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CityDweller
25-03-19, 09:01 PM
Hi Talkers!

Looking forward to this one. Going to try to fill my 2 ft x 4 ft tent with one plant under a single 315 CMD.

I have about 8 weeks of veg time before the tent is available.

Going to start with 38 liters organic living super soil and see how it goes. If she starts yellowing I will either switch to root feeding or pot up to 76 liters.

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Easy-T
25-03-19, 09:06 PM
Good luck City, some size pot 76 lts that's a tree [emoji23], tag along

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CityDweller
25-03-19, 09:18 PM
76 liters only if the 38 starts to yellow. I have finished to harvest twice now water only in 38. Once I needed to pot up mid flower to 76 to finish properly. Don't have enough space for a real tree. We shall see.

I think this is everything I am mixing into the soil. The natures living soil is pre cooked so the additives will have time to cook before they are needed. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/0a58e053036c60e4ad0d3c86344c80bc.jpg

CityDweller
25-03-19, 09:51 PM
Left a little space to make the transplant easier. Have enough potting soil to fill it up once I plant. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190325/f3566ba11ec1b9285e98a6f26dff6ea5.jpg

Macky
25-03-19, 10:05 PM
Lovely mate, good luck man

CityDweller
25-03-19, 10:06 PM
Lovely mate, good luck manWas just about to PM you lol. Can you please correct the title. Mokum's..... I forgot the apostrophe. Thanks mate!

Macky
25-03-19, 10:47 PM
There you got mate, ;)

pablo69
25-03-19, 11:33 PM
Good luck bud going to be good to compair our grows as we are both in soil i also have my own igredent looking faward to this allredy.

CityDweller
25-03-19, 11:43 PM
Good luck bud going to be good to compair our grows as we are both in soil i also have my own igredent looking faward to this allredy.Cheers mate. You love to torture us. You sure you don't want to share the secret?

C-Rex
26-03-19, 03:10 AM
You gonna scrog her?

Looking forward to watching!

CityDweller
26-03-19, 10:33 AM
You gonna scrog her?

Looking forward to watching!Not exactly a scrog. Going to top her and then grow two horizontal across the 4 feet. Then just let her grow upwards a bit and flip. I am hoping that the branches will not need support since the training usually makes them strong.

Macky
26-03-19, 10:35 AM
Not exactly a scrog. Going to top her and then grow two horizontal across the 4 feet. Then just let her grow upwards a bit and flip. I am hoping that the branches will not need support since the training usually makes them strong.

Always good to use supports as the flowers get heavy mate. Then the plant uses more energy to build flowers, than building strong stems. If they start looking dense, get some canes or yo yos, but we are a long way away from that yet lol

SlimCT
26-03-19, 10:55 AM
Subbed! :)


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CityDweller
26-03-19, 11:23 AM
Always good to use supports as the flowers get heavy mate. Then the plant uses more energy to build flowers, than building strong stems. If they start looking dense, get some canes or yo yos, but we are a long way away from that yet lolIt's an 8 week heavy training slow veg. If after that they need support I definitely tie them up. I am just hoping that each cola will be supported by a tree trunk lol.

Macky
26-03-19, 01:32 PM
Monster after 8 weeks mate, elephant trunks man

C-Rex
26-03-19, 02:42 PM
It's an 8 week heavy training slow veg. If after that they need support I definitely tie them up. I am just hoping that each cola will be supported by a tree trunk lol.Man youre playing my jam! 2 month veg in 2 grooms is where I wanna be.

CityDweller
26-03-19, 02:46 PM
My last few grows vegged real slow. If this takes of flying I have a problem. Going to blast her with light to veg her strong and slow. Hopefully it works.

CityDweller
26-03-19, 10:58 PM
Well this is different... at least for me.

Seed is fully cracked with hardly any tap.

I potted into prewarmed container with just a dusting of fresh soil on top.

I really hope I do not have to start over. I do not like failing and do not like to loose time. I am fairly consistent with 1 seed per grow. Let's not fail now.

Cheers
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Macky
26-03-19, 11:29 PM
Well this is different... at least for me.

Seed is fully cracked with hardly any tap.

I potted into prewarmed container with just a dusting of fresh soil on top.

I really hope I do not have to start over. I do not like failing and do not like to loose time. I am fairly consistent with 1 seed per grow. Let's not fail now.

Cheers
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She was a little different for me in the start. She's a strange one. She is flying now. But strange germ and earl veg compared to usual strains i Grow

CityDweller
28-03-19, 10:08 AM
Slowly showing her head. I think she may come out without help. That is a welcomed change for me. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/cf25d03c168f776b7d06456cd508f9d1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/cdc0c87b2ff19ef282b3bfdfe4e3e4f8.jpg

CityDweller
28-03-19, 07:35 PM
It's a girl! (We hope)

After Macky's post today showing balls I may want to rethink the long veg and go a bit smaller and faster in case she is a he.

To be determined.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/583b5b182cb74bf7843dfecd8dbe70ba.jpg

CityDweller
28-03-19, 09:17 PM
New plan. As soon as I get off my ass and harvest the mug I will pop another Mokum's Tulip. The first Tulip will go into 3.8 liters straight to 12/12 while I slowly veg out the 2nd one.

The straight to 12/12 is going to be untrained.

Cheers talkers.

CityDweller
28-03-19, 10:03 PM
Mokum's Tulip #2 taking a dunk. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190328/f0a96a15fe6ebc59cae7fe4f26baf7b6.jpg

Cleargreen
28-03-19, 10:40 PM
Mon the 12/12!

Macky
28-03-19, 11:56 PM
good luck mate! hope you dont have the same problem i did.

CityDweller
30-03-19, 12:11 AM
Beautiful tap on #2. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/789b9cc07b89c7a8af4194c16f9d44cc.jpg

CityDweller
30-03-19, 12:28 AM
Tomorrow I will chop a plant and drop the last mokum. I figure that Dutch Passion's generosity deserves it. After Macky's painful surprise we might as well try all 3. 2 will be fast flower and 1 will be long veg as long as I don't get hermies. If I see hermies I flip the switch on the 3rd.

gardro
30-03-19, 01:36 AM
Good luck City, these would have been mine choice too, heard these are very special smoke indeed

CityDweller
30-03-19, 11:47 AM
Thanks Gardro. Hopefully all 3 give me a bounty of flowers.

My new method for keeping domes humid for starter pots. No more spraying the domes. Small saucer inside a larger saucer. Large saucer filled with water. Dome inside larger saucer. Working perfectly. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190330/faf4b5d763981461d361adc38654df16.jpg

hotshot
31-03-19, 03:36 PM
Good luck Dude, I'm Scrub.

CityDweller
01-04-19, 09:39 AM
2 baby Mokum's doing well. The 3rd bean is not cracking. I will give her one more day and then scrape a bit. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190401/ed9b36e49f13ea91b53c314d532bbf11.jpg

SlimCT
01-04-19, 12:02 PM
2 baby Mokum's doing well. The 3rd bean is not cracking. I will give her one more day and then scrape a bit. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190401/ed9b36e49f13ea91b53c314d532bbf11.jpg

The one on the left is cruising ahead [emoji23] looking good though mate. Shame about the third seed though, hope is cracks! Fingers crossed


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CityDweller
01-04-19, 12:16 PM
The one on the left is cruising ahead [emoji23] looking good though mate. Shame about the third seed though, hope is cracks! Fingers crossed


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CityDweller
02-04-19, 10:30 AM
Looks like I killed the 3rd seed. I tried to give her a gentle scrape and the shell flapped open exposing the white and green embryo. I quickly closed it gently and put it back in the bag just in case by some miracle I happen to get a tap. Cheers.

IceCalibur
02-04-19, 03:16 PM
They can be surprisingly resilient, I hope it pulls through for you mate :)

CityDweller
04-04-19, 09:49 AM
3rd seed still not budging. I am very tempted to ditch it and start something else. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190404/1667b3bfbf49ad4356c9f27be53d5cbc.jpg

hotshot
04-04-19, 10:18 AM
3rd seed still not budging. I am very tempted to ditch it and start something else. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190404/1667b3bfbf49ad4356c9f27be53d5cbc.jpg

I'm having trouble with my first seed also CD, I was trying to get the seed off the top of the plant, and pull it up. I replanted and well see if it will take. I might have to start seed no two if not. I think that was more my fault then the seed.:banghead:

CityDweller
04-04-19, 10:22 AM
I'm having trouble with my first seed also CD, I was trying to get the seed off the top of the plant, and pull it up. I replanted and well see if it will take. I might have to start seed no two if not. I think that was more my fault then the seed.:banghead:I hate loosing seeds. Feels like a failure on my part. I hope yours takes!

CityDweller
05-04-19, 11:10 AM
Both my Mokum's are moving very slow. The older one is yellowing a bit but the soil is hot so it should not need food. I have moved them further away from the light and put them back on the heat mat with soil probe. Hopefully it's a cold soil issue.

3rd seed is not showing any signs of life.

Cheers.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190405/80387cd683b967e71e52e70d71d4bc16.jpg

CityDweller
06-04-19, 12:00 PM
Something is clearly wrong with the soil. RO water comes out looking like rust and has a PH of 8. Been flushing for 30 minutes with PH 5.6 water and my runoff is now slightly yellow and has a PH of 7.5
I have no idea what went wrong. This has never happened to me before.

I might have completely fucked these plants.

I ran RO thru the same soil mix 20 liters i have cooking for another plant. PH is 7.0.

I am tempted to go pickup some seedling soil mix and try to root wash and transplant. At this point they are fully stunted so I can't make them much worse.

Sorry Macky and Dutch Passion. I really thought I would nail this.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190406/de22dc04f9ccf68e718766d0da99a04e.jpg

CityDweller
06-04-19, 04:57 PM
I picked up some seedling soil. Just cannot decide if I should let fully dry and flush again or try a transplant that might kill them.

Cleargreen
06-04-19, 05:24 PM
I picked up some seedling soil. Just cannot decide if I should let fully dry and flush again or try a transplant that might kill them.

They are photo's right? If so I'd transplant them and give'em the time they need to recover.

Nearly forgot, don't grab them by the stem while doing the transplant, the stem is fragile and it only has one of them, grab them by one of the cotyledons if you need to handle the plant.

CityDweller
06-04-19, 05:28 PM
They are photo's right? If so I'd transplant them and give'em the time they need to recover.

Nearly forgot, don't grab them by the stem while doing the transplant, the stem is fragile and it only has one of them, grab them by one of the cotyledons if you need to handle the plant.Thanks mate. I will start with the one that is yellow and if get it done successfully I will transplant the 2nd as well. Cheers.

CityDweller
07-04-19, 03:13 PM
They are photo's right? If so I'd transplant them and give'em the time they need to recover.

Nearly forgot, don't grab them by the stem while doing the transplant, the stem is fragile and it only has one of them, grab them by one of the cotyledons if you need to handle the plant.Thanks for the push mate. Glad I listened to you. Both have grown since last nights transplant! Cheers.

CityDweller
07-04-19, 10:13 PM
About 24 hours since transplant to peat based seedling mix. Both have doubled in size. When they dry I will feed natural synthetic. Because it is immediate and simple and it is certain to work. Once heathly I will transplant into the hot organic living soil. Cheers
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CityDweller
07-04-19, 11:02 PM
They are photo's right? If so I'd transplant them and give'em the time they need to recover.

Nearly forgot, don't grab them by the stem while doing the transplant, the stem is fragile and it only has one of them, grab them by one of the cotyledons if you need to handle the plant.I was being extra careful since you gave me the warning. Since I wanted to wash them, I held them by the soil and used my hand to support the plant while I washed. No need to grab it at all. Just cradled like a newborn pup.

Just want to thank you again. You saved me hours of overthinking!

Cleargreen
08-04-19, 12:36 PM
Glad I could help mate :)

CityDweller
09-04-19, 09:42 AM
Lovley to wake up to 2 healthy seedlings. Both growing and the yellow one clearly recovering. Each have 1 root poking out. Finally.

Once they are fully established I am going to pot up in stages to keep them strong.

Next will be 1 liter Malibu Compost Biodynamic Potting soil straight from bag. Once we have a nice root ball I will plant in my living soil mix.

Cheers!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190409/ac52fba0a05ada3e532232435ad62d76.jpg

CityDweller
11-04-19, 06:14 PM
Alive and healthy! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/29c0b8cbfdf8965915fb14479fddd1fc.jpg

Herbitual
11-04-19, 06:21 PM
Did you work out what was wrong with the original soil, mate?

Was it old?

CityDweller
11-04-19, 08:20 PM
Did you work out what was wrong with the original soil, mate?

Was it old?I am guessing that I accidentally (stoned) grabbed the fully mixed hot soil and not the unmixed potting soil.

C-Rex
11-04-19, 08:21 PM
Man they sure bounced back in a hurry. Great save!

CityDweller
11-04-19, 08:23 PM
This is the first time I have seen color return to yellowed leaves. I expected new growth to improve and old growth to remain yellow.

CityDweller
11-04-19, 08:24 PM
Man they sure bounced back in a hurry. Great save!Thanks Rex. Would not be without the talk! This place keeps me on my toes and always great advice and support.

CityDweller
11-04-19, 09:04 PM
I was worried that my hot soil mix was no good. Ran RO water through 19 liters hot soil. PH 6.7

I guess soil with this many ingredients goes sour in a tiny plastic container. Thus the 8.0 PH on the seedlings. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190411/77538742ffebcffdcfda5bd7e8fc5215.jpg

Cleargreen
11-04-19, 09:52 PM
I was worried that my hot soil mix was no good. Ran RO water through 19 liters hot soil. PH 6.7

I guess soil with this many ingredients goes sour in a tiny plastic container. Thus the 8.0 PH on the seedlings.

Living soil needs air, I'm surprised it turned alkaline rather than acidic though. Curious to hear what @Redisiel has to say about this.

CityDweller
11-04-19, 10:00 PM
Living soil needs air, I'm surprised it turned alkaline rather than acidic though. Curious to hear what @Redisiel has to say about this.I keep thinking that maybe my mix is too compact. The soil is coco based but it is a real living soil. All the additional amendments make it a bit heavy and thick. This might be the reason for the slow growth. I might need to add some perlite?

C-Rex
11-04-19, 10:02 PM
I tried coco instead of perlite and wasnt happy. No big samples or hard evidence but I wont be using coco for soil grows again.

CityDweller
11-04-19, 10:03 PM
I tried coco instead of perlite and wasnt happy. No big samples or hard evidence but I wont be using coco for soil grows again.I am using Malibu Compost Biodynamic Potting Soil. While it is coco based I do believe it is the best living soil available commercially in my market.

Cleargreen
11-04-19, 10:20 PM
I keep thinking that maybe my mix is too compact. The soil is coco based but it is a real living soil. All the additional amendments make it a bit heavy and thick. This might be the reason for the slow growth. I might need to add some perlite?

Ow you mean a container like that, I thought you meant that it had been sitting in a closed plastic container before you used it.
Personally I'm not a big fan of perlite but let's hear what redz has to say.


I tried coco instead of perlite and wasnt happy. No big samples or hard evidence but I wont be using coco for soil grows again.

I think it was M_C I saw mention today that coco tends to suck up magnesium which could explain the yellowing that CD saw and also partly explains why my previous grow was such a mess with one of the plants because I had made a column of coco in the center of the pots and then a layer of coco on the bottom for extra drainage.

All I can say is that with my current grow I have a mix that is very airy because 3/4's of it is stuff with excellent drainage, (peat, biochar pellets and semi decomposed woody bits) only the vermicompost is muddy stuff.
Using 25% biochar was a huge gamble though and only worked because I soaked it in nutrients sufficiently before using it.

Lava rock is also great in my opinion but I didn't use it because I didn't have any on hand. The big benefit of lava rock over biochar is that it doesn't influence pH of bind up nutrients.

CityDweller
11-04-19, 10:28 PM
Ow you mean a container like that, I thought you meant that it had been sitting in a closed plastic container before you used it.
Personally I'm not a big fan of perlite but let's hear what redz has to say.



I think it was M_C I saw mention today that coco tends to suck up magnesium which could explain the yellowing that CD saw and also partly explains why my previous grow was such a mess with one of the plants because I had made a column of coco in the center of the pots and then a layer of coco on the bottom for extra drainage.

All I can say is that with my current grow I have a mix that is very airy because 3/4's of it is stuff with excellent drainage, (peat, biochar pellets and semi decomposed woody bits) only the vermicompost is muddy stuff.
Using 25% biochar was a huge gamble though and only worked because I soaked it in nutrients sufficiently before using it.

Lava rock is also great in my opinion but I didn't use it because I didn't have any on hand. The big benefit of lava rock over biochar is that it doesn't influence pH of bind up nutrients.

I meant the seedling pot. It was fully wet at the time seed was added. Never dried even slightly. I did not water until I decided to check PH. At that point it had lost a bit of weight but took way too long from past grows.

My mix is the awesome coco soil, natures living soil (used before with success) lava rock dust, gypsum, kelp, crab, clam, neem and a small bit of organic all purpose 4-6-2

Cleargreen
11-04-19, 10:44 PM
I meant the seedling pot. It was fully wet at the time seed was added. Never dried even slightly. I did not water until I decided to check PH. At that point it had lost a bit of weight but took way too long from past grows.

My mix is the awesome coco soil, natures living soil (used before with success) lava rock dust, gypsum, kelp, crab, clam, neem and a small bit of organic all purpose 4-6-2

I have no idea what went wrong then

CityDweller
11-04-19, 10:46 PM
I have no idea what went wrong thenWay too hot for a seedling for sure (assuming I used the mix) why it went alkeline is beyond me.

CityDweller
16-04-19, 01:41 PM
Still a bit slow here. Decided to wait for more roots before transplanting. I will definitely remember to use the GWS this time around. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190416/a646331f6eb756d52dea1044e0e36453.jpg

CityDweller
17-04-19, 10:49 AM
Good morning Talkers. Decided to pot up the larger of the two Mokum's. Not nearly the root ball I was hoping for. Used plain Malibu Compost Potting Soil mixed with a good dusting of great white shark. Bottled water for first feeding. Hopefully things start to pickup from here. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/27cbee28eb4d4d54d342640a19cd7ee7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/e93054903d8a84b1c7106e378ad08cad.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/4aa4a7b41e0cda3fd2dba8aebd2f8f37.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190417/a0d2c736b78317b721ce79c43c206613.jpg

CityDweller
18-04-19, 12:45 PM
2nd Mokum's Tulip showing some leaf spotting. I potted her up into the Malibu compost potting soil and great white shark. Hopefully she is happier here. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190418/b6d06bdb68db9da32a0a0b4c5f0017e5.jpg

Cleargreen
18-04-19, 04:42 PM
Soil looks a bit too wet or is that just me?

CityDweller
18-04-19, 05:51 PM
Soil looks a bit too wet or is that just me?I always drench after transplant and then let dry before next watering. Never had an issue before so hopefully it works out.

CityDweller
22-04-19, 10:21 PM
That's odd. My last post is not here lol. Must have been too far out of it.

Plants looking terrible. I thought maybe caused by the drench. I am used to cloth not plastic.

Transplanted into cloth. Roots looked great. Root growth was fast while plant looked to be dieing.

Transplant did not help. They look terrible and I am not sure what to do.

Definitely going to let them dry before watering again. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190422/3a35500c389c606d4663dff47eca1e1f.jpg

CityDweller
24-04-19, 12:16 AM
I think they are looking significantly worse. I think I have no choice but to take them out. Wash the roots. And replant in fresh soil without the 8 years old GWS.

Possibly hydro for a day or two?

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sourshoes
24-04-19, 12:24 AM
I think they are looking significantly worse. I think I have no choice but to take them out. Wash the roots. And replant in fresh soil without the 8 years old GWS.

Possibly hydro for a day or two?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/91284e042d553988d859c836f1451d8f.jpgHow do you wash roots? Sounds pretty hard on a plant that is alreafy struggling. I'd let it dry out.

Have a microbe product or ability to brew a compost tea?

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CityDweller
24-04-19, 12:52 AM
How do you wash roots? Sounds pretty hard on a plant that is alreafy struggling. I'd let it dry out.

Have a microbe product or ability to brew a compost tea?

Sent from spaceToo late. Will have photos up of process once completed .

CityDweller
24-04-19, 12:58 AM
RO water with silica, calming, karma, grow and rhizo. EC 0.5 PH 6.0

60 watt CFL about 14 inches away.

Cya in the morning. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/6370ef454db4f0a2ff1420fe3dfe1210.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/cb11b11ec2acb38937501c8ca94390ea.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/0bc3da299c4390cd0490d9eaf15b2b95.jpg

CityDweller
24-04-19, 08:48 AM
Good morning Talkers. They look about the same this morning. At least they did not get worse. Light lowered to about 5 inches. Cheers.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/57d103c0d35e9fe05ba67ff0434a2279.jpg

CityDweller
24-04-19, 08:21 PM
My poor Mokum's.

No new growth since the dunk in hydro about 20 hours ago.

I do want to believe they have perked up slightly.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/41b475e52b649075bba402cb70e27fd6.jpg

sourshoes
24-04-19, 08:28 PM
Might be the angle of the pic but they do look like they've perked up.

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gardro
24-04-19, 08:54 PM
Some mad things going on in here City but looks like youve fixed it. Lovely lush new growth

CityDweller
24-04-19, 09:17 PM
Wet paper as cover will not work. Cardboard and tape much better.

Added ties to keep them a bit higher

PH went up to 6.9 in 21 hours? Added some grow and phosphoric acid to lower to PH 5.8. I will need to start checking PH more often.

EC is now 0.8 with the added grow.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/b08a1f93c6bb7e07d2f12f39a464d865.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/c65ccda279f03ec57b23617a44987833.jpg

CityDweller
24-04-19, 09:18 PM
Some mad things going on in here City but looks like youve fixed it. Lovely lush new growthYour eyes are seeing something I am not. But thanks for the support mate. Time to go find another 60 watt CFL.

CityDweller
24-04-19, 09:26 PM
Final shot for the day. They appear to have immediately responded to the fixed PH and increased EC. I am feeling hopefully again. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/c21163589c927045d07f622e8895ce1c.jpg

C-Rex
25-04-19, 02:17 AM
This is freaking insane!

CityDweller
25-04-19, 09:10 AM
Good morning Talkers. This was a pleasant sight to wake up to! Going to take a quick shower them check PH and EC. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190425/c689cf24ac1bfa9585273d56b2576989.jpg

CityDweller
25-04-19, 09:59 AM
EC and PH have held stable. No change.

Cleargreen
25-04-19, 12:08 PM
Great rescue City :)

gardro
25-04-19, 12:13 PM
Your eyes are seeing something I am not. But thanks for the support mate. Time to go find another 60 watt CFL.CFL lol

The new growth shows youve fixed it mate.

CityDweller
25-04-19, 12:26 PM
CFL lol

The new growth shows youve fixed it mate.Yeah. This morning looks perfect. Now I cannot decide if I should put them both back into soil and under the real lights or maybe 1 in soil and 1 in a bucket I have somewhere.

Part of me thinks to just leave them be under the CFL for a few days. Let them be comfortable for a change before I mess with them again.

CityDweller
25-04-19, 12:27 PM
Great rescue City :)Thanks mate! I am proud. Now to get them back in soil and growing. Rice hulls arrived but not the char or perlite. I might as well leave them be until I can setup the soil properly.

gardro
25-04-19, 12:30 PM
Yeah. This morning looks perfect. Now I cannot decide if I should put them both back into soil and under the real lights or maybe 1 in soil and 1 in a bucket I have somewhere.

Part of me thinks to just leave them be under the CFL for a few days. Let them be comfortable for a change before I mess with them again.

Great lesson here for us all. Lights dont necessarily make plants sick but they can indirectly and certainly stop/slow recovery.

1 of each sounds interesting to me

CityDweller
25-04-19, 12:32 PM
Great lesson here for us all. Lights dont necessarily make plants sick but they can indirectly and certainly stop/slow recovery.

1 of each sounds interesting to meIt was not the lights that made them sick. I switched to CFL just for the recovery. Because it is very easy on the plant.

I keep reminding myself how much I hate DWC and how much I love living soil. I think I must go the soil rout.

gardro
25-04-19, 12:33 PM
It was not the lights that made them sick. I switched to CFL just for the recovery. Because it is very easy on the plant.

I keep reminding myself how much I hate DWC and how much I love living soil. I think I must go the soil rout.

That is exactly my point CD friend

CityDweller
25-04-19, 12:45 PM
That is exactly my point CD friendCool. I thought that you thought that I was blaiming the lights for my sick plants lol. Glad we are on the same page.

Cleargreen
25-04-19, 01:57 PM
Thanks mate! I am proud. Now to get them back in soil and growing. Rice hulls arrived but not the char or perlite. I might as well leave them be until I can setup the soil properly.

Don't forget that the char needs soaking in nutrients and biology before being applied to the soil.

CityDweller
25-04-19, 02:30 PM
Don't forget that the char needs soaking in nutrients and biology before being applied to the soil.Thanks mate. Will get a tea brewing.

CityDweller
25-04-19, 11:02 PM
Mokum's are growing but still off in color. I think it was the mix without measure is a bit off balance.

I changed the nute solution flowing botanicare's recipe for week 2.

EC 1.7 PH 5.7

I hope they don't burn. I will be watching closely.

The best thing about RO water is if I choose to thin the solution later the added water does not change the PH.

First photo before 2nd photo after.

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CityDweller
25-04-19, 11:26 PM
Added a 150 watt CFL for 360 total. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190425/122ca35dacb02ef4f90fd58c2ce57e75.jpg

sourshoes
25-04-19, 11:29 PM
Mokum's are growing but still off in color. I think it was the mix without measure is a bit off balance.

I changed the nute solution flowing botanicare's recipe for week 2.

EC 1.7 PH 5.7

I hope they don't burn. I will be watching closely.

The best thing about RO water is if I choose to thin the solution later the added water does not change the PH.

First photo before 2nd photo after.

Cheershttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190425/bd5fd2524334e7ce75ba97c005a198a9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190425/f89d0bc944f05fc68b561624631c6491.jpgWell played they are on the right path.

CD the canna wizard!

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CityDweller
26-04-19, 06:13 PM
They appear to be enjoying the high EC. They look ready to go back in soil. I hope I can keep them healthy.

CityDweller
26-04-19, 06:14 PM
Oops
Forgot the photo
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Tavish
26-04-19, 06:18 PM
Oops
Forgot the photo
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/24550b51b686c36bd8b92962098c97be.jpgGood turn around CD :)

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CityDweller
26-04-19, 06:25 PM
Good turn around CD :)

Sent from my SM-G950F using TapatalkThanks Tavish. Let's hope it holds.

1st Mokum is in plain soil. About 3 liters. Fed plain RO water. I am praying!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/ec1fac09f84dad540cb555fbaf1b4fb8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/f55fcc95241efcb4f1f2e8127d2f2744.jpg

Tavish
26-04-19, 06:28 PM
Thanks Tavish. Let's hope it holds.

1st Mokum is in plain soil. About 3 liters. Fed plain RO water. I am praying!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/ec1fac09f84dad540cb555fbaf1b4fb8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190426/f55fcc95241efcb4f1f2e8127d2f2744.jpgThey look spot on now mate, fingers crossed for yah but am sure you will be fine :)

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CityDweller
26-04-19, 06:33 PM
2nd Mokum into soil.

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C-Rex
28-04-19, 06:07 PM
One hellacious save! Double tuff work there!

CityDweller
05-05-19, 12:48 PM
Plants looking worse than shit again. Classic PH symptoms imo. I tested the soil straight from the bag. 7.8 PH? This cannot be right can it? I have successfully grown in this soil multiple times and never seen these issues before.
Gonna throw an @redisiel in here because I would love your opinion on this.
Thanks!

CityDweller
05-05-19, 12:50 PM
I think I should go clean out the bucket. Might as well grow one in water just to get it done. This endless battle is tiresome.

CityDweller
05-05-19, 01:24 PM
I wonder if I could get away with 2 plants in 1 bucket. I only have 1 bucket to work with.

CityDweller
05-05-19, 01:44 PM
Bucket is ready. EC 0.8 PH 5.8. This nute line appears to swing up.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190505/88a28be866b6a5e09d4e5bab4511cf1a.jpg

CityDweller
05-05-19, 01:49 PM
This is not from overwatering. Today was the first time watering since transplant. They were not drying since they were not feeding. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190505/7cc5f9f17d45540748fc11f52258dde8.jpg

CityDweller
05-05-19, 01:57 PM
Need to clean off some more clay.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190505/1ccfa285b7e69a9b4728a8b48e8db6eb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190505/8537003574a01d3d22780b26c2e845b0.jpg

sourshoes
05-05-19, 04:37 PM
Damn.. I would have given up ages ago. Way to go!

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CityDweller
05-05-19, 06:36 PM
This is my first attempt at the full line of nutes used in dwc taken to harvest. I have had a few odd hydro experiments but never flowered in a nute filled water bucket.

I am expecting this to be easy from here on out. Lol

Cheers

CityDweller
06-05-19, 11:24 AM
No overnight improvement. PH shot up to 6.5 lowered it back to 5.8.

CityDweller
07-05-19, 09:15 PM
One plant has perked up and has new roots showing out the net. The 2nd has not moved at all and does not have new root growth. She is slightly perkier than she was in the soil.

I have added some hooks for training.

Cheers.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190507/db7008779be26f1046b564ec6c61e710.jpg

CityDweller
07-05-19, 09:21 PM
These poor girls are 41 days old. Quite the journey for me.

Cleargreen
07-05-19, 09:53 PM
I'm guessing you would've pulled them already if this wasn't a growout?

CityDweller
07-05-19, 10:09 PM
I'm guessing you would've pulled them already if this wasn't a growout?Nope. I don't pull plants. I talk about it sometimes but it never happens. I feel like when I pop a seed I need to see it through. I am not a fan of failure when it comes to playing with life.

Cleargreen
07-05-19, 10:21 PM
Nope. I don't pull plants. I talk about it sometimes but it never happens. I feel like when I pop a seed I need to see it through. I am not a fan of failure when it comes to playing with life.

That's the spirit! I'm not sure I could say the same...

C-Rex
08-05-19, 01:06 AM
They are fighting City!

CityDweller
08-05-19, 11:11 AM
Good morning Talkers. They have not fully taken hold yet but I don't want to let the stems get too firm. Tied them down now while still soft. I think these girls will be okay. A few weeks to grow some roots and clear out the flower tent and we can get going.
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CityDweller
13-05-19, 11:54 PM
These girls like all plants love a stable PHhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190513/c4e8efa1f16fb1032a30b7eefb928973.jpg

Cleargreen
14-05-19, 05:38 AM
Wow, they've really turned around now :)

C-Rex
14-05-19, 05:42 AM
These girls like all plants love a stable PHhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190513/c4e8efa1f16fb1032a30b7eefb928973.jpgThat is so amazing. Well done CD

CityDweller
16-05-19, 10:31 PM
With res temp at 23.8c I am begging for root rot.
If I move into flower tent I can aim the 2 cold air intakes at the bucket which should help. Problem is I don't have much in the way of roots yet.
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CityDweller
17-05-19, 11:05 AM
This should do for now. Durring the day I can open the ten and pull out this duct into the veg room. Also lowered the temp on ac slightly.
Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190517/bcb0c692cd81142765b98612cdec28b2.jpg

redisiel
17-05-19, 11:09 AM
I’d get that pump up off the floor mate at least above the water level of the bucket, it’s asking for trouble mate.
Redz

CityDweller
17-05-19, 11:30 AM
I’d get that pump up off the floor mate at least above the water level of the bucket, it’s asking for trouble mate.
RedzGood catch. Will do. Thanks mate.

CityDweller
19-05-19, 11:16 AM
Mokum's Tulips are coming on nicely.
Water temp down to 21.1c
EC has swung up to 1.0
PH has swung down to 5.5

I will add a bit of RO water with a drop of UP to try to get PH to 5.8 and EC to 0.8

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CityDweller
20-05-19, 10:00 AM
Roots are exploding now! Still on the first res. Topped it up bit by bit yesterday. EC 0.8, PH 5.9.

It looks like she is going to fill my little tent. I think my timing is a bit off here. The flowers in tent still have a few weeks to go. I will need the tent clear for plants this big.

Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190520/c6a3297b4bd6448c0064bba4665d3c0e.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190520/7da23379cdfd1e9f74fdc40ce815afb8.jpg

CityDweller
20-05-19, 09:40 PM
Outside temps shot up today. It's going to be a hot summer. I had to turn off one of the lights. I hate this season and miss my old bigger ac that quit on me.

Res temp 24.4

I dropped in a frozen water bottle. Hopefully it does not over chill.

EC 0.7 (down 0.1)
PH 5.9

I believe this means the girls are eating!

CityDweller
20-05-19, 09:44 PM
It's only been 1 hour and bottle already fully melted. This method is not sustainable.
Res temp 20c.

CityDweller
21-05-19, 08:56 PM
The speed on DWC is amazing. I understand why people love it. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190521/cf7ecab08e53597924cd610dbb3111b7.jpg

CityDweller
23-05-19, 12:53 PM
Hi Talkers. I picked up a bottle of hydrogard. Hopefully that helps with the heat issue.

PH is at 5.8 and EC is at 0.5 looks like they are eating fast now.

About 2 weeks left before I can use the flowering tent. I will probably have to trim these girls back to fit.

I will clean the roots and bucket this weekend and start again with a fresh mix. This time I will mix and bubble 24 hours in advance so that the PH stabilizes before the roots hit it.

For some reason the fresh mix has a PH jump in the first 24 hours. After that it starts to drop. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190523/4fe4de904d2d27efde47c6e0889cd2fc.jpg

CityDweller
25-05-19, 08:07 PM
New growth looks hungry. EC 0.3. The girls are loving the soup! New batch mixed and bubbling. I used half strength full line and have EC 2.2?? Perhaps I will dilute it. Will decide tomorrow when I clean the res and refill. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190525/4669922779a34ca551670cad592e1e6d.jpg

CityDweller
28-05-19, 07:56 PM
I ended up giving the Mokum's Tulips the full 2.2 EC. A day later and it is already down to 1.9. These girls are eating fast! At this point I am considering an early harvest just to clear out the tent and get these flowering.

I have heard it mentioned that botanicare nutes are garbage. I have been very happy with them. I have the pure blend pro line. It can be used in soil, hydro or coco. I have used it successfully in soil and coco. It looks like hydro works just as well. Being able to switch mediums without spending on new nutes is pretty cool imo.

Thanks for looking. Cheers. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190528/93db152c19e4a14cea9a10ade73eaa4b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190528/0a705fce8c36482370fdcfdfdae19aa8.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190528/c0d9bbe0f4ed42f8b954c00ebfe309a9.jpg

CityDweller
29-05-19, 09:30 PM
We have 2 confirmed females! Looking like solid genes to me!

After all the stress these girls have been through I am going to call BS on Macky's hermies. Dutch Passion gives him a load of free seeds for the Talk and then he jumps ship! What a douchebag! Sorry to open old wounds. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/a18d425452867652fae1f2b99ebcdf98.jpg

Gaz
29-05-19, 09:31 PM
We have 2 confirmed females! Looking like solid genes to me!

After all the stress these girls have been through I am going to call BS on Macky's hermies. Dutch Passion gives him a load of free seeds for the Talk and then he jumps ship! What a douchebag! Sorry to open old wounds. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190529/a18d425452867652fae1f2b99ebcdf98.jpg

Yeah wild that huh

CityDweller
31-05-19, 11:02 PM
Already getting too big for the tent. There will be trimming before flip for sure.

This morning Res was half empty but still 1.0 EC and 5.9 PH. Topped off to full with plain RO. PH would be the same but EC about 0.5 since water volume was doubled. They are already showing some slight fading. Tomorrow I reset at 2.2 with a fresh batch. At the rate they are eating this DWC is turning out to be more effort than expected. Res is too small for 2 plants. This is a daily chore.

CityDweller
31-05-19, 11:02 PM
Already getting too big for the tent. There will be trimming before flip for sure.

This morning Res was half empty but still 1.0 EC and 5.9 PH. Topped off to full with plain RO. PH would be the same but EC about 0.5 since water volume was doubled. They are already showing some slight fading. Tomorrow I reset at 2.2 with a fresh batch. At the rate they are eating this DWC is turning out to be more effort than expected. Res is too small for 2 plants. This is a daily chore.Forgot the photos. Sorry for lights on. Trust me. Definitely slight fading in person. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190531/1020a1579e92c440a9a2a164dcee2200.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190531/fbad5f815cddf3e25dab3a83bf54751e.jpg

hotshot
31-05-19, 11:12 PM
Forgot the photos. Sorry for lights on. Trust me. Definitely slight fading in person. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190531/1020a1579e92c440a9a2a164dcee2200.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190531/fbad5f815cddf3e25dab3a83bf54751e.jpg

They look Huge already CD,:Nice: nice grow dude.:weed::smokie:

CityDweller
31-05-19, 11:15 PM
They look Huge already CD,:Nice: nice grow dude.:weed::smokie:Yeah mate. Too much mess for me. I will butcher them before flip.

Gaz
31-05-19, 11:16 PM
Really good looking plant though mate :)

CityDweller
31-05-19, 11:22 PM
Really good looking plant though mate :)Thanks mate.
Really it's just the name... mokum's Tulip... but I dont think I have ever been this excited to see what the buds look and smell like. Daily chore or not I am taking this to a solid finish!

Gaz
31-05-19, 11:24 PM
Thanks mate.
Really it's just the name... mokum's Tulip... but I dont think I have ever been this excited to see what the buds look and smell like. Daily chore or not I am taking this to a solid finish!

Good man :) I look forward to seeing you do it brother :)

IceCalibur
31-05-19, 11:24 PM
Thanks mate.
Really it's just the name... mokum's Tulip... but I dont think I have ever been this excited to see what the buds look and smell like. Daily chore or not I am taking this to a solid finish!

Now that's passion right there!..agree with Gaz, they are looking good although slightly hungry (didn't show through in the pics bud) :cool:

CityDweller
31-05-19, 11:27 PM
Now that's passion right there!..agree with Gaz, they are looking good although slightly hungry (didn't show through in the pics bud) :cool:Haha. Thanks for the chuckle. Now I gotta sign off and focus on the wife. Good night talkers!

IceCalibur
31-05-19, 11:30 PM
Haha. Thanks for the chuckle. Now I gotta sign off and focus on the wife. Good night talkers!

Hehe, good night bud, have a good one :cool:

CityDweller
02-06-19, 08:12 PM
Res is changed. 2.4 EC, 5.9 PH.

CityDweller
04-06-19, 10:55 AM
Tent is cleared out. Time to clean them up and move them to 12/12

RASTA
04-06-19, 11:00 AM
Tent is cleared out. Time to clean them up and move them to 12/12Ooh yess [emoji4] I love this part [emoji16][emoji847]

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kbag
04-06-19, 11:10 AM
Res is changed. 2.4 EC, 5.9 PH.

Wow that is a high EC.. Plants look good for it though tbh i am surprised they can suck up what they need with that EC.

CityDweller
04-06-19, 11:14 AM
Wow that is a high EC.. Plants look good for it though tbh i am surprised they can suck up what they need with that EC.I thought so too. It is still less than the bottles recommended amount. Plants appear to love it.

CityDweller
04-06-19, 11:15 AM
Probably removed a bit more than I should have. I do not like overcrowding. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190604/6c8811cc90f6bd126b28e56c98b325f1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190604/92137e64377fe3cb5dcd077f023374ec.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190604/39d856fad9ee8aac319344ecf08f7315.jpg

CityDweller
04-06-19, 11:28 AM
Rez EC 2.1 PH 5.9
The reduced EC and no change in PH means that they are drinking properly I think.
I will top off with plain RO which will further reduce EC while not changing the PH.

WhIpLaSh
04-06-19, 11:46 AM
Rez EC 2.1 PH 5.9
The reduced EC and no change in PH means that they are drinking properly I think.
I will top off with plain RO which will further reduce EC while not changing the PH.They're looking great, CD! [emoji7] What's your background EC?

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CityDweller
04-06-19, 11:51 AM
They're looking great, CD! [emoji7] What's your background EC?

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WhIpLaSh
04-06-19, 11:52 AM
Thanks mate. I am on RO water so it's inert. 0.0 EC.Wow, unreal how much food they're taking on-board! [emoji3]

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CityDweller
04-06-19, 11:59 AM
Wow, unreal how much food they're taking on-board! [emoji3]

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RDWC diary under IS quantum boards (mentored by British green) https://bit.ly/2VjQGYyI suspect that high background EC is the cause of lots of growers issues. We don't really know what is in the background EC to adjust accordingly unless we are testing the water regularly. BG EC 0.4 does not necessarily mean there is enough cal n mag. It could mean that but without periodic water testing it is impossible to know.

My tap water is nasty. I figured it would be best to start inert and build it myself.

Cheers.

kbag
04-06-19, 12:05 PM
Out of interest CD are using the botanicare cal/mag plus as your using RO water?

Trex
04-06-19, 02:45 PM
Are you in coco CD ?

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CityDweller
04-06-19, 04:16 PM
Out of interest CD are using the botanicare cal/mag plus as your using RO water?Yes. I have the entire line from Botanicare and use all.
Are you in coco CD ?

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkThis is DWC. Had a bad batch of soil with a 7.6 PH out of the bag. Had to stick these in the bucket to keep them alive.

Trex
04-06-19, 04:17 PM
Yes. I have the entire line from Botanicare and use all.This is DWC. Had a bad batch of soil with a 7.6 PH out of the bag. Had to stick these in the bucket to keep them alive.Oh shit eh .

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CityDweller
04-06-19, 04:18 PM
Oh shit eh .

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkFriggin nightmare. All my plants are suffering at the moment.

Trex
04-06-19, 07:12 PM
7.5 soil aint all that bad tbh . Its workable .

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CityDweller
04-06-19, 07:36 PM
7.5 soil aint all that bad tbh . Its workable .

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkMy plants disagree.
Perhaps if I had known the PH was high before I started I could have fixed it.

Cleargreen
04-06-19, 08:48 PM
This DWC is all Chinese to me but I really like seeing how it brought these plants back from the brink of death and perhaps even towards some POTM contestants
great job you're doing here :)

420Rancher
05-06-19, 03:12 AM
Just found this DWC grow, running high ec is what my nutes have said for years. There are two spots of the grow that can turn fast or in my grows, 2 weeks after flipping you might want to back the soup down for at least a week, then bring it back up.and back it back down just before the stretch ends, or they can lockout quick.
Or this is what I've had done to overcome issues I've had in the past.
A larger Rez, definately makes it easier, if you plumb another bucket outside the tent, it's easy to drop a 4l frozen bottle into.
If you think growing is addictive, you opened a whole new world with this water growing. So many things to build and modify and tweak.
Glad you got these plants thriving keep up the great work!



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CityDweller
05-06-19, 11:02 AM
Just found this DWC grow, running high ec is what my nutes have said for years. There are two spots of the grow that can turn fast or in my grows, 2 weeks after flipping you might want to back the soup down for at least a week, then bring it back up.and back it back down just before the stretch ends, or they can lockout quick.
Or this is what I've had done to overcome issues I've had in the past.
A larger Rez, definately makes it easier, if you plumb another bucket outside the tent, it's easy to drop a 4l frozen bottle into.
If you think growing is addictive, you opened a whole new world with this water growing. So many things to build and modify and tweak.
Glad you got these plants thriving keep up the great work!



Sent from my iPad using TapatalkThanks mate. Since the rez is small I have been topping it off daily with plain RO. By the time it's ready to be cleaned and changed the EC is down to about 0.4 and the plants start to fade slightly. So really the high EC is just for about a day. My next clean will be when flowers just start to form. I will do what you said and just give them 1.2
Cheers mate.

420Rancher
05-06-19, 11:45 AM
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One of these and a RO line go along way to keeping the soup topped up, as the temps rise and the roots grow, there is less room for the soup, and becomes even more of a challenge to keep topped up.i prefer plumbing a second bucket to keep it in so roots don't interfere but every improvement makes it a Hassel free grow.
More soup also helps with the Rez temperatures, I find my rez with 80L doesn't fluctuate as high on hot days. Freezing ice to top up the Rez instead of water. I add ice cubes to my rez and have never seen any bad effects.
Looking forward to seeing your recovered plants smashing it outta the park.




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CityDweller
05-06-19, 12:20 PM
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One of these and a RO line go along way to keeping the soup topped up, as the temps rise and the roots grow, there is less room for the soup, and becomes even more of a challenge to keep topped up.i prefer plumbing a second bucket to keep it in so roots don't interfere but every improvement makes it a Hassel free grow.
More soup also helps with the Rez temperatures, I find my rez with 80L doesn't fluctuate as high on hot days. Freezing ice to top up the Rez instead of water. I add ice cubes to my rez and have never seen any bad effects.
Looking forward to seeing your recovered plants smashing it outta the park.




Sent from my iPad using TapatalkUnfortunately I have the RO in the kitchen and not in the groom. Everything is manual for me.

It looks like I have space for a 2nd or even a 3rd bucket. Just not sure how that works to connect them. I will do some googling. My bucket only has a connection at the bottom. I guess if I pipe to a 2nd bucket the balance each other out?

I have 2 intakes at the bottom of the tent blowing air from the groom AC onto the bucket. Today will be a very hot day outside. I'll check rez temp at the end of the day when it should be hottest.

420Rancher
05-06-19, 06:07 PM
Yes they will balance out if on the same level. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/687ca7ccf3d5c5e1b7a996678a49886f.jpg
These are 2 style fitting I use to plumb 20L pails, or any size can be used.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/7609eb824ac3e889f0f845bcce309059.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/62d7baa7c72bf6cf051ac9efe811aab1.jpg
I use this when I want to auto topup when on holidays, with a float valve in the Rez.


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Trex
05-06-19, 06:47 PM
Bulkhead Fittings CD . Its how we fit up pipe to tanks

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CityDweller
05-06-19, 09:11 PM
Yes they will balance out if on the same level. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/687ca7ccf3d5c5e1b7a996678a49886f.jpg
These are 2 style fitting I use to plumb 20L pails, or any size can be used.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/7609eb824ac3e889f0f845bcce309059.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/62d7baa7c72bf6cf051ac9efe811aab1.jpg
I use this when I want to auto topup when on holidays, with a float valve in the Rez.


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Bulkhead Fittings CD . Its how we fit up pipe to tanks

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkThank you both!! This looks simple enough. I hope they are on prime. Would love to tackle the project this weekend.

CityDweller
05-06-19, 09:16 PM
Came home to substantial fading. PH 5.0 EC 2.5!!

I should have topped off this morning before going to work.

Got it settled in now at PH 6.1 EC 1.2.

The lesson learned is that yes, 2 plants in 1 bucket is possible. Just not advisable. No root space and daily maintenance needed. Might be twice daily come mid flower.

I will try to add another 10 gallons this weekend.

Should I be trimming roots to controll growth?

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CityDweller
05-06-19, 09:24 PM
I love it when they make it all simple. This looks like a leak proof solution. I will use plumbers seal for joints. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/e6751675aaf6579d8b809b21d3abcec1.jpg

CityDweller
05-06-19, 09:27 PM
The current 19 liter bucket only takes about 11 liters soup and that space will diminish as roots grow. Adding another 38 liters of soup should make a massive difference for stability. Great call @420rancher

420Rancher
05-06-19, 09:36 PM
Bulkhead Fittings CD . Its how we fit up pipe to tanks

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Yes I like the bulkhead fittings just need to drill it abit higher for a better seal on the bottom of 20 l bucket.


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CityDweller
05-06-19, 09:53 PM
I was checking PAR readings and it is amazing how much is blocked by shade leaves. Decided to go heavy defoliation. Lowered light to 800 PAR center canopy. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/e6e249de25818c5ab5b7d8233ab08994.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/8301313577bd032767651a585d762068.jpg

Trex
05-06-19, 11:40 PM
Lower your feeds if e.c rises and ph plunges cd

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CityDweller
06-06-19, 11:07 AM
Lower your feeds if e.c rises and ph plunges cd

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420Rancher
06-06-19, 11:50 AM
Lower your feeds if e.c rises and ph plunges cd

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So true, the nice thing about hydro, dropping EC , can and should be done quickly and drastically. As it is a good sign of potential lockout, it's easy enough to bring back up.
Or this is my thoughts. Trex how quickly or drastically do you adjust. My thoughts are if on the second day of dropping ph I drop my EC in half. The first day I always recalibrate and circulate soup to ensure I'm not chasing demons.



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Trex
06-06-19, 12:33 PM
I was checking PAR readings and it is amazing how much is blocked by shade leaves. Decided to go heavy defoliation. Lowered light to 800 PAR center canopy. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/e6e249de25818c5ab5b7d8233ab08994.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190605/8301313577bd032767651a585d762068.jpgFor the excezz leaves . You best tucking them in . Snippin em sets em back . And if you snip lets say a leaf for a bud sit or a good branch . It will seize to thrive lol . Ive learned that the hard way lol

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CityDweller
06-06-19, 09:27 PM
For the excezz leaves . You best tucking them in . Snippin em sets em back . And if you snip lets say a leaf for a bud sit or a good branch . It will seize to thrive lol . Ive learned that the hard way lol

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkDunno mate. I have removed more than this without issue. Hopefully this time is the same.

Trex
06-06-19, 09:30 PM
Dunno mate. I have removed more than this without issue. Hopefully this time is the same.Ok . Some like it some definelty dont lol

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CityDweller
06-06-19, 09:33 PM
Ok . Some like it some definelty dont lol

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkI agree with that. I tried it on a fast and vast auto and it ruined her.

CityDweller
07-06-19, 12:29 AM
New soup brewing. Going to record the recipe here. Simple math should allow me to adjust EC across the line while maintaining balance. I think. Lol

I will test the soup again before adding to the new setup. See if time changes anything without any roots cooking.

Pen showing 2.8 in 2.77 solution

3 gallons US or 11.4 liters RO water 0.0 EC.

+5ml silica blast = 0.0 EC
+ 7.5ml C&M = 0.1
+ 12.5ml Bloom = 0.6
+ 6ml hydroguard = 0.6
+ 5ml hydroplex = 0.7
+6ml sweet raw = 0.8
+6ml karma = 0.8
+2.5ml bloom = 1.0

I will not check PH as it is bad for the pen. It is lower than the pen will read. I will start with 1.25ml up and take first reading.

CityDweller
07-06-19, 12:35 AM
PH pen calibrated this morning and then used a few times. Still showing true. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190607/3dc6b0f3edf410a4cf49ff47cb4c812d.jpg

CityDweller
07-06-19, 12:42 AM
1.25ml PH up = 5.8 PH. Bubbles not affecting the reading.
Let's see what the morning brings.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190607/5701a72febfde3440738e5bfdf1c43e2.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190607/4d80c7856c06d6bcb3581dbf41509241.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190607/b914893575059bf774482c452744808a.jpg

CityDweller
07-06-19, 12:43 AM
Just to be sure we are still reading accurately. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190607/5ce15ed9ceb920fb72d39f446ef6e31d.jpg

CityDweller
07-06-19, 10:38 AM
5.8 this morning. A night of bubbling does not affect the PH with these nutes.

Trex
07-06-19, 05:40 PM
I have the zame exact meter as you bud . It drift every week i find . My Milwaukee would be solid for months on end

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IceCalibur
07-06-19, 05:43 PM
I have the zame exact meter as you bud . It drift every week i find . My Milwaukee would be solid for months on end

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Didn't even know Milwaukee did a PH meter!

Trex
07-06-19, 05:51 PM
Didn't even know Milwaukee did a PH meter!Yea . Good ones too . Even the 30$ ones .

Their e.c meters are unmatched for accuracy and durability . Fucking tough man . The Sharp and Martini range are whaT you want . For 150$ you can get them both .



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420Rancher
07-06-19, 11:10 PM
Damn, didn't know Milwaukee make meters. Just told my wife the 18v chainsaw, was the only tool I planned on buying, when I bought it. Now I gotta sneak a meter into the house.ill have to cover the name, she thinks I have a Milwaukee problem.




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CityDweller
08-06-19, 12:12 PM
I will definitely check out the Milwaukee.

Buckets are added. I did not plan this well. Main bucket is off center and rez change and clean is going to be a serious pain in the ass.

Buckets did not come with lids? Time to improvise.

EC 0.8 PH 6.2

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CityDweller
08-06-19, 12:31 PM
@Trex which pen do you use? Massive price difference and the reviews are not so great.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/73b6d273c62b37f4d8c860428fc45fc7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/4cda0318eeba3b8e562236169a2360a8.jpg

CityDweller
08-06-19, 12:39 PM
Anyone know what I would need to automatically mix the soup between the three buckets? For this first brew I had to use a large cup and manually transfer from bucket to bucket until EC and PH matched between the three. Took a good half hour.

420Rancher
08-06-19, 01:24 PM
I use a pump and run a recirculation system, you don't need much flow, you don't want to overflow any buckets . definately get lids on the buckets, rigid foam works well to keep light and heat away from buckets. I plumb outside the tent to keep slip away from heat and also use the same pump to empty the rez.
This is a tester I was looking at.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/2657a195b8a2b350ea200137be1b502f.jpg, anyone have one?

What ph are you targeting in flower, 6.2 seems on the high side for flowering? I target lower during flower.
6.2 sounds great for veg.
If you don't want to go with a steady circulation, the buckets should naturally balance just taking time due to no flow.

This is what I use for an 80L capacity system , if you are keeping your soup in the tent, might be worth changing your main bucket.
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420Rancher
08-06-19, 01:28 PM
If I was adding capacity and staying with the 20L pails, I would of plumbed them in line so I pumped from 1 bucket, to the plant and the water would have to flow thru all three buckets to return to the pump.


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CityDweller
08-06-19, 01:32 PM
If I was adding capacity and staying with the 20L pails, I would of plumbed them in line so I pumped from 1 bucket, to the plant and the water would have to flow thru all three buckets to return to the pump.


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkThanks for all the info. I guess since this is only for 1 grow I will leave as is. 5.8 is my target PH but since the PH has been dropping I figured I would start at 6.2 and let it get to 5.6 before raising again. If it remains stable at 6.2 I will drop it myself. Cheers mate.

420Rancher
08-06-19, 01:35 PM
Another option I have used is to a large garbage bin,
Allowing me to mix all my soup a day before my change to permit brew for accurate numbers.



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420Rancher
08-06-19, 01:41 PM
It's a fuzzy picture but my nute supplier that I have been using for 25+ years, says 5.4-5.8. that is why I am asking
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The possibilities are endless I. Hydroponics. I love tinkering with systems and building diffent ones.


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CityDweller
08-06-19, 02:35 PM
It's a fuzzy picture but my nute supplier that I have been using for 25+ years, says 5.4-5.8. that is why I am asking
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The possibilities are endless I. Hydroponics. I love tinkering with systems and building diffent ones.


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI am a big fan of organic soil growing. The only reason I went hydro is because I was having trouble keeping these girls alive in my bad batch of soil and I already had these mineral nutes from before I switched to organics. We'll see. Maybe I'll get hooked and get a proper recirculating setup for the future but I suspect I will go right back to soil. I have about 100 liters of soil cooking already waiting to be used.

CityDweller
08-06-19, 04:49 PM
I found a small pump in my storage. On its lowest setting it is still too fast for it to balance. I know I have a float switch around here somewhere.

Trex
08-06-19, 06:19 PM
@Trex which pen do you use? Massive price difference and the reviews are not so great.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/73b6d273c62b37f4d8c860428fc45fc7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190608/4cda0318eeba3b8e562236169a2360a8.jpgI have both . Never had any problems with either of them CD . I now have the martini range . Rekon its the ph 55 .

But the HM is still high quality . It just drifts . Ill send HM a email see whats up . Obviously we both have the same problem .



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CityDweller
08-06-19, 06:41 PM
I have both . Never had any problems with either of them CD . I now have the martini range . Rekon its the ph 55 .

But the HM is still high quality . It just drifts . Ill send HM a email see whats up . Obviously we both have the same problem .



Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkThe bluelab was drifting way worse than the HM. I still have another unused HM. Once I go through both I will try out the Milwaukee.

Trex
08-06-19, 07:53 PM
Try cleaning them cd . In orgznics the felt and bulbs may get sludgy .



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420Rancher
09-06-19, 01:59 AM
I found a small pump in my storage. On its lowest setting it is still too fast for it to balance. I know I have a float switch around here somewhere.

My pumps only have one setting, I use theses to regulate bucket flow.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190609/7b15f3e0140701a5627e95e3b22378f7.jpg if you pump is strong , just plumb an addition line for the bucket the pump sits in to reduce pressure.


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hotshot
09-06-19, 12:53 PM
My pumps only have one setting, I use theses to regulate bucket flow.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190609/7b15f3e0140701a5627e95e3b22378f7.jpg if you pump is strong , just plumb an addition line for the bucket the pump sits in to reduce pressure.


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Looks like you could make A nice pipe out of that. lol:pps:

CityDweller
10-06-19, 07:50 PM
So I am seeing some odd leaf spotting. Took out the new PH meter. Both meters showing 7.0 in 7.0 calibration solution. In the soup the new pen is showing 5.9 and old pen 5.6.
Old pen in the bin. Hopefully the new pen is accurate. Going to order a milwakee to compare.

CityDweller
10-06-19, 09:09 PM
Finally found the float switch. Then I went and installed it in the wrong bucket. I was thinking backwards. Doh.

420Rancher
10-06-19, 09:10 PM
Finally found the float switch. Then I went and installed it in the wrong bucket. I was thinking backwards. Doh.

Lol thanks for sharing, I'm busting a gut been there done that.




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CityDweller
10-06-19, 09:14 PM
Lol thanks for sharing, I'm busting a gut been there done that.




Sent from my iPad using TapatalkLol. I was thinking... on a stoner site I bet I'm not the first.

CityDweller
10-06-19, 09:58 PM
Back to PH pens.

From what I have seen, The newer model HM and Bluelab both have about a 6 month to 1 year life. HM far cheaper for a disposable item and I have had better luck with them.

The Milwaukee has a replaceable electrode for about the same price as a new HM pen. Maybe replacing the electrode restores true reading? We will find out in time.

CityDweller
10-06-19, 10:02 PM
Too many updates without photos. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190610/fc96415b68d32d6ebbe19c4b2d9781c3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190610/9812c5d8c5fde6afb8a5e74988a2c35b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190610/db633189775094a4e34a902aa776c311.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190610/76220da5dfdbb00e8449917764624be3.jpg

CityDweller
10-06-19, 10:27 PM
Took the pen out of the trash. Older model in back with blue drop. Will do a photo side by side when milwakee arrives. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190610/d551c7bfa89b0915caee3790b8b7fc3a.jpg

Trex
10-06-19, 11:32 PM
You can do a double calibration cd . With 4ph and the 7ph . Do them back to bafk . A good rinse between the differnt solutions . It may set it back straight

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CityDweller
11-06-19, 08:38 PM
You can do a double calibration cd . With 4ph and the 7ph . Do them back to bafk . A good rinse between the differnt solutions . It may set it back straight

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkThat is exactly how I do it. I use RO water to clean well and shake it off good before calibration. 1 day old and already the reading is off by .3
Calibrated again... 18 hours later off by .1
Really need better precision with PH. I take back my good review of HM. The newest model is terrible! Hopefully Milwaukee is here tomorrow and has better results.

IceCalibur
11-06-19, 08:40 PM
That is exactly how I do it. I use RO water to clean well and shake it off good before calibration. 1 day old and already the reading is off by .3
Calibrated again... 18 hours later off by .1
Really need better precision with PH. I take back my good review of HM. The newest model is terrible! Hopefully Milwaukee is here tomorrow and has better results.

Removed it now from my Amazon wishlist, thanks for the heads up CD :cool:

CityDweller
11-06-19, 08:51 PM
Removed it now from my Amazon wishlist, thanks for the heads up CD :cool:Glad I tested this one before you waisted your money.

Trex
11-06-19, 09:33 PM
That is exactly how I do it. I use RO water to clean well and shake it off good before calibration. 1 day old and already the reading is off by .3
Calibrated again... 18 hours later off by .1
Really need better precision with PH. I take back my good review of HM. The newest model is terrible! Hopefully Milwaukee is here tomorrow and has better results.Oh we aint supposed to put ph meters in low e.c water like r.o and distilled cd . It fucks the probes up milwaukee told me .



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CityDweller
11-06-19, 09:48 PM
Oh we aint supposed to put ph meters in low e.c water like r.o and distilled cd . It fucks the probes up milwaukee told me .



Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkReally! First I heard this. Glad I learned it before the new Milwaukee arrived. Now I am tempted to get another HM just to compare without ever touching RO (until after all nutes added)

CityDweller
11-06-19, 09:49 PM
Oh we aint supposed to put ph meters in low e.c water like r.o and distilled cd . It fucks the probes up milwaukee told me .



Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkAny thoughts on storage. In a shot glass with solution acceptable? Cleaned first of course.

Trex
11-06-19, 09:58 PM
Any thoughts on storage. In a shot glass with solution acceptable? Cleaned first of course.I use mine so much i dont need to store it really . Even when not in use for months . I just leave em in a cool dark place . Fire it up .calibrate it and voila .
In 5 yrs ive burned one of them cheap milwaukee ph600 .

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CityDweller
11-06-19, 10:00 PM
I use mine so much i dont need to store it really . Even when not in use for months . I just leave em in a cool dark place . Fire it up .calibrate it and voila .
In 5 yrs ive burned one of them cheap milwaukee ph600 .

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkHow often do you calibrate? I was told calibration reduces life. Any idea if this is true?

kbag
12-06-19, 02:24 AM
I found that cleaning a ph pen in luke warm water with a little washing up liquid often brings them back to working correctly. i give it a swish round every now and then whilst leaving it to stand in the soapy water for 12-24hrs. Then i rinse it off calibrate with buffer 7 and 4 and its good to go again. Yeh and never store your pen in RO or distilled water it damages the probe.

CityDweller
12-06-19, 08:52 AM
I found that cleaning a ph pen in luke warm water with a little washing up liquid often brings them back to working correctly. i give it a swish round every now and then whilst leaving it to stand in the soapy water for 12-24hrs. Then i rinse it off calibrate with buffer 7 and 4 and its good to go again. Yeh and never store your pen in RO or distilled water it damages the probe.I will give that a shot.
I have been storing them in storage solution. Only been washing them in RO.

CityDweller
12-06-19, 10:20 AM
Even my unfiltered tap water has a 0.0 EC? This is odd since it sometimes comes out brown. Always makes my skin dry and peel. I have filters on almost every tap. Bottled water also.showing 0.0 EC. 2.77 EC solution showing 2.8 on the pen so I think the pen is ok.

CityDweller
12-06-19, 10:33 AM
Leaves looking slightly more spotted. They look a bit overfed but EC is 0.8 and has not moved since the rez change and buckets added. Should I lower EC?
Not going to bother with PH again until the milwakee arrives. I have the two HM soaking in bottled water with a bit of soap. I will use the straight tap to rinse them and calibrate all 3 meters before testing them again. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/fd61eef79940a1dd4ef4f4812a7185ae.jpg

420Rancher
12-06-19, 11:33 AM
That is exactly how I do it. I use RO water to clean well and shake it off good before calibration. 1 day old and already the reading is off by .3
Calibrated again... 18 hours later off by .1
Really need better precision with PH. I take back my good review of HM. The newest model is terrible! Hopefully Milwaukee is here tomorrow and has better results.

Just rinse with tap water, it's closer to the scale of the meter, I have calibrated my probe for 20 years,I calibrate to 4 and 7. My meter is so old that I need to replace it, as the 4 calibration is near the end of my adjustment. It still calibrates fine on 7 so I know I'm close.
You mentioned spots on leaves, if they get worse and the plants are green, you might want to flush for a day or two.
How long since you flipped to 12/12
When did you change to bloom nutes?
What is the Rez temp.

I would cover the black pails to reduce heat, even some white paint.
Unless you are running a chiller, then it won't matter.



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CityDweller
12-06-19, 11:41 AM
Just rinse with tap water, it's closer to the scale of the meter, I have calibrated my probe for 20 years,I calibrate to 4 and 7. My meter is so old that I need to replace it, as the 4 calibration is near the end of my adjustment. It still calibrates fine on 7 so I know I'm close.
You mentioned spots on leaves, if they get worse and the plants are green, you might want to flush for a day or two.
How long since you flipped to 12/12
When did you change to bloom nutes?
What is the Rez temp.

I would cover the black pails to reduce heat, even some white paint.
Unless you are running a chiller, then it won't matter.



Sent from my iPad using TapatalkWhen I check the pens in PH 7 they both read 7. When I check the rez one is showing 5.1 and the other is showing 5.6. This was yesterday.

Temp is showing 22c right now. It might get a little warmer later in the day. I am using hydroguard and have 2 air ducts blowing from AC onto the buckets.

Flip to 12/12 was 8 days ago. I changed to bloom feed on the last Rez change a few days ago when I added the 2 buckets.

CityDweller
12-06-19, 11:49 AM
Washed them off after a few hours of soapy water soak and calibrated again. This time readings are very close. I will raise PH up to 5.8.

EC pen is showing 2.4 degrees cooler. Not sure which is right on the temp. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/afbb87f52efda425e5191bbf27dfd6bb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/a1c54786e9b4fac8f6260aaf1d03503c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/2a475cbf7235b922c10f20c11e65b2a7.jpg

420Rancher
12-06-19, 12:11 PM
Washed them off after a few hours of soapy water soak and calibrated again. This time readings are very close. I will raise PH up to 5.8.

EC pen is showing 2.4 degrees cooler. Not sure which is right on the temp. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/afbb87f52efda425e5191bbf27dfd6bb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/a1c54786e9b4fac8f6260aaf1d03503c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/2a475cbf7235b922c10f20c11e65b2a7.jpg

I never trust a meter, and use them as a guide. Read the plants. 22 isnt bad but I would still do something to reflected light.
If you can find a piece of this, it works wonders and it's easy to move out of the way to work on the garden, cut to size.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/09edfb7f8cb4d5904b4572aebd68ac23.jpg
It's kinda what I done last year to combat the heat without a chiller. The air conditioner worked well and was more efficient with the upper and lower seperation with foam.


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CityDweller
12-06-19, 12:21 PM
I never trust a meter, and use them as a guide. Read the plants. 22 isnt bad but I would still do something to reflected light.
If you can find a piece of this, it works wonders and it's easy to move out of the way to work on the garden, cut to size.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190612/09edfb7f8cb4d5904b4572aebd68ac23.jpg
It's kinda what I done last year to combat the heat without a chiller. The air conditioner worked well and was more efficient with the upper and lower seperation with foam.


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI have some sheets of plain white styrofoam put away. Got a delivery and could not bring myself to trash it. Such a waste. I hate touching the stuff. Makes my skin crawl. I'll grab a knife and go cut a piece or two to size. I think it was only about half inch thick so maybe 3 pieces glued together. Keeping the cold air down low makes sense. Thanks 420rancher, you have been tons of help!

CityDweller
12-06-19, 01:01 PM
Foam in place. Once again both pens reading 7.0 in 7. In Rez (after 2ml up) New pen reading 5.8 old pen reading 5.5
Going to stop here. Hopefully new pen gets delivered today.

Trex
12-06-19, 01:06 PM
Foam in place. Once again both pens reading 7.0 in 7. In Rez (after 2ml up) New pen reading 5.8 old pen reading 5.5
Going to stop here. Hopefully new pen gets delivered today.Yea thats a fuckeroo man . Wait til new pen comes in and chexk em side by side . Trash the crap one . I have two three of each now lol and when i doubt i put them all side by side ...

Have you tried wiping the bulb on the old one . Some soft toilet paper with water i do once in a while .

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CityDweller
12-06-19, 01:10 PM
Yea thats a fuckeroo man . Wait til new pen comes in and chexk em side by side . Trash the crap one . I have two three of each now lol and when i doubt i put them all side by side ...

Have you tried wiping the bulb on the old one . Some soft toilet paper with water i do once in a while .

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkWashed in soap. Wrinsed well in tap and wiped with paper. Your advice is solid. Gotta have multiple pens to compare and keep out the pens that go out.
I need to research laboratory grade pens. I don't mind saving for good equipment that can last.

kbag
12-06-19, 01:49 PM
Was worth a try CD there would be just one more thing i would do before binning it and that is to shake it vigorously like you would a bottle of nutes. On occasions they get air bubbles in the glass bowl Apera Instruments actually tell you to do this in the user manual.

Trex
12-06-19, 01:53 PM
Washed in soap. Wrinsed well in tap and wiped with paper. Your advice is solid. Gotta have multiple pens to compare and keep out the pens that go out.
I need to research laboratory grade pens. I don't mind saving for good equipment that can last.They are just as bad CD . Ive had the big lab ones . The probes go on them just as fast . The cost of the probes are just as much as a pen .

I worked in water treatement and we were better off with the pens maintenance and cost wise .

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CityDweller
12-06-19, 03:32 PM
They are just as bad CD . Ive had the big lab ones . The probes go on them just as fast . The cost of the probes are just as much as a pen .

I worked in water treatement and we were better off with the pens maintenance and cost wise .

Sent from my SM-G950W using TapatalkGood to know. Thanks Trex.

CityDweller
12-06-19, 08:16 PM
Milwakee 5.5
New HM 5.7
Old HM 5.3

All reading 7 in the 7.

I will follow the Milwaukee and raise PH a bit more to 5.8

IceCalibur
12-06-19, 08:19 PM
Which model Milwakee did you get please CD mate?

CityDweller
12-06-19, 08:33 PM
Which model Milwakee did you get please CD mate?PH55
Instructions say do not store in cap. Do not store in RO or distilled. Keep in cup with tap water or 4.0 or storage solution. Also says to soak for 2 hours before first calibration.

The HM you have the option of 1 point or 2 point calibration. The Milwaukee requires 2 point calibration so both 7 and 4 are crucial.

IceCalibur
12-06-19, 08:42 PM
PH55
Instructions say do not store in cap. Do not store in RO or distilled. Keep in cup with tap water or 4.0 or storage solution. Also says to soak for 2 hours before first calibration.

The HM you have the option of 1 point or 2 point calibration. The Milwaukee requires 2 point calibration so both 7 and 4 are crucial.

Hmm ok, thank you, I'm going to buy two so might as well get both of these models.

CityDweller
12-06-19, 08:48 PM
Hmm ok, thank you, I'm going to buy two so might as well get both of these models.I will order the cheaper milwakee to compare. It would be nice if I had 2 pens giving me the same reading.

Cleargreen
12-06-19, 09:06 PM
What a headache this pH meter thing :eek:

CityDweller
12-06-19, 09:58 PM
What a headache this pH meter thing :eek:Making me crazy. Milwakee already reading 7.1 in 7 and it's only been a few hours and 3 uses. If .1 is 10x then I would much rather have a bit more reliability and precision.

Cleargreen
12-06-19, 10:07 PM
Making me crazy. Milwakee already reading 7.1 in 7 and it's only been a few hours and 3 uses. If .1 is 10x then I would much rather have a bit more reliability and precision.

You could go oldschool with drop drops of chemicals and calculations :laugh:

420Rancher
12-06-19, 11:44 PM
I find with duel calibration, I will typically go between the 4 and 7 about 3 times but I have screws to set the calibration.

.1 wouldn't bother me. pH is a range not a science.
As long as it it consistent week by week without further tuning to calibrate weekly.


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13-06-19, 12:00 AM
I find with duel calibration, I will typically go between the 4 and 7 about 3 times but I have screws to set the calibration.

.1 wouldn't bother me. pH is a range not a science.
As long as it it consistent week by week without further tuning to calibrate weekly.


Sent from my iPad using TapatalkYou ever try using the wine cooler as a water chiller? Even with the foam I was at 25c before lights out and it's only going to get worse as the temps get hotter outside.

420Rancher
13-06-19, 02:07 AM
You ever try using the wine cooler as a water chiller? Even with the foam I was at 25c before lights out and it's only going to get worse as the temps get hotter outside.

Not yet, been busy doing property work.
I have hooked up my freestanding air to assist with cooling, I do add the occasional 4L frozen jug of water to gain a couple degrees. And do top ups with cold water. Been holding 70-72 degrees. My plants are looking awesome and hoping that I can keep the grow on track.



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