do they put out???

[Steptoe]

Hi Wizard,

From the big one I think it might be between 37.5g-50g dry, as the main cola is pretty solid, is 12" long and still producing pistils.

I dred touching the pots now as both plants sway a bit when I do.

[The Green Giant]

Not all bad then mate, cant expect massive amounts from your CFl 12/12 grow, plus the little probs you had along the way, learn and improve from it ;)

at least when youve smoked it, "you know whats in/on it" (no sand,glass etc)
have you made bubble out of the trimming? might be worth it mate all is not bad

[welsh wizard 88]

sounds good mate, i have another 10 weeks to wait yet before i can have a smoke,look forward to the dry weight mate

[wert]

just popping my head in steptoe.
well done,it's all looking easier for you now.i would say you need stronger light to get the full benefit from 12/12 ,although i have seen some good grows with cfl's a 400 or 600 hps will make the harvest so much bigger as you saw in the link i sent you.
well done on a sucessful grow .wert

[Steptoe]

Thanks for the comments guys,

Hi Wert,

Thanks for dropping in matey, I'm going to be putting in another 200w/250w enviro for my next grow, which will really help.
I have to use CFL's because of the heat, but yes you do get the best results with HPS from what I've seen.
Not sure yet what strain(s) I'll do next though, so we'll have to see.

[The Green Man]

nice one steptoe. 12g harvest isnt too bad considering that would cost you over £80 to buy where im from

looking forward to the harvest of the big one :)

[almighty chronic]

nice shot of the hash passion steptoe looks sweet.

[Steptoe]

nice one steptoe. 12g harvest isnt too bad considering that would cost you over £80 to buy where im from

looking forward to the harvest of the big one :)

Hi Green Man,

Yeh, around my area it would cost £75, but wouldn't be no where near as good too!


nice shot of the hash passion steptoe looks sweet.

Hi Chronic,

I know it is taking a bit longer to finish but I thought I'd put it in the comp now, as it looks quite nice I reckon. A few of the leaves are starting to brown up now and die off, still no orange pistils yet either.

Thanks for dropping by chaps.

[Steptoe]

Hi Folks,

Here's a little update for you.

By my calculations I reckon the HP is now at about the 4½-5 week point of “proper” flowering, judging by the look of it? Some of the lower satellite buds are now starting to get one or two orange pistils and a few of the leaves are browning up too, so it’s getting ready for the final flourish I reckon. The two main colas are really densely packed and covered in trich’s as are the lower satellite buds (although much smaller).


Cola 1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_HP_C1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_HP_C1-2.jpg
Cola 2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_HP_C2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_HP_C2-2.jpg

I reckon that BB2 is now at the week 6 point of “proper” flowering, it is still throwing out new pistils all over it but not as frequently now as it was doing. I would say that the trich’s are probably about 40-45% cloudy 10% amber at the moment, so still a little more to go yet.
For a 12/12 grow the main cola is really tightly packed I'd say, rather than "airy", which can happen with 12/12 growing I believe, but I think you'll agree though that she's not l@@king too bad is she?


A few shots of the main Cola.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_BB2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_BB2-3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_BB2-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_BB2-4.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/18-10_BB2-5.jpg

I’m a bit surprised at how green these are still looking, I didn’t feed them any nutes last time I watered them, as I’ve been feeding them quite heavily so they shouldn’t need any just yet. I was thinking about starting to reduce the Bio-Bloom dosage for BB2 from next feed as it’s been getting 7ml/1½L water, hopefully it should only have about another 3 weeks to go (fingers crossed) or should I just keep feeding it right to the end?

Any advice/comments/help always appreciated.

Thanks for dropping by.

[The_Hunter]

:leaf::leaf::leaf:
looking good

[Steptoe]

Thanks for dropping by Hunter, nice to see you around matey.

[The Green Man]

Looking nice there steptoe mate, I was gonna grow hash passion but decided to grow some seeds I already had, think I'll need to add it to my list tho

[bergkamp]

loving the plants mate , bb2 look sweet

[dirty dude]

mouth watering :)

[ME SMOKEM]

nice work m8 ..my HP was topped twice in 5 week veg time she got around 32 inches up from pot top..i was happy with smoke but i was dissapointed in bud structure of the hp plant i thought it was gonna be alot higher calaxy to leaf ratio...mine seemed like it had alot of leaf in the bud.....peace

[Steptoe]

Looking nice there steptoe mate, I was gonna grow hash passion but decided to grow some seeds I already had, think I'll need to add it to my list tho

Hi Green Man,

Thanks for dropping by, I'm pretty pleased with Hash Passion really, especially considering it was kept in a 2L pot for several weeks to keep it small. One thing that hadn't occured to me until Smokem mentioned it, was the leaf/calyx ratio, I just assumed that mine was growing ok and would fill out loads, but they do seem to have quite leafy buds. Having said that though, they do seem to be getting a bit higher/taller, so we shall see?


loving the plants mate , bb2 look sweet

Hi Bergie,

Thanks for dropping by matey, Although BB1 & BB3 didn't perform the same, I'm quite pleased with my first 12/12 grow. BB2 has definitely produced the goods I reckon and as you say "she looks sweet" I'm dying to see her finished.


mouth watering :)

Hi Mystic,

Let's hope so matey, but she does like it hey?


nice work m8 ..my HP was topped twice in 5 week veg time she got around 32 inches up from pot top..i was happy with smoke but i was dissapointed in bud structure of the hp plant i thought it was gonna be alot higher calaxy to leaf ratio...mine seemed like it had alot of leaf in the bud.....peace

Hi Smokem,

As you pointed out mate I can see what you mean now, I hadn't really thought about it to be honest so thanks for the heads up. The buds feel really solidly packed and seem to be getting a bit higher/taller in the two main colas at the moment. Considering seedsman describe it has "Big resinous buds" I have to admit, I wouldn't really say that, going by my first impression of it. But in all fairness it has got quite a bit more to go yet though so we'll see if it does improve, I reckon seedsmans timings are quite a bit out though possibly?

[bigbudben]

love this grow m8 quitely watched from side lines for sum time it very much resembles my own grow of 2 orange bud from 12 12 there getin there now but unfortunate for me 12/12 from start hasnt seemed to give me no wer near as good yeilding plants comparing to jus 3 weeks of veging. iv enjoyed watchin ur grow and mine comparing themn both and would like to congratulate u on a great diary

[Steptoe]

Hi BigBud,

I'm glad my diary's been of interest to you (must be doing something right then) just need to get the plant growing part sorted now. :laugh:

You're right about the veg period I think, I would have got a much better result had they been vegged a couple of weeks, but I was just curious to see how well they would do this way, maybe next time?

Thanks for dropping by matey.

[Steptoe]

Hi Folks,

Got some bad news, despit the Hash Passion being a small plant which wasn't going to yield much anyway.

Well I'm afraid that I've just discovered that it has hermied/sprouted loads of pollen bananas and is riddled with seeds in all the buds, just like the Seedsman Top 44's I grew did and at the same time period into flowering (coincidence?).

I suppose it could be down to being topped but I don't think so, the temps have generally been between 26-28.5c so I don't think it's due the heat/cold.

The only other thing that I can think it could be was the time I was away fishing for the weekend and it was all limp/droppy when I got back and in dire need of a good watering, but I don't know to be honest.

Luckily enough though it dosen't appear to have affected BB2 which is good news, so not too sure now if I want to keep it going, just incase it does as it's still got 2 or 3 weeks to go yet.


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/HERMIE_HP.jpg

Any advice guys?

[bergkamp]

i would have thought topping them on 12/12 might have been the cause, stressing them when in flower is not good ,although saying that ive snapped stems right over to fit them in my space when heavily in flower with no problems ,
did you top the top44's as well ?

[The Green Man]

Unlucky steptoe :( I wouldn't remove her tbh I'd just keep checkng her every day If you can, my Seedsman ata tundra's have a high leaf to caylx ratio too btw

[almighty chronic]

wounded steptoe m8,sorry bout the hermie,all you can do is keep an eye on her/he.hope the bb pulls through,you say it seems to be ok so cool.

[bhoy]

shame about the ladyboy mate an a hope the bb works out ok for u mate:leaf:

[Steptoe]

i would have thought topping them on 12/12 might have been the cause, stressing them when in flower is not good ,although saying that ive snapped stems right over to fit them in my space when heavily in flower with no problems ,
did you top the top44's as well ?

Hi Bergie,

No I didn't top the 44's I did, one was Lst'd and the other was Supper Cropped just at the point of going into full flower, the HP was topped a week before it showed pre-flowers and was doing alright or so I thought!

To be honest though, I think it has to be down to the time it dried out and went all droopy coz I was away fishing.


Unlucky steptoe :( I wouldn't remove her tbh I'd just keep checkng her every day If you can, my Seedsman ata tundra's have a high leaf to caylx ratio too btw

Hi Green Man,

Yeh, it's a shame as I was really looking forward to it finishing, but at least there will still be a bit of a tester smoke on it, as it was only put down as a sampler anyway.


wounded steptoe m8,sorry bout the hermie,all you can do is keep an eye on her/he.hope the bb pulls through,you say it seems to be ok so cool.

Hi Chronic,

Yeh, a bit of a gutter matey, but not all bad I suppose, as I might get a couple of fem HP seeds out of it, possibly? I crawled all over BB2 this morning checking for any signs of seeds, I couldn't really see any but you never know.

If there are any on it they should be fems shouldn't they? If so Hash Bang don't sound too bad I reckon. :laugh:




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On the positive side I suppose, it's probably a good job that Hash Passion has a high leaf-calyx ratio as this may have helped to halt the spread of pollen, and protect BB2 from it. I don't want it messing up with only 2 or 3 weeks to go now!

Hi Bhoy,

Well sometimes these things happen (well to me anyway :laugh:) despite our best efforts, but I'm not too down about it though as I'll still get a tester from it. I've learned plenty from this grow and will get better (eventually :laugh:), onwards and upwards as they say!

Thanks for the responses guys.

[welsh wizard 88]

ahhh thats a shame mate, happend to me on my first grow due to light leaks it was quite apparent at the time but i did fuck all to rectify it an got fucked purely my fault though :rolleyes:, second grow now though ' large an in charge' :deviltoker:
best of luck with the rest of the grow bud :thcleaf:

[Steptoe]

Hi Folks,

Time for an update.

Well, I’m at nearly 14 weeks (Tuesday) and unfortunately or fortunately (whichever way you want to look at it) the HP did pollinate BB2, luckily though, it hasn't affected the main cola at all from what I can see.



https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/25-10-BB2_Plant.jpg


There are however a few satellite buds that have been pollinated, and are showing signs of seed production (I think), as they aren't chucking out any new pistils and the calyx's are starting to split showing little green pods. With a bit of luck I might get a half a dozen viable HPxBB fem seeds from it possibly?

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/25-10-BB2-1.jpg


I decided to get rid of the HP hermie a few days ago as I don't want to risk BB2’s main cola getting pollinated aswell especially this close to finishing. I got 25g wet from it, which dried to just under a quarter oz, but it is extremely leafy bud which is a shame really as the plant seems to grow so well.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/25-10-BB2.jpg


As you can see above & below it's still producing plenty of new pistils on the main cola, I was kinda hopping it would be finished by next week end, but I don't think it will be though judging by the way it's still producing pistils.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/978/medium/25-10-BB2-2.jpg


What I suppose I need now, is some advice on harvesting, as the main cola is going to finish way before the seeds are fully developed!


Any advice/comments/help always appreciated.

Thanks for dropping in.

[wert]

harvest the unseeded buds and leave the others till the seeds have matured.
i do this in most grows even if the plant has not been pollinated.a larger plant is rarely at the same stage of maturity allover.

[Steptoe]

Hi Wert,

So I can just cut the cola off then matey, is it best to cut just above the branches/buds I want to leave on (like topping it, so-to-speak).

Thanks for dropping in matey.

[wert]

Hi Wert,

So I can just cut the cola off then matey, is it best to cut just above the branches/buds I want to leave on (like topping it, so-to-speak).

Thanks for dropping in matey.
yes you can ,i would cut the unpollinated buds and leave the stems with seeded bud intack to mature .some seeds near maturity will finish off in the drying bud if left on.

[almighty chronic]

nice plant steptoe,she takin her time tho aint she,(women lol)

[Steptoe]

Hi Chronic,

She seems to be, but then she is 3ft tall with a solid cola just under 12" long, the others were all under 2ft. In her defence though, I am only using 1x 200w CFL so can't grumble too much really.

The last couple of feeds I have reduced in strength slightly from 7ml Bloom to 5ml per litre. A couple of the cola leaves are now starting to change color, so I'm hopping that this means it's trying to finish by using up its stored nutes and stuff.

Anyway matey thanks for dropping in.

[almighty chronic]

no problem steptoe,i knew she looked tall,not that tall tho,takes as long as it takes int it,bet theres some sum weight in that beast of a cola...

[Steptoe]

Hi Chronic,

Yeh, I have to tie it to the walls just to keep it upright, when I watered it last time I nearly snapped the stem moving it round, it's so heavy. I'll be very happy with 1 1/2oz dry but I reckon it's gonna be closer to 2oz maybe 2 1/2oz I think.

Still, it don't matter too much if it has to go a bit longer just as long as it gives me some good bud to smoke which I have no doubt it will do, and it'll be ready just in time for crimbo too.

[Steptoe]

Hi Folks,

Well, I suppose I better finish this diary of then!

Firstly, soz for not getting round to finishing this off the other week but I've been a bit busy lately.

So I chopped the last Big Bang a couple of weeks ago now and it was a much better smoke than the first 2 plants.

If/when I decide to upgrade to an HPS light I would defo grow these again on a 12/12 cycle. Whereas growing them 12/12 with a 200w CFL isn't really worth it (or at least it hasn't been for me), they did stretch quite a bit and one was just over 3ft tall.

But despite not yielding that much I am pretty happy with my first 12/12 attempt.

The quality of the finished product is spot on, not much smell to them though, but they do have a nice fruity/earthy/citrus flavour which is quite mouth watering. Most importantly though it is pretty strong and last reasonably well too, not one that you'd want too much of during the day, but perfect just before bed as it pins you to the sofa.

Ease of Growing :) :) :) :)

Yield :) :) :)

Smell :) :)

Taste :) :) :) :)

So, the final DRY weight from the 3 Bangs is just over 1¼oz of pukka smoke!

I'm already contemplating my next grow, which may be an hydro not too sure yet, not even sure if it'll be a 12/12 either, but it will probably consist of LSD and/or Power Africa.

Things should be much better next time round though as I'm investing in a proper grow tent and proper extraction too, along with a 300w red cfl light unit, which will give me 500w so hopefully my yields will increase a bit and I won't/shouldn't have anymore heat issues or light leaks to battle with.

Thanks for all the comments/advice guys/gals and thank you for showing your interest it's much appreciated.

[almighty chronic]

all good steptoe,glad ur enjoyin ur smoke,not a too bad yeild in the end m8,good work.:joint:

[Steptoe]

Hi Chronic,

No, it worked out ok in the end, oh and it wasn't producing seeds after all it was just the calyxes swelling. BB2 did however throw out 1 set of pollen sacks on one of the lower branches though, but that was due to how long it was growing for I think?

Roll on my next grow.