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tripr
22-11-09, 12:00 PM
This will be my 1st grow using this type of lighting seems to be going ok. flowering now using the 200w veg bulb + 60w 2700k tube,i know 2700k is best but this is all i have a present, will get a big 2700k next though i think.
grown widow and bigbud clones. turned to 12/12 at about 6" using 4 identical small clones per pot, adding a new batch each week.
so hopefully i can harvest a pot every 2 weeks or so.

https://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6971&stc=1&d=1258887529ontinually harvest a pot every 2 weeks or so.

tripr
22-11-09, 01:06 PM
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tripr
22-11-09, 01:10 PM
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shouldnt be flowering this well under 6400k light should it trichs apearing on the lower colas to now.
just added a wired pc fan to the wardrobe

widowsmite
23-11-09, 12:33 AM
good work mate! keep it up

tripr
23-11-09, 09:52 AM
Thanks m8 done a bit of lst'ing this morning to try and get the bottom nugs to catch up.
Went better this time 1st time i tried i snapped a main stem of my favrout baby, taped it up an she recovered thank god.
temp sits at 71f all day ph is perfect.
its going well, them big cfl's are awsome i never expected to see colas develop so fast. I gave the farthest flowered plant a shot of pk yesterday. maybe a bit early but see what happens.Im pretty sure its the 3rd week of 12/12 today

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tripr
26-11-09, 01:26 PM
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tripr
30-11-09, 04:15 PM
Its the start of week 5 ,Not to much change really. wishin id got the flowering bulb now instead.
Flushed it out this morning with a run off ph of 6.2 is that reasonable. i never bothered checking my run off before.

WeeDa
02-12-09, 01:01 AM
tripr nice plants man:) sweet to have new to replace the old when you have harvested:) didn't think about that when i started to flower and now it's too late to take clones:( keep it up m8;)

tripr
03-12-09, 10:34 AM
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nice one m8. got all 5 pots a week to two weeks apart from each other just a little experiment to see if i can keep myself supplied lol. constantly taking new clones in another small box from a mother white widow which was awsome bigest buds quicker growin stinkier an tastier than any of the others from an old mh/hps grow
love these enviros no stress from electric costs no heat issues less worry from old bill taking everything iv worked so hard to achieve.

tripr
06-12-09, 01:09 PM
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added 3 small 2700k cfls just lighting all my buds
start off week six for tis one tomorrow
so so hard not to take a bit to smoke somedays patience

WeeDa
09-12-09, 12:19 AM
nice man:) yeah it's almost impossible to wait.

WeeDa
15-12-09, 09:46 AM
update coming?:)

tripr
17-12-09, 10:41 AM
hadnt been able to post felt to ashamed lol on week 7 i cut it down the ripest white widows nugs had a few amber trichs, so i chopped em. but then i must av lost my mind or something cos i ended up chopping the rest of the pot.
Ended up with 48g of bud tastes awsome an friuty an it does its job im impressed with what i got from the 4 small 6" clones in one pot. should have let it grow longer but wasnt unimpressed either
got a big bud next on week 6 flower
an bought some molasses to try out.

WeeDa
20-12-09, 02:28 PM
you dont need to feel ashamed, we are no more than humans:P sounds really nice man:P awsome man you must tell me how the smoke from big bud is. im planning on buying some myself:)

afriendinneed
21-12-09, 05:55 AM
Good work tripr!

tripr
22-12-09, 08:34 AM
Thanks man big bud was a good smoke bit hot on the throat but gave me the mega munchies plus give me double the amount weed that the widow did
personal rating
smokability ..big bud 6/10 ammount 9/10
smokability ..white widow 9/10 ammount 7/10
treated the widow like gold dust an you only need a little of it anyway :p
got a feminized super silver haze seed growing for a little cloning now to
adapted my wardrobe for more space with a little mylar and wood plus a door and lock,added a osilating fan hanging from the celing, just waiting on a 300w 2700k cfl an reflector to be delivered now

tripr
23-12-09, 10:18 AM
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tripr
23-12-09, 10:29 AM
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23-12-09, 10:36 AM
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TheGreenMachine
23-12-09, 10:50 AM
Thanks man big bud was a good smoke bit hot on the throat but gave me the mega munchies plus give me double the amount weed that the widow did
personal rating
smokability ..big bud 6/10 ammount 9/10
smokability ..white widow 9/10 ammount 7/10
treated the widow like gold dust an you only need a little of it anyway :p
got a feminized super silver haze seed growing for a little cloning now to
adapted my wardrobe for more space with a little mylar and wood plus a door and lock,added a osilating fan hanging from the celing, just waiting on a 300w 2700k cfl an reflector to be delivered now

Congratts on your success matey.
Good to hear you're enjoying the fruits of your labour :)

Some nice looking plants you got there.

tripr
24-12-09, 09:28 AM
Changed out the bulb for a 300w 2700k not to sure if i should try to get the 200w 6400k blazing alongeside it or just use the flowering bulb alone

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tripr
28-12-09, 07:03 AM
Changed out the bulb for a 300w 2700k not to sure if i should try to get the 200w 6400k blazing alongeside it or just use the flowering bulb alone

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tripr
28-12-09, 07:30 AM
Added the other light so now it has 500w cfl 300w red 200w white still small an stealthy well everthing but the smell that seems to have intensified a load. really need a cheap carbon scrubber next. temps have jumped up to 79f
flushed the bigbud yesterday after noticing the tips burning
it doesnt seem to handle heavy nutes like the white widows do.
25ml coco A
25ml coco B
6ml pk13/14
tablespoon mollases
teaspoon epsom salts
10L water
got some 4-4-8 tomato food aswell was thinkin of throwin in to the mix now the bigbud no longer needs nutes

tripr
30-12-09, 12:23 PM
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tripr
31-12-09, 11:39 AM
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white widow

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little clonin zone

tripr
02-01-10, 02:24 PM
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dj #
02-01-10, 02:51 PM
looking like a worthy entry for the POTM competition there tripr :weed:

tripr
03-01-10, 08:45 AM
looking like a worthy entry for the POTM competition there tripr :weed:

Cheers m8 ya think so, how do i go about that then. Just noticed i put all them images on the wrong way aswell lol stoner.
You can definetly tell the difference using just 6400k the buds were nice but with the 2700k bulb now there nice dense solid buds.
I try not to touch em to much but sometimes i cant keep ma hands off the ladies.

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tripr
06-01-10, 09:22 AM
Does curing affect potency?

The very short answer is YES. It does affect potency in a very positive manner. Curing cannabis after harvesting for few days to several months will improve the potency, as well as the taste and texture of the buds.

Curing takes place after cannabis has been harvested, manicured and partially dried. Most cannabis will retain a significant quantity of moisture within its stems and inner buds even when the outside feels dry. This is especially true for very dense buds, more care must be taken in drying loose airy buds because sometimes they can dry too fast.

Should a sample of bud become over-dried before proper curing is complete, many different techniques may be used to slightly re-hydrate the bud and continue curing as normal. Fresh buds, orange or lemon peels, lettuce, apple or many other fresh fruits and vegetables can be added to a sealed jar of pot to allow more moisture to diffuse into it. Plain water either sprayed directly on or applied via towel to the buds is also a good way to re-moisten them.

Be very careful when re-moisturizing buds though, because sometimes the re-moisturizing material can carry pathogenic fungi and bacteria, Which if not monitored carefully, can destroy your crop. Venting, checking, turning, and even re-moistening of buds is necessary so that the proper moisture content to promote curing is present, slow even drying is the optimum process for curing cannabis.

The preferred container for curing and storage of cannabis buds is an all glass jar, with a large opening for easy access. Wide-mouth canning jars with glass bodies and tops with a rubber seal are an ideal choice. Less preferred are small-mouth canning jars with metal or plastic lids. Generally try to avoid all plastics in direct or close contact with your cannabis. Generally these materials are slightly porous and the phenolic acids and terpenoids can react with plastics, but not with glass.

Initially drying can be preformed free hanging or enclosed in cardboard boxes or paper bags, both of which will act as a desiccant.

There are several process and effects which take place during curing that can rationally and scientifically explain the increase in potency and improvement of the smoke in cured material:

Moisture Content

Moisture is essential for the curing process, it is both your friend and enemy. If too much moisture is left in the buds, with out the regular mixing, venting and turning of buds involved with curing, molds and bacteria can quickly form and ruin the taste and potency of your stash. On the other hand, without the necessary moisture metabolic processes essential to curing do not take place.

Fresh cannabis plants are around 80% water (all %’s by weight); curing generally begins after the cannabis has lost half of it’s initial mass, and contains approximately 33% of it’s initial water.

Once curing is complete and the pot is “dry”, it should still contain 10-15% moisture, approximately 2-4% of its’ initial water. This is an ideal because most bacteria and molds can not grow below 15% water content, and below 10% cannabis buds tend to powder.

Cannabinoid Conversion

Naturally, as the metabolic processes continue during curing, the conversion of cannabergerol to tetrahydrocannabinol will continue and the potency of the pot will increase. This is because cannabergerol (CBG) is the non-psychoactive precursor for tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). Of course, the exact change in THC content will necessarily be dependant upon the concentration of CBG in the fresh material at harvest. Of course any remaining precursors necessary to form additional cannabidiol (CBD) and other cannabinoids will also be consumed and converted.

Be aware though if curing is excessively prolonged (most connoisseurs would agree after 6 months no more benefit could be had from curing), the conversion of THC to non-psychoactive cannabinol (CBN) will occur. The exact rate of decomposition can vary widely depending on handling and storage conditions, but can be less than 10% to greater than 40% decomposition per year.

Storage tips:

Potency during curing and storage can be maintained by observing some basic precautions:

The buds need to be kept in the dark, protected from light, which will quickly decompose the THC.

Moderated temperatures should be observed during curing, 50-75F being ideal.

Excessively hot temperatures will promote oxidation and the growth of mold and bacteria, and very cold temperatures can prolong curing and drying for up to several months.

During storage, buds should be stored as cold as possible, if temperatures of 0C or less are to be used, make sure the bud is dried to a very low moisture content before storage (to insure that cell walls are not burst by the freezing water).
Also, if prolonged storage is planned evacuating the oxygen and replacing it with carbon dioxide, nitrogen, argon, nitrous oxide, or any other inert gas will help slow oxidation, as well as the addition of antioxidants such as ascorbic acid packets or vitamin C tablets.

The most stable way to store cannabis is as whole unbroken buds or unpressed trichomes. Excessive rough handling or pressing can easily damage the protective cell walls and plant waxes that help protect cannabinoids from oxidation.

Continued Metabolism

Also as these metabolic process take place, the plant needs energy which leads it to consume the sugars, starches, nitrates, and minerals. Many of these compounds are metabolized and released as water and carbon dioxide, therefore removing what is essentially inert material from the pot increasing the concentration of cannabinoids therefore making it more potent.

Much of these positive metabolic processes can be most effectively begun with thourough flushing and stripping of the plant before harvest. This will help reduce the amount of time necessary for a good cure.

Curing will not only improve potency, but the color and look of most cannabis buds because as the chlorophyll is broken down purple, gold, and white coloration can emerge and the trichomes will appear more pronounced.

Decarboxylation

Some decarboxylization will take place during curing as well. This happens when the carboxyl group (COOH) located at C-2, C-4, or the end of the hydrocarbon chain at C-3 is destroyed leaving a hydrogen attached and liberating CO2.

Decarboxylization is necessary to convert cannabinoids to usable psychoactive forms; the plants (and your body) carboxylize cannabinoids to make them more soluble in water (for metabolic reactions and excretion).

Research indicates that this effect is fairly minimal during the curing process though. Decarboxylization will take place naturally very rapidly at temperatures of over 100C. So smoking and most any cooking will decarboxylize the cannabinoids. As decarboxylization occurs, the loss of CO2 will liberate a small amount of inert material making the pot more potent via concentration of the cannabinoids.

Taste & Odor

Terpenoids are the highly volatile compounds that give marijuana much of its’ characteristic odors, and therefore tastes.

The most current research also suggests terpenoids lend to the high, sometimes very significantly. Cannabinoids are phenolated terepenes so it’s not surprising that many hundreds of different terpenoids are synthesized as well.

As pot ages, some of the terpenoids go through polycyclic aromatization in the process of decomposition. This agglomeration of terpenoids will change the flavor; hence the ability of cured pot to show flavors that didn’t seem present in the original fresh material. Much of the very volatile terpenoids will also evaporate and or decompose, especially with prolonged curing or storage. This action will remove some matter from the pot increasing the cannabinoid concentration and therefore potency.

It must be noted that excessively long curing or storage, higher temperatures, or extremely low moisture content will cause such through evaporation of the terpenoids that the cannabis will generally loose almost all of it’s natural flavors.

tripr
09-01-10, 05:33 PM
cant seem to get this super silver haze looking healthy

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big bud 3 days left till 8 weeks

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tripr
10-01-10, 08:32 AM
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Got an a.m.s seed from greenhouse seeds planted nearly ordered more today.
not sure whether to get blue cheese from big buddah seeds or cheese from greenhouse seeds has anyone tried any of these strains

tripr
10-01-10, 11:06 AM
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