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Axel Man
30-11-09, 09:54 PM
Hi all!!I m growning for the first time!I'm grownig from seed Nothern Light from sensi seeds.I m already in day 6 since they got off the ground.My vegetetive space is a box 60cmX50cmX85cm tall.I have installed 4 25WATT fluros.2 cool and two warm white. My medium is light mix.The temps up till now are around 25 C with lights on. PH at around 7 for water and 7.5 in ground if I measure it right...hehe.The space is imagine a very small attic 2.5mX2mX0.9m tall.I really have a height problem so I m seriously thinking of scrog. I think its the only way in such space. And some photos...the litlle one is almost 3.5cm and the other at around 6cm tall.

Wish me luck fellows..!!Any advices and remarks welcome and thankfull!Peace!:)

JJheg
03-12-09, 02:41 AM
Good luck mate!

Axel Man
03-12-09, 06:50 AM
Well...I guess the diary won't start so well!!The leaves last night of the taller one didn't look so good.Last time (when I made my first post) i wattered them 30ml's with nutes.I put in 1.5L 1ml bio-roots 1ml bio-grow and 1.5 ml bio-heaven.Two days before that they had 30mls again with 1ml bio-roots deluted in 1.5L.And before that almost every day 30ml of water. Now I read the posts that say that NO nutes for first 2-3 weeks from seed must be given to them and water only 1-2 times a week!!!FUCK!:banghead:

And god damn it I forgot my camera to show you some pics from them to have some advices!:banghead::banghead:I will post them in the afternoon now when I get my camera.I thought to flush them but I wanted to get few advices from you guys and comfirm it.

So until the pics...the two leaves had a C-shape (imagine the gap of the C facing down).They were wrinkling.And I have the suspision of a burning starting on the tips.But not sure for it,it was very very very small.I doubt if it can be seen in the pics.And today night I ll get some more pics to show.

....p.s. English is not my native language and they are a bit rusty...so sorry if i make mistakes!!:rolleye:

hellfire
03-12-09, 11:21 AM
flush it dude, put ur pot inside ur bath and let water running slowly through the soil and let it drain out for 10-15mins , just make sure the water is going slowly and then let it try completely before watering again. hope it works and hope someone with more experience can help you out better than me :)

Axel Man
03-12-09, 05:30 PM
I flushed them already.There were no signs of burn though that I was fearing to find today.They are i the same condition as the pictures below.So here are the last night pics.I ll put new ones tommorow afternoon.

Both of them.
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The bigger one.You can see the leaves have fold downwards.

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The little that is not so bad

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samantipants
03-12-09, 08:27 PM
id stop messin with em mate, give them a few days to recover from the flush

only water them when the soil is almost dry, or the pot feels light to pick up.

i once fryed my babies
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i used soil that was far to strong

i flushed them, then after a few days repotted them in bigger pots using seedling soil

they soon picked up
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and made me lots of bud
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good luck fella, my fingers are crossed for you!!

Axel Man
04-12-09, 10:28 PM
thanks for the encouragement samantipants!!

well things going still wrong!new leaves look burned but i guess because I flashed yesterday they might had already take the nuts. Anyway for safety I also moved them a bit away from the lamp.

the pics of desaster...
first the tall one....very curled leaves,very stressed.

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and the little one... his leaves ain't that curled but it has also burns in new leaves.

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really hope to recover. first grow much things to learn!!reading about growing has nothing to do with doing it!!:)

Axel Man
06-12-09, 01:29 PM
Hey ppl. Its been almost 3 days since flushing both of them had no water since and here are some pics with some thoughts...

Taller plant...
It doesn't look any better. Worse due to the flushing iI think that it has sympoms of overwatering. The leafes beside the curlind down now they have drop down too. Also I notice that in the start of the big ill leafes they look very yellow.

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The smaller one looks hunging a bit better. still I think he needs also muh days to recover fully. And the new little leafes have also sings of oberwatering but the larger ones look to give a lot of fight not to take the downfall.

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Also a PH measurment on both show around 7.5 so I m thinking when I watter the (i assume the day after tommorow) I will use lime to lower it at 6.5 to 6.2. Do you think its a bad idea and not add the lime to lower the PH??

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samantipants
07-12-09, 10:24 AM
if i were you id repot in to big pots using seedling soil give them a good watering with bottled water then leave them well alone

ph shouldnt really matter when growin in soil so dont worry to much about that

dj #
07-12-09, 12:10 PM
ph shouldnt really matter when growin in soil so dont worry to much about thatit does matter

an ideal pH value would be around 6.5 ph for soil growing

i wouldnt rely on that meter you have axel man to tell you the pH of the soil, they are very inaccurate
get a soil test kit to verify the pH level instead ok

and dont go adding anymore nutes or lime or whatever to the soil
just repot into decent big pots as advised with a mix of decent seedling and/or garden compost with approx 10-20 % Perlite added

Axel Man
07-12-09, 01:59 PM
i wouldnt rely on that meter you have axel man to tell you the pH of the soil, they are very inaccurate
get a soil test kit to verify the pH level instead ok

and dont go adding anymore nutes or lime or whatever to the soil

right now thats is my equipment. I must rely to that meter for now dj!:(
i hope to improve it fast although there are other things needed more right now like ventilation system.

So the final question is how will i lower the ph of watter so as to lower and the soils?




just repot into decent big pots as advised with a mix of decent seedling and/or garden compost with approx 10-20 % Perlite added

I will repot very soon maybe today as the roots have come under the cup. I have all-mix and light-mix soils. Right now the plants are in light mix. So I guess I'll use that again with another 15% Perlite. Is this OK?

jhon konners
07-12-09, 02:37 PM
Generally, to gradually, and permanatly, lower the pH of soil, you add organic material, that decomposes, it more acid compounds -- things like manure, compost and the like. The garden store sells them. You Could Buy Some Ph Down Or Use Bottled Water. 15% Pelite Should Be Fine M8.

Axel Man
07-12-09, 03:54 PM
I have read in biobizz that all-mix has 30% perlite. So if I repot in all-mix instead of light-mix I think I dont have to use the extra 15% perlite?Or should I less like 5%?On the other hand should I stick to light mix for now because the plant is still young?

I m on the manure but I dont know how much to add in the mix.A 10% would be OK?Better than that if I find ph down I will prefer it.

Also about the all-mix it says that its good to water it and wait for 2days so as to be "activated" and then pot the plant. I will get some wattered today so as to be ready in that time.

Thanks for the info and the help guys!!!:leaf:

Axel Man
08-12-09, 06:55 AM
Some pictures from yestrday (7/12/09)

The taller one looks like it wont make it after all.But I m not willing giving up on it yet....

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The other ones show to be on the way of recovery. I new set of leaves has started to emerge and I hope to be healthy and not deformed.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1243/medium/z1.JPGhttps://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1243/medium/z2.JPG

Also after thinking about the soil I deside to use light-mix for repoting in 6inch pots.I guess its not as strong as all-mix so i think they will like it better for now.I will use all-mix in the next final repoting.

jhon konners
08-12-09, 09:45 AM
yer m8 i would have gone for the light mix hope your plants servive this m8. gud luck

Axel Man
13-12-09, 12:07 PM
Hi m8's!!

First of all I would like to ask from the site moderators to move this thread to "GROW DIARIEs"!

OK!I have re-poted at 7/12 in 9inces pots and gave them 250ml tap water. Today I gave them again tap water warm (21Celcious) 1L each.And I put the light at 24/24 because the temps were low the last days and they produce enough heat to get to 24-26 with outside of 16.



The leaves are very culry down like claws the big ones.Now after 6 hours since watering the pics...how does it look guys???????Opinions??

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I know how it looks the other one...that is the once to be "the tall"!!I know its a mess..........:mad:

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Axel Man
18-12-09, 10:57 PM
Hey everybody!

Well I have some new pics. I still cant get w.t.F. I am doing wrong!!!I dont overwater them for sure!Tommorow I ll give 1/2lt rain water with regulated PH 6.5.
The temps are 25-30 lights 24/7 and a fan blowing half an hour every hour.Today I put the lights to 16/24.Humidity 50-75% with an average of 60-65%.
The only thing I can think is fresh air but the space is large for the size of the plants and I leave the door open many hours a day.
The last days also you can sense a very descrite odour from the plants!I guess that's something at least!!:leaf:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1275/medium/DSC005681.JPG

With the pics. The once used to be "tall" is obviously stuned cause of the overfeed at the start but I think has passed the grave danger.His leaves are a bit droppy now but as I said I havent watered them yet.
The strange thing about it is that the main veins of the 3 big new leaves up to the half are red!Really red. I think you can see it in the photo.
Yet they aint wrapped a bit like the other...!(?????)
***Note that the bootom leafs are already nute burned.

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Here you can see the red veins.I dont feed it blood I swear!!!LOL!
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The other one has other problems. All the leaves are very twisted,like it has been in Chernobil!And most of them are curled upwards and some are like a paper that is slighly wrapped. I m doing by best to describe it.

What can cause these things??PLEAsE HELP PEOPLE!!
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Even baby leafs at the internodes are twisted and folded upwards.
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Thatnk you in advance people!!!!
Peace and LOVE!

afriendinneed
19-12-09, 02:02 AM
That looks like bad genetics to me mate .. it doesn't know whether its name is Arthur or Martha ..

dj #
19-12-09, 02:12 AM
its serious pH problems as i said previously, and possibly poor gene's as afriendinneed says too,
you cant rely on that probe type meter mate as its not accurate
if its telling you one reading and your adjusting the pH to another reading when in reality its not reading the proper pH value in the first place then you really have no idea what your pH actually is

here's one way to check if those meters work ok
take your meter and test the soil in the pot by sticking the probe approx 1-2 inches below ther soil surface, take a reading
now push the probe all the way to the bottom of the pot...doea it still say the same pH? if it changes then its a sure fire sign the meter doesnt work

get a little soil test kit they only cost a couple of quid/bucks, that will give you at least a proper idea of the soil's pH level

Snake
19-12-09, 03:58 AM
You've got to change something mate

cus what you're doing is not getting the result. I'd pop some more seeds and get a new bag of compost - something that says John Innes on the bag. If it goes tits-up again then blame the seeds and get clicking in the thct shop.

Mr_Bimble
19-12-09, 01:05 PM
Bin em and start again - get some small peat pots and fill with seedling compost (with JI #1) good quality stuff should have the PH details on the facts panel. wet the compost and sow seed - keep warm and you should be away...

No feed at all, until a few weeks after final repot & if you can use rain-water at room temp use that.

If when they grow they still look like weeds rather than weed your seeds are fucked - buy some fresh ones.

Axel Man
19-12-09, 03:09 PM
Well thank you guys taking a look at my matter.Most of these things are on my mind!!

I cant agree more with dj!DJ I took the GHE PH test kit.My PH water is between 7.5 and 8.I would say 7.8 by the colour scale.Bought just before open the forum and they are already wattered with regulated PH of 6.5 so PH is fixed. I would also do the test you say and actually I wanted to check the regulated watter with the meter but I forgot...stoned!!:weed: LOL!But next time I ll remember it!!so if the meter says the correct then may PH was very bad all the way from the start!!!

If it is not reliable then there is the possibility of bad genes as you all say!!!But on the other hand the seeds are of sensi seeds. I give 120 euros plus postal and I got bad genes......I really going to get very pissed off!!!:kill::kill::kill: :thcleaf:

so what is better that to check also this out!!This time with light mix and no nutritients but rainwater PH'd at 6.5 and with the ventilation soon to be intalled for even better climate (rich fresh air!!).I wiil immediatellly put 2 more seed to begin germinate.....!!!

Cheers mates!!!!Thanks again!!!!:barmy::guitar:

Axel Man
19-12-09, 03:45 PM
from ideas to pics....the seeds on the left are the nothern light sensi seeds.On the right from stuff I have bought to smoke. The sensi seeds are almost half in size!!!?And more that that I have even bigger seeds than those kept from the past!Could that be a sign of bad seeds????

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Axel Man
19-12-09, 03:57 PM
And I forgot to say about the new soil.I said light-mix but I will add 30% perlite and I will search a good compost to add at about 20%.
What do you think?Does the percentages sound OK?

dj #
19-12-09, 03:59 PM
no its not, different varieties do produce different sized seeds
as long as the seeds arent a light green/brown colour and look completely intact they should be ok


And I forgot to say about the new soil.I said light-mix but I will add 30% perlite and I will search a good compost to add at about 20%.
What do you think?Does the percentages sound OK?its called light mix for two reasons,
1. it has a 'light' blend of added nutrients
2. its a light and open type growing medium in its make up and consistency
this makes it and ideal "starter" soil for seedlings and young plants

dont use so much Perlite in the light mix, check its ingredients first,
im sure it has some added already, so it doesnt really need any more

Axel Man
19-12-09, 04:12 PM
no its not, different varieties do produce different sized seeds
as long as the seeds arent a light green/brown colour and look completely intact they should be ok

its called light mix for two reasons,
1. it has a 'light' blend of added nutrients
2. its a light and open type growing medium in its make up and consistency
this makes it and ideal "starter" soil for seedlings and young plants

dont use so much Perlite in the light mix, check its ingredients first,
im sure it has some added already, so it doesnt really need any more


Well Dj the colour is very dark brown.That is good!Right?The light colours (faded) means problems.Right?

I have search for light mix ingedients percentag composition but I cant find it. On the bag it says only that's good for seeds and mention that it contains perlite. And that has ph 6.2 to 6.5

Light-Mix is an ideal potting soil for organic gardeners who want to have control over the growing process through the application of liquid fertilizers. Slightly fertilized it ensures a fast development of roots and vigorous new growth.

It has already been more than 18 years since the launch of light mix as an ideal potting soil for organic gardeners who want to have control over the growing process through the application of liquid fertilizers.

Slightly fertilized it ensures a fast development of roots and vigorous new growth. The soil is composed to optimize drainage throughout the medium, which is essential for usage with automatic watering systems.

dj #
20-12-09, 09:17 AM
Well Dj the colour is very dark brown.That is good!Right? The light colours (faded) means problems.Right?yes mate thats a pretty good rule of thumb for seeds, darker coloured seeds will generally be more viable for germinating than very light coloured seeds (in general) :)

Axel Man
23-12-09, 07:09 AM
Hey all ppl!!

Last night I plant the 2 new seeds. So growning attempt #2 is well on the way.

The other plants as Mr Bimble said still look like weeds rather than weed.In general the leafs have still the same problems. Folded up,twisted and feel crispy-dry at touching. Yet I cant bin em. Its my first growing and I believe even though its a mess I can still learn usefull things for the future from it.

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Last night I also noticed a small spot-discolouration in two leafs.

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In this leaf apart from spot-discorouration there is a burn. A leaf from above had sticked in that exact spot where the burn like "scar" is and when I seperated them the scar was revieled along with the spot discolouration.

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This set of 3 leaves are on the other plant and they are the only ones that feel like healthy leafs at touching. Soft and not folded in any way.Maybe cause they are too young.

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Dj I checked the other meter in comparison with the GHE Ph Kit. The reading was wrong!Stupid thing!!!Anyway, I also ckecked the run off water after wattering with Ph 6.5 and it was also 6.5. That is a way to check on soil ph,right?

Glasgrow30
23-12-09, 08:23 AM
Well I've just recently started growing too. Got myself NFT kit but not yet set it up, just started to grow bio with a few seeds i had sitting around for experience.

Had some similar problems as yourself but they not look too bad now. Had problems with what looked like heat stress but that was impossible seen as i was starting to veg with 30W cfl bulb. So was advised it may be a ph problem. Or a nute problem.

I was advised to test water as it ran through the soil (have a ph test kit that you add a few drops, shake then check colour for ph level). Came out with ph level as 6.5 so that wasn't the problem. Spoke to a grow shop in town and they advised two other things may be wrong. 1 - temp is too low, 2 - over fed them. I used canna hydro nutes which if using for soil need to be done at only 1/4 strength otherwise it be too strong so this is the problem of overfeeding them. The problem with temp was that the pots were on concrete floor (live in multi-storey building which are built from concrete) so this was causing problems with growth and also the air temp around the plants was barely above 18C-19C. Rectified the temp problem by raising plants on some polystyrene and by putting in a heater but now dont need a heater as installed my 400W HPS bulb! Wow! So much more light and temp now up to 26C-28C. I train a small 7" desk fan oscillating round the plants to move air and to strenghten up stems.

I'll add pics at a later date to see what you guys think.

dj #
23-12-09, 07:11 PM
Dj I checked the other meter in comparison with the GHE Ph Kit. The reading was wrong!Stupid thing!!!Anyway, I also ckecked the run off water after wattering with Ph 6.5 and it was also 6.5. That is a way to check on soil ph,right?
looks like its narrowing down then to poor plant genetics im afraid, you can get very mutated plants sometimes because of poor genetics

Axel Man
26-12-09, 08:15 PM
Update time mates!!

The plants up to now....time to give them names to know which one is which.

A1 I think Stretched a bit cauSe I put it a bit away from the lamp when I placed the seedlings

A1
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A2
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It is suprising how much alike they are with the others in this age. I remember the embrionic leafs where just like that in A1 ad A2.
They are now 5 days in cups.

B1
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B2 last time two days before that I saw it had two little spots of discouloration.Very very small but they frightened me. Today look like the plant healed them and they look like old scars. I guess nothing to worry.(?) The pic is a little blury but I think is vissible.
B2
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Well Dj today that I saw the plant I think that NEW GROWTH (eventhough is little) shoots helthier leaves than the older.The only RUsTY LEAF there is on A1 I think is one of the oldest, so I guess because of the unregulated ph (wattering with 7,5 to 8) shows the most damage. The ph sOIL reading of 6.5 was directly after wattering with 6.5.
so I thought the ph is more suspicient for their condition. Well the ultimate measurment of comparison are still the seedlings...will see!!!:leaf:


NEW GROWTH
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RUSTY LEAF
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Axel Man
31-12-09, 08:14 PM
First of all Happy New Year Everybody!!!

Quick update but no pics...

A1 and A2 have a lot new growth but with healthy leafs. They are not creespy anymore and they look very nice!But they are still too small. But at least I have my very first fan leaves!

B1 and B2 are shooting their second pairs of leafs besides the embrionics.
There are some suspicion of deforations on their leafs but very minors ones. In the next post I ll have pics so we can talk after the pics.

Axel Man
02-01-10, 06:27 PM
Pictures update...

I have taken no pictures from the plant A1. New growth is fine on it and its the same as in plant A2. I have taken pics from A2 because it was easier to show the difference BEFORE ph regulated 7.5 o 8)and AFTER ph regulated(6 to 6.5).

As you can see from the GENERAL PIC A2 has 3 main stems. The two side branches have grown most after the ph was regulated. The MIDLE ONE was the first stem of the plant.
GENERAL PICTURE


MIDDLE sTEM
These leaves are the only ones on it. And they are in very bad shape and creaspy in touch.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1302/medium/A2_MIDDLE.JPG

sIDE sTEM TOP
Here the leafs look just gr8!!!I have my first healthy fan leafs at last!!!!:weed:
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AND THE OTHER sTEM
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I want to start picking my first cuttings for clones for experiment from plant A1. I m planning it to start in a week or so. I ll need help on picking the right cuttings. Maybe only one just to experiment...


Now the seedlings. They both need a repote. I ll do it in the next couple days. I aint got pots. In comparison with the older plants I dont like the growth here...The leaves dont look healthy!Damn it!!They are not speaded and lively green as the NEW leafs on the older plants.

Here is B1 for start. The first leafs are very twisted!!
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And B2.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1302/medium/B2_sIDE.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1302/medium/B2_GENERAL.JPG

dj #
02-01-10, 06:37 PM
how often are you watering them mate?

Axel Man
02-01-10, 06:47 PM
Hey dj!My savior!:D

The big ones every 3-4 days 1.5 litter water only.That is left in a tank to evaporate the calcium for two days. I regulate the ph to 6.5

The seedlings were put on pot on the 19th. since then I wattered them 50ml each at 22-23-26-30 and today.


Last post missing photo...
A2 GENERAL PICTURE
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1302/medium/A2_GENERAL.JPG

Axel Man
02-01-10, 09:02 PM
The 1.5lt are on both plants. Which means 750ml each.The 50ml on little ones is on each.

Axel Man
04-01-10, 04:43 PM
Hello ppl!!

I repote the seedlings today in 6inches pots.I didnt water them.I dont know but I dont like their looks. Because of the dropy leafs they have both of them and B1 has two leafs twisted. I have to say I never spray water on the leafs.If I do would that be good for them???

B1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/B1_sIDE1.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/B1_TOP.JPG


BELOW ARE PICs OF B2
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/B2_TOP.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/B2_sIDEB.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/B2_sIDEA.JPG


NOW THE OTHER PLANTs
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/A1_AND_A2.JPG

I think they show singhs of dropiness too??

A2 UPPER PART HEALTHY BUT DROPY
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/A2_UP.JPG


A1 PICs. (LOOK sAME As A2??)
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/A1_sIDE.JPG

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/A1_TOP.JPG




HERE ARE ALL THE PLANTs IN THEIR PLACE
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1309/medium/LIGHT_DITANCE.JPG

dj #
04-01-10, 04:49 PM
you must always water when you repot, the roots need moisture

have you allowed the soil to dry enough before you water each time?
is the soil still damp at the surface when you've been watering?

that biggest plant needs repotting already

Axel Man
04-01-10, 05:13 PM
you must always water when you repot, the roots need moisture

have you allowed the soil to dry enough before you water each time?
is the soil still damp at the surface when you've been watering?

that biggest plant needs repotting already

OK then dj I ll watter the right now.I believe 400ml for would be nice.

Yes I let it dry. I watch for little gaps between soil and pot which means soil shrink cause of lack of watter. I also check not only thesurface but i dig with my finger at least two inces almost.

About the big ones my plans are to take the cuttings see if is a she and pot them after.I want to keep one or two maximum for mothers.On the other hand that would take time. If I take the clones this weekend then I ll need one week veg and at least two more to show sex.
The next and final pots (boxes actually) are 42cmX30cm and 24cm high. Two of them can fit in the mother box thats why I wanna keep only two.

Maybe if they are females I'll put into flower only one of them (A1 OR A2) as they look OK for starting the scrog.
And meanwhile I grow the seedlings for future mothers until the other finish flowering.
How this sounds???

Axel Man
07-01-10, 04:22 PM
PicS updateS!!!
Well the differnce in growth of the new SeedlingS and the old iS already obviouS I think. Only one leaf in each one haS a minor fold up but in general they are going very well I think!!:D

Firt B1.It iS the one with the twiSted leaf.That leafS now are under the new oneS and you cant See it in the picS.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1318/medium/B1_B.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1318/medium/B1_A.JPG

B2 picS.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1318/medium/B2_B.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1318/medium/B2_A.JPG


Today I added in the water for the old oneS 0,5ml of biogrow-biohevean and topmax. That waS in 1.5literS of water.I think they are in a Stage that they muSt want the nuteS.

kushman
12-01-10, 02:09 AM
becarefulll with cheap ph testers. the pricy ones are the good ones. sunlight inc

Eddie1z
12-01-10, 03:11 AM
Did you say you have added topmax to a plant in veg???

yoko2009
12-01-10, 04:21 AM
becarefulll with cheap ph testers. the pricy ones are the good ones. sunlight inc

If you want a good quality ph kit there is an aquatic liquid one that is very accurate from a company called tetra, costs about £5-£7 and you get 50 tests, just put a bit of soil in jar with waster and add drops, colour chart very easy to read off, but be sure you but the freshwater version as the ph range is 5 to 9, the marine versions range starts from 7 upwards.

Axelman, are you leaving your water to stand for at least 24 hours from tap before using it? if not make sure you do and be careful with rain water if you live in a heavily populated area mate, the amount of pollution it falls through can make it suprisingly toxic. iv tested rain water and the ph has been as low as 5 in my smoggy shitty city

Axel Man
15-01-10, 08:46 PM
If you want a good quality ph kit there is an aquatic liquid one that is very accurate from a company called tetra, costs about £5-£7 and you get 50 tests, just put a bit of soil in jar with waster and add drops, colour chart very easy to read off, but be sure you but the freshwater version as the ph range is 5 to 9, the marine versions range starts from 7 upwards.

Axelman, are you leaving your water to stand for at least 24 hours from tap before using it? if not make sure you do and be careful with rain water if you live in a heavily populated area mate, the amount of pollution it falls through can make it suprisingly toxic. iv tested rain water and the ph has been as low as 5 in my smoggy shitty city




becarefulll with cheap ph testers. the pricy ones are the good ones. sunlight inc


I have taken a kit of General Hydroponics that is also with drops. The man at the store told me its very accurate. I also thought that many use it. I mean I ve heard it in here in several threads.

Yoko yes I leave it more than that. I have a tank with 7liters of water. It s like a box 45x30x20 cm without a lead. I use almost 3 liters per watering and when done add more water for next time. I have used only twice rain water and it was not acidic. Not so smoggy here I guess. But I always measure the ph at every watering.


Did you say you have added topmax to a plant in veg???

Eddie!!!!!My friend!!!What can I say.....I m still toooooooooooo f@@@ing newbie!!!!:D

Very good remark thanks mate!


I will take some pics later but I dont know if I ll have the time to make the post...!

Axel Man
15-01-10, 09:11 PM
I dont have the time to make a pics update but i can say that the seedlings are thriving!!! :party:

Their leafs are enormous comparing to the old ones. And they are only 4 inches!!I m so glad!!
Tommorow I m gonna definately get some pics posted!!!:D

Thanks again all you guys for helping me!!!!

Axel Man
17-01-10, 01:36 PM
Hey ppl!I had guests yesterday and I couldnt take the pics I wanted to show you.
Oh!I have FIMed them 5 days ago. The new growth is very small and I couldnt take clear pics. I hope next time to get some so as to get some opinions if I did it right.
OK the pics...

B1 Pics
I noticed today a very little leaf curling.Not on all leafs but it worried me. Can I blame the temp? It has cold the last days and my meters show temps between 19 to 21 celcious. Last time I wattered each with 0,5liters and diluted in it 0,25ml of Bio-Grow. Am I playing with fire again??Too early to feed them even that little quantity?? Could be because of that the leaf curling? Ofcourse always PH is adjusted around 6 at every wattering!!
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1358/medium/B1B.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1358/medium/B1A.JPG


B2.
I think it is doing very well. Nice colour and big spready leafs. I just can stop looking at it!!!:D
How does it look to you ppl?
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1358/medium/B2B.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1358/medium/B2A.JPG


The older ones have no major growth so I didnt shoot em. Next time I must take a soil PH reading to make sure its OK.
Any comments for the seedlings mates??

Eddie1z
17-01-10, 03:52 PM
Leaf tips usually curl like that when the nutrient e.c/cf is a little strong for the plant, though may not be strong enough to burn. They also look slightly overwatered, let the medium dry out a bit and just lay off the nutes & water less. What size/L are those pots? They only look about 3litres, i only give my hand fed plants approx 500ml every 4-5 days and theyr in 6.5litre pots.

Axel Man
17-01-10, 06:27 PM
Eddie yes. The pots are about 3lt. I dont water if the medium is moisty. I check it with my finger. Right now I m giving them too about 0,5lt each every 4-5 days. Today that I watered I gave them less. I watered slowly and when I saw water run off the bottom I stopped. They took around 400ml each.

Axel Man
21-01-10, 04:49 PM
I am really starting to get disappointed. What the hell am I doing wrong??The pics are from yesterday. Today I havent been home yet.

B1.
Last watering was 5 days ago. So I doubt it is overwatered. The soil is dry and there is a gap between the pot and the soil at the edges. So I must water them today. As usual I ll give it 0.5lt of water only.

My temps lately are around 18-21 celcious. Damn. I will put the lead of the box in front so as to keep the heat of the fluros. I expect to rise at least 3 degrees.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1369/medium/B1A1.JPG


B2
It also not look good!It really broke my heart compared to last time I saw it that was lovely!!!!:mad:
It is not so bad as the other but I can tell that is starting to do so. His colour was so much more alive last time.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1369/medium/B2A1.JPG



All four plants are in an attic 3x1.5x1 meters. Because of many things I have't install an extractor fan yet. The air is renewed by opening the door of the little attic. The last 1 week the I let the door open for 2 hours max but there were two days that the door stayed open only for 5 minutes.
Can I blame that for their looks. I know that they have been given very low fresh air but I think the sime of the room-attic is big enough compared to the size of the plants.I mean I believe that it has enough space-air for 1+1/2 day.
Am I wrong??Am I mistreating my plants????:(

Beacuse of the low temps I spayed their leafs last two weeks with water and 0.5ml of Alg-a-mic. It said that helps the plants in case of low temps. Right-Wrong??


Now about the fiming...I thing I didnt do it that good either. You can see the new leafs on top that are half because of FIMing when the were very very very young.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1369/medium/FIMTOP1.JPG

I have marked the height of FIM. All above that is new growth.Shouldnt I have two more brances I had done it right?
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1369/medium/FIM2.JPG
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/1369/medium/FIM1.JPG


I m really trying to describe you the best I can the situation of my plants without tiring you ppl. Hope I give you the right info to tell me your opinions.
:help:

Renagade4-20
21-01-10, 05:11 PM
just water em mate,and leave em,dont go in every 2 mins to check,let them have there space lol,the soil should have all the nutes it needs for the first few weeks,when you repot the new soil should have nutes for antoher few weeks,2 weeks or so before nutes i think,and when you do give em a very very small dose just to be safe,and increase as required,so as not the burn em to bits,only my opinion maybe im wrong but from what ive been reading on here that seems like a plan to me

Axel Man
21-01-10, 05:28 PM
Well jordan I sure will today in a couple of hours. I really dont go around them all the time although I would like to. I would say I take one hour and a half caring them every two days.
I believe I do what you say. The only time I gave them nutes was almost two weeks after the repot and it was only 0.25ml in 1 liter of water. Only that!!I trust in the soils nutes. Which is for seedlings and plants at the early stages. (Light-Mix)

Renagade4-20
21-01-10, 06:01 PM
ah,thats not too much nutes i dont think,maybe there is something with genetics then.like the other guy said.im new to growing also but have been reading for the past week about 10hours a day to learn lol,got three little ones on now,my first 4 seeds died as i fucked about to much,the 3 i have now,i had actually lost in my house plant soil,spied them yesterday when i went to water my house plant and seen three little bud babbies what a surprise that was,didnt germ them or anything lol,cant find my cam to get pics up tho.got a question for ya,why does one of my plants have a red steam?do you know?there bubblegum bag seed but supposedly 99% fem as it was a hermie fem that pollinated a 100% female,is this true about them being fem do you know?.good luck mate,will be watching this closely...OH AND I ALMOST FORGOT...get yeast,sugar and some luke warm water,mix all three, 1 tbl spoon of yeast,.25kg of sugar and 1.5lt of water,leave in with the plants in an open container,the yeast eats the sugar and makes alcohol and in turn realeses copious amounts of co2 into the air,this might help/

Axel Man
21-01-10, 06:23 PM
well mate are you a chemist?LOL. I ll try it. What yeast I use? Made of flavor and water dont you mean??

If it does what you say I would certainly do!! Thanks for the tip mate. And cheap.I like it yea.

I have the experience of seening 7 seedlings grow. Too little experience mate. But if you asked me the colour of the stem on these 7 I would say red-brown. 4 of them the Nlights and the other 3 unknown strain.

Renagade4-20
21-01-10, 06:42 PM
lol no mate,i used to work in saudi arabia which is a dry country so i combated that effect by making my own cider =), french bakers yeast-red white and blue tin,or anything that says bakers yeast. as it doesnt die until a high percentage of alcohol is made which means more and more co2, 1 table spoon yeast,.25 kg of sugar,1-1.5 lt of water, 2lt coke bottle with the top cut of,make sure there is about 3 inches plastic above the water as it bubbles when its making co2.and every 5 days throw half out and add another 3/4 tabl spoon and .25kg sugar,very cheap alternitive and a good method as it will produce co2 for upto 5 weeks without changing but is always better to have a fresh batch every 5 days or so.**remeber luke warm or a little above it but NOT HOT OR COLD** ;)

Axel Man
25-01-10, 06:58 AM
Due to some problems the plants were watered yesterday. They had been veeeeery dropy but just as soon I watered them they stick up high!! Amazing plant canabis!

Jordan I haven't used your recipe yet because I haven't get the yeast. I thought I had some home but I was wrong. Today or at worst tommorow I'll try it.

Had a soil ph reading from the run off water and it was around 6,4. Thats good I guess. Still not the optimum as I want it around 6.2.

Has anybody done scrog with Northern Lights? The seedlings are now almost a month old and they are 20cm high (almost 8 inches). My space hight is 33inces. The distance from the light (150w hps) should be around 12inces as I have read. The pot will be another 8 inches and 8 inches from soil to the net. That means my plants have the hight up to the net. I was thinking starting one of them on 12/12 or is it too early? Should I install the net and veg em a bit more (and train them at the same time ofcourse)? My net surface will be around 20x20 inches. How much of the net should be filled to start flowering with Northern LIghts????

Too many questions!LOL

Axel Man
25-01-10, 08:04 PM
lol no mate,i used to work in saudi arabia which is a dry country so i combated that effect by making my own cider =), french bakers yeast-red white and blue tin,or anything that says bakers yeast. as it doesnt die until a high percentage of alcohol is made which means more and more co2, 1 table spoon yeast,.25 kg of sugar,1-1.5 lt of water, 2lt coke bottle with the top cut of,make sure there is about 3 inches plastic above the water as it bubbles when its making co2.and every 5 days throw half out and add another 3/4 tabl spoon and .25kg sugar,very cheap alternitive and a good method as it will produce co2 for upto 5 weeks without changing but is always better to have a fresh batch every 5 days or so.**remeber luke warm or a little above it but NOT HOT OR COLD** ;)


man does this reaction happens immediately? and does it want warm water? i did it now in cold tap water and nothing happens. i ve done it in a small glass just to try

Axel Man
01-02-10, 10:30 PM
Hey ppl!!Too many things I have to do lately and I m building the flower room next to grow room. Dont have much time to make frequent photo posts.

I ve installed a 150w hps Philips Master Son-t pia plus.The temps have risen from 19-20 light on to 25-27 celcious. Very good that.

I have installed the co2 jordan a week now. Will see how it will do!

I m planning by the end of this week to transpant to grow room one of the elders. I understand from what I have read about SCRoG that many internodes under the net its good. They have many. The seedlings are short with few little interodes but bushy. I guess that is because of FIMing. Which is a part that I dont know if I made it right. Guess a few pics next will help you ppl tell me.

That's what I can remember right now.
Goodnight m8's!!!!!

Renagade4-20
02-02-10, 04:06 PM
good you have got the co2 in there,hope it sorts it out.they looking any better mate?