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The Solyom
04-04-20, 09:56 AM
After the last hydro disaster grow and much reading advice on this forum, plus from Krofam who has been brilliant I have changed faith and am now a dedicated coco grower.
The 1st of the 3 seeds popped last Sunday, next was Tuesday and 3rd on Weds.

The kit:
HLG 150w from VividLed
1.2x1.2x2 Lighthouse tent
4" ruck fan with Rhino pro filter
If they arrive in time 9l Air pots, if not hempy buckets.
Scrog with 400 or 600w HPS
Canna coco pro with 30% perlite
Canna coco nutes
Canna rhizotonic
Cana cannazyme
Epsom salts and or Cal mag
ph up/down
Ph tester
Bluelab truncheon for ec testing.
3x Gelato from Freedom of Seeds

The seeds were soaked for 24 hours in a glass of water then into paper towels and placed in my airing cupboard.
All welcome to join me on this journey and any advice always welcomed.

So, here they are.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1_29th.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2_31st.jpg

Not a very good pic I'm afraid

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3_1st_Apr.jpg

The Solyom
04-04-20, 03:17 PM
Just had some Mykos delivered. I've been reading what other Talkers have to say about Mykos and it is all good. Will be adding it all around roots when girls are transplanted to ferever pots.
Forgot to add to original post that days 1-3 they got no feed then 2ml per litre Rhizo from then on.
My water ec is 0.3 which apparently is very low, ph 5.7

Mac
04-04-20, 05:06 PM
Pulling up a chair and rolling a fat one :joint: , good luck fella, already looking better than the last ones :)

RASTA
04-04-20, 05:55 PM
Al grab a seat, good luck on this one The solyom [emoji41]

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IceCalibur
04-04-20, 08:03 PM
Good luck with the grow The Solyom, sending green mojo to these girls :barmy:

The Solyom
05-04-20, 08:39 AM
Thanks all, yea Macca, this coco stuff is the dogs!

Easy-T
05-04-20, 08:59 AM
Good luck solyom, I'll tag along [emoji106]

From behind the bushes

Krofam
05-04-20, 09:32 AM
oh yeah! bring it on!!

subbed for this.

The Solyom
07-04-20, 09:08 AM
All good today! The girls are all looking fit and healthy.
Light is 24" above plants, full power 24hr.
PH 5.8
EC 0.2 Rhizotonic
Temps 26C to 30C

I am pissed off with the ebayer seller I've ordered the pots from. 1st, 2 days after I ordered he went "away" until the 6th, now he's moved the posts again and changed it to the 11th. I can't find anyone else who has them without a long wait. Looks like it will have to be hempy buckets.

Some pics. No. 1 is 8 days old, 2 is 6, 3 is 5. No.2 has the biggest leaves by a fair bit.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Gelato_1_2_3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Gelato_1_2_3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Gelato_1_3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Gelato_1_2.jpg

When should I put them on 18/6 or should I not bother? Any advice appreciated

Mac
07-04-20, 11:27 AM
Looking good fella :)

If you ultimately want to run 18/6 do it now. Might as well get em used to it sooner rather than later when she can be a hormonal moody bitch ;)

Not so much now but later into the grow be aware lights off means humidity spikes usually, just be aware and plan for it and no issue :)

The Solyom
07-04-20, 01:11 PM
I'm not bothered either way. Whatever produces the best results!

I have just received an email with a tracking number for the air pots. Happy days.

And I've got 1039 thanks. Thanks to those who've thanked :stoned-smilie:

Will go to 18/12 tomorrow, we've got a heatwave coming apparently so lights off 11am to 5pm.

RASTA
10-04-20, 12:58 PM
Right ya pest, diary moved to mentored section, Title changed, student hat medal awarded and 1000 thanks medal awarded.

Anything else before a get back to work lol

Good luck with this one lads. Am sure yous will smash it [emoji41]

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The Solyom
10-04-20, 01:50 PM
Temps are good 25-28C
PH 5.8
EC bumped to 0.8
RH 40/50
Light readjusted to 24"


They were looking a bit pale today so I've pushed the ec up. Rhizo @ 2 ml/L and Canna coco A&B
I also gave them a foliar spray with Calmag @2ml/L
As you can see in the pics there are a couple of brown marks on the leaves, I think it might be where they got splashed during feeding.

Some pics
Group shot
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Group_10-4.jpg

No.1 @ 12 days
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-10-4.jpg

No.2 @ 10 days
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-10-4.jpg

No.3 @ 9 days
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-10-4.jpg

Krofam has kindly, if foolishly, lol volunteered to Mentor me and I couldn't be happier. Big thanks to Krofam.

Krofam
11-04-20, 11:14 PM
looking good man. keep it at 0.8 for now.
you rhizo at half strength every other feed.

how much are you mixing up at a time and how much are you feeding through?
what are your tap water readings again?

at this point feeding every 2 or 3 days or so is fine. you want the medium to dry out a bit but not too much. this makes the roots search and grow.

i pur in 1 ltr at a time. slowly around the stem at first so it saturates in the middle and all the way to the bottom then, upping the speed slowly untill it starts to fill pot creating a pool, i then stop and allow it to be fully saturated. in airpots, if too much water come out the side holes your doing too fast. this method pushes out old air and gives more frsh air to the roots.

lights on 24/7?
you could stick it on 18/6 but as mentioned before, you gota do it now. i say this cos heat is coming and better to be prepared. good time would be 10am - 4pm.

i do 24/7 cos i can handle temps.

The Solyom
13-04-20, 04:11 PM
looking good man. keep it at 0.8 for now.
you rhizo at half strength every other feed.

how much are you mixing up at a time and how much are you feeding through?
what are your tap water readings again?

at this point feeding every 2 or 3 days or so is fine. you want the medium to dry out a bit but not too much. this makes the roots search and grow.

i pur in 1 ltr at a time. slowly around the stem at first so it saturates in the middle and all the way to the bottom then, upping the speed slowly untill it starts to fill pot creating a pool, i then stop and allow it to be fully saturated. in airpots, if too much water come out the side holes your doing too fast. this method pushes out old air and gives more frsh air to the roots.

lights on 24/7?
you could stick it on 18/6 but as mentioned before, you gota do it now. i say this cos heat is coming and better to be prepared. good time would be 10am - 4pm.

i do 24/7 cos i can handle temps.

Glad to have you back.
Rhizo @ 2ml/L
[email protected]/L
A+B 20ml/L
PHd to 5.8

Today I mixed up 6 litres but it came out way to high ec. So what I did was took 1/2 litre of that and added ph 5.8 water until I got it to ec 0.8. My water most days is 0.3 but 1 day was 0.4 so I check everyday. So total ec today is 1.1.

I have filled the airpots and prepared the room for them. I have also added a 5" ruck to run alongside the existing 4". I am at present getting the temps right under a 600w Lumii Sunblaster. I fucked up a bit as I thought it was dual spec but it's not. I have a Lumii digital ballast which I have set to 400w. I'll see what the temps are like and go to 600w if I can keep it under control.
I have just checked and temp is 29 which I like but no way I'll be able to go to 600w without air con as bot fans are going full blast. At the moment I have 4" passive from the loft, when I get back from walking the dog I'm going to connect the 4" to the passive to pull more cold air in. I would really like to get 600w over the 3 girls. I may have to get a cool tube. I read somewhere you only lose a very small percentage of lumens but would need to check.

The girls are in the kitchen at the moment on the window ledge ready to go in the pots and I could do with some advice. I took the pots in the wetroom and ran a load of ph 5.8 water through them. No additives at all. They have been draining for about an hour. The girls have been fed in the existing pots. After repotting should I give them another feed, add feed to airpots then repot or just repot as is?

The dog is hassling me to go out so will post pics when I get back in 1/2 hour. This will also give the groom temp plenty of time to stabilize.

Back soon

The Solyom
13-04-20, 05:25 PM
Groom pics
Plastic bags to catch any drips, the thermo that reads 32.8 is fucked. I dropped it in my last gro res...twice. Hydro is not for me lol
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/groom13.jpg

Fan blowing across lamp
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/groom_light.jpg

5" pulling air from light to outside tent
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/groom_5.jpg

The Solyom
13-04-20, 05:41 PM
Groom pics
Plastic bags to catch any drips, the thermo that reads 32.8 is fucked. I dropped it in my last gro res...twice. Hydro is not for me lol
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/groom13.jpg

Fan blowing across lamp
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/groom_light.jpg

5" pulling air from light to outside tent
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/groom_5.jpg

Girlie pics
The eldest @ 15 days

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-1-13-4_15_days.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-2-13-4_15_days.jpg

No.2 @ 13 days
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-1-13-4_13_days.jpg

No. 3 @ 12 days
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-1-13-4_12_days.jpg

Should I snip off the brown bits of leaves?

The Solyom
13-04-20, 05:45 PM
Forgot to add. No. 1 is in a bigger pot than the other 2. I think 2 & 3 are 3" and 1 is 4". Not that it matters as they are going into air pots some time tonight.

Mac
13-04-20, 06:07 PM
Should I snip off the brown bits of leaves?

I would personally just leave them atm, once the plants fully established they will fall off on their own usually. If not I pluck em in flower. They are Cotyledons, there to give the seed its initial boost, not designed for the long term :)

Krofam
13-04-20, 06:50 PM
well said macca!

you can cut the cannazyme for now. i only ever use it a bit during flower and after transplanting.

they are looking great. keep readings as they are. i dont go higher than 1.5ec and thats in flower so raise it slowly.

dont pot up just yet. let them grow a bit more and establish more of a root system. actually helps when transplanting later. you dont wanna take it out of the pot and have the whole root ball fall apart.

this is the longest bit.

so its on the diary, how long do you plan on vegging? whats your goal? etc..

The Solyom
14-04-20, 02:17 PM
well said macca!

you can cut the cannazyme for now. i only ever use it a bit during flower and after transplanting.

they are looking great. keep readings as they are. i dont go higher than 1.5ec and thats in flower so raise it slowly.

dont pot up just yet. let them grow a bit more and establish more of a root system. actually helps when transplanting later. you dont wanna take it out of the pot and have the whole root ball fall apart.

this is the longest bit.

so its on the diary, how long do you plan on vegging? whats your goal? etc..

If the dick head writing this had remembered to subscribe to his own diary he would have seen this post BEFORE he repotted. Too late now. Fortunately they didn't fall apart so hopefully all good. I did them about 10 am and just checked at 13.50 and they are looking sweeeeeeet.

Will it hurt for them to have the cannazyme until I've used up the food I've premixed? I hate throwing any food away!

Temps update:
I have now got the 4" fan pulling cold air from the loft and the 5" with no filter attached yet extracting. This has dropped the temps down to Groom 26C and leaves 27C with the light at 26"


how long do you plan on vegging? whats your goal? etc..

Plan, plan??? There is no plans!! You da boss man. Just tell me when to flip and it will be done. I have no weed and my man is struggling to find any cos of the lockdown so sooner rather than later.

I'm hoping to start some autos in the other groom in the next coupla weeks but having a few problems getting materials. I went on B&Qs website the other day and was in a queue behind over 78,000 others. That's not a typo, 78,000 before I can even check stock! ffs, people start fucking and save the diy for another day!

My goal is to get enough weed to see me through until the autos are finished and then rinse and repeat. I have 3 x Auto seeds, 5 x OG kush seeds, another 2 Gelato and 3 Stardawg seeds from the Blackskull comp. I might do the Stardawg before the autos as Blackskull were decent enough to give them away on the condition there is a diary.

Here they are in the autopots, Pepsi challenge entry also in there!

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/new_homes.jpg

Thanks for your help buddy, I feel this is going to go much better than my last train wreck of a grow. Coco forever!
Forgot to mention, unless you tell me to go 18/6 I'll just keep them on 24. Easier lol

Mac
14-04-20, 02:30 PM
They all look like they are loving life, healthy and outstretched leaves sucking up the light :)

Now you just need to be patient while the roots do their thing in the new pots. May look like nothings growing for a while but panic not,once the roots get where they need to be ... the top soon catches up. Then you will REALLY love coco ;)

Krofam
14-04-20, 03:23 PM
zyme is ok at this stage. just no changes for a week now so they recoup.

remember, zymme and rhizo at half strength.

i personaly like to use the whole batch on the same day. avoids having to readjust ph. so i mix 10ltrs at a time early on and 20 during flower. i chuck out any left over.
i also like to give it a good mix to get loads oxygen in as i water. stirring in one direction fast and quickly reversing the spin.

24/0 for now it is then.

a 3-4 week veg on these using a 600w could yield you around 2-3oz per plant if conditions are ideal. maybe more depending on genetics.
i would suggest 4-5week veg to alow for better training and achieve as much lateral growth as possible. this will give you a move even canopy and a shorter one too. the longer the veg the more you can fill the canopy and a full canopy under a 600w at say .75gpw, thats 450g.
food for thought

The Solyom
14-04-20, 06:12 PM
450g would easy see me through until the next grow is done. Shit, 250g would do it. They are all 2 weeks old now. I potted them a bit deeper so there wasn't as much stem showing, they were a bit spindly. I also gave put some Mykos around the roots to get them roots running around in the coco. Top shit that stuff. The Pepsi challenge plant has caught up in height and is growing at an amazing rate.

I potted some flower seedlings today and am doing a side by side comparison. 3 with Mykos and 3 without. It will be interesting to watch them grow. I'm going to start a thread tomorrow and put a link in my sig if anyone is interested in seeing how it pans out.

The Solyom
15-04-20, 01:16 PM
All good in da hood.

The girls don't seem to have been at all bothered by being repotted. They all got lush green colour and looking super healthy. When do you think they should be topped?

Krofam
15-04-20, 05:10 PM
lets see how they do in the next few days. but i would say another week or so at least until you start thinking about topping.
for now keep everything as it is.

make not of what time you feed. you want to lline this up with when your lights come on when in flower. give or take an hour or 2. feed soon after lights on and again halfway through cycle.

if you mix up 10ltrs you can feed them 1 ltrs each first. maybe 1.5 and do again 6hours later to use up the remaining nutes. you want a good run off, 30-40%, and when they are bigger this will require moe feed to double up and make 20ltrs. feeding 2-3ltrs when lights on and again 6hrs later.
feed evenly across the top of the medium. check out the youtube vid on how airpot roots grow, they have an animation that shows it. you dont get a root ball. instead its like a network of outgrowing fibres. increasing surface area used to take up nutes.

watch when you take the pots apart at the end. ull be amazed

The Solyom
17-04-20, 09:38 AM
lets see how they do in the next few days. but i would say another week or so at least until you start thinking about topping.
for now keep everything as it is.

make not of what time you feed. you want to lline this up with when your lights come on when in flower. give or take an hour or 2. feed soon after lights on and again halfway through cycle.

if you mix up 10ltrs you can feed them 1 ltrs each first. maybe 1.5 and do again 6hours later to use up the remaining nutes. you want a good run off, 30-40%, and when they are bigger this will require moe feed to double up and make 20ltrs. feeding 2-3ltrs when lights on and again 6hrs later.
feed evenly across the top of the medium. check out the youtube vid on how airpot roots grow, they have an animation that shows it. you dont get a root ball. instead its like a network of outgrowing fibres. increasing surface area used to take up nutes.

watch when you take the pots apart at the end. ull be amazed

If anyone else want to wath the vid Krofam was talking about here's the link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGT8FjzqTOc

The temp under the plants has somehow risen to 35 so I've raised the light a few inches. Room temp is only 27C.
They are all looking good, I think the are slightly less green than before but that may be my imagination. I have a cheap garden ph/moisture/light tester I got from pound shop. Useless for anything except moisture. Today they are pretty dry so going to feed them with same strength etc.

Following Krofams advice they will each get 1 to 1.5L [email protected] [email protected]. I'm going to keep the ec the same until told otherwise.

On a side note, the Pepsi challenge plant has gone crazy. I think it is about a week or 10 days younger than the Gelatos' and the leaves are almost the same size.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-17-4.jpg

The Solyom
17-04-20, 12:54 PM
The girls are fed and watered. It took 2l feed to get any runoff so they must have needed it. Just so I got this right in my dumb head. 2l feed = 600ml runoff @ 30%
They don't look any paler, in fact they look lush.

I don't understand the temp rise. This is the coldest day for the last week so wtf would be heating the tent up? :confused: Anyways, to every problem there is a solution :D

I just ordered one of these:
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5120/medium/hood3.jpg

I also ordered a Swift Air Fan Speed And Temperature Controller
Temp problem fixed and hopefully can push the light up to 600w from 400w. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Having checked the dates, the girls will be 3 weeks from seed on Mon to weds. The Pepsi challenge popped on the 6th so 11 days today.

Mac
17-04-20, 01:02 PM
Your runoff maths is correct :D Girls are looking lovely :)

Where are you exhausting the tent air to? Into the same room? if so that could be causing your temperature raise as eventually the room warms up and you start sucking that air back into the tent.

Krofam
17-04-20, 02:34 PM
coming along nicely!

as macca asked, where are you venting from/to?

The Solyom
17-04-20, 03:31 PM
i got a 4" fan pulling into the tent from the loft amd it is cool/cold up there. Then a 5" fan pulling from the tent into my living room so not same room. The tent is in the bedroom with the window open and is quite cold all the time. The air coming out the 5" is not even warm, I had to put a pullover on as my place I keep the heating down. I even checked I had the fans the correct way round earlier even though I knew I didn't. I got an oscillatiing fan blowing between the light and the plants and a ram clip on also blowing at the light.
I've raised the light to 30" from top of canopies and this has got temp down to 29.5 at canopy level. Bizarre thing is there is no leaf curl from the heat and they all look fine. Fucked if I know!

Mac
18-04-20, 05:00 AM
Bizarre thing is there is no leaf curl from the heat and they all look fine. Fucked if I know!

With LED canopy level temps are generally 2-3 degrees higher than your leaf surface temperature due to the lack of UV light in LED.

Each strain handles heat differently and modern LEDs are starting to supplement UV but for your light generally there will be a temperature offset.
Keep your airflow moving to eliminate hot spots and bringing in fresh air and the heat wont be an issue.
You can supplement your feed with silicon to combat heat if you wish, will affect your ph, if you use it add to your water before your other nutes :) makes for some meaty stems too :)

Theres a thread somewhere from last summer with peoples groom temps, some of em are eye watering at 40+ celcius!! Heat itself isnt so much of a problem when you think where most of these strains originate from they are some hot ass countries :D
Its when you combine the other factors it becomes an issue such as poor airflow, humidity etc. Keep your air moving and fresh and you wont have too many issues

The Solyom
18-04-20, 08:53 AM
They are under 400w hps now and by raising the light I have got the temps to 27/28 so all good for the time being. The LED is only 150w so not enough for 3 plants in the long run. When the hood arrives next week I'm hopng to move up to a 600w. Cheers for the info though macca mate.

Krofam
18-04-20, 10:59 PM
i think the problem may be your extractor fan. seems its not pulling the air out fast enough. what is its rating?

i would have the 4inch vent into the room itself from the atic and have the 5inch extract either outside or to you living room as you say. having the 5inch only on the tent give it more of a negative pressure. this can also cool down air as it comes in.

from my experience, a good extraction setup raises has temps 5c above ambient.

the plants are still small so lift the light up a bit for now.

as have lights on 24/7, you could just open up another vent on the tent. and when you switch to flower, have lights on during the night.

i say leave the 400 in for now. maybe we can see about getting a 600w in there for flower if temps allow.

The Solyom
19-04-20, 08:02 AM
4" is pulling from loft to tent. 5" is pulling from tent to living room. Temp is now a cool 26C.
The girls now have 5 finger leaves, whoop!
No. 1 has some yellow spots on 2 of the leaves, strangely on 2 opposite each other. I think I may have splashed her when feeding. Would you agree mate?
They seem to still have plenty of moisture at the mo so going to leave them for now, will check again this evening.

Pics:
leaf spots on plant 1.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/leaf_on.jpg

No.1 in all her glory

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-19-4.jpg

No. 2

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-19-4.jpg

No.3

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-19-4.jpg

Looking good so far boss. You da man!

The Solyom
19-04-20, 07:54 PM
Just did the evening checkup. The other plants and more leaves are starting to show the yellow/brown spots so def not splashes of feed. What to do??

I think they are damp enough until tommorow so no feeding.

Krofam
19-04-20, 08:44 PM
must be the heat. feed tomorrow and we'll see how she does. remember shes still recovering from transplant too.

The Solyom
20-04-20, 07:45 AM
must be the heat. feed tomorrow and we'll see how she does. remember shes still recovering from transplant too.

I just did the am check and the plants don't seem to be any worse today. Temps are now good at 26.5C canopy level. No. 1 is now 4 weeks old. The other 2 a couple of days younger.

I have the landlord coming to replace my shower today between 8-12 so will post pics and feed after they have been. Once again, thanks for watching my back mate. Saves me from panicking at every minor problem.

The Solyom
21-04-20, 06:57 PM
OK, didn't get round to posting pics yesterday cos 1) guys were here longer and 2) had a long chat with Captain Morgan!

All good in da hood. New hood arrived and I fitted it today. I've got the 5" blowing through the hood and out the tent. I've turned off the 4" intake to see how it goes. I have also connected the fan temp controller and set it to 28. It is supposed to kick in full power when it gets to 2 degrees above that.

Question regarding the controller. What's the point of the fan speed setting? I assume the fan will kick in at full power when temps rise so I have set the fan speed very low. Is this correct? I should say that the contoller has 2 knobs, 1 for fan speed and 1 for temps.

The girls have all joined me in the living room for an hour or so whilst I check out the groom temps. They got fed yesterday and are looking lush, lush lush. They are starting to smell. Not in the groom but if I touch the leaves then yea baby, we on the way.

Fed em A&B @ 0.8, and as you said Kofam mate I dropped the Rhizo out. PH was perfect at 5.8. Only thing. Out of interest I checked the runoff. PH was about 5.7 (honestly I forget but was so close to 5.8 didn't register) The ec however was 2.5 :omg::shocked::jawdrop: If my memory serves me right they are drinking more water than eating nutes. Is that right? They all look lovely so I'm not concerned until you tell me to shit meself lol

I took a few pics while they were out of the tent.

No. 1
The first pic was yesterday, all the rest today.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-20-4.jpg

Top view

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-21-4T.jpg

Girlie 2

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-21-4_T.jpg
gremlins got the side on view!!!

and last but not least, girlie 3

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-21-4S.jpg
Gremilns nicked the top view of this one as well.

I have to say they all look much bigger in real life. They are nearly as tall as a pint glass.

Krofam
21-04-20, 09:08 PM
look at them beauts!!
i say, they are recovering quite well.

if using the fan speed controller you want to have a passive intake unless you match the intake and outtake fans power and have a dual fan speed controller.
get yourself some acoustic ducting for you hood and also other ducting you may use. its more air and light tight. you dont want you hood fan sucking out the funk.

i have a controller built into my fan and set temp to 28 for full power and the min is what it runs on normally. i found if i went below 60% the fan would hum a bit. 70% seems optimal for me as it eliminates the hum and keeps negative pressure with good air exchange rate. this also keeps my canopy temp around 5c above outside room temp.
fiddle about with it. start at 60 and go up in 5s after seeing what temps are like in comparison to where the air is coming from.

as for the runoff.. dont worry too much for now. i have never checked mine. i just make sure i feed consistently. by feeding twice a day, you are essentially flushing. reseting any reading back to what the feed is. not allowing time for fluctuations to go .4 +/-

the way they look and that 5.7 reading tells me she has plenty of food.

tell me what your mixing to achieve your feed. how much water, a+b, ph etc..

The Solyom
22-04-20, 07:51 AM
6l water so they get 2l each mixed to 0.8 with A&B. Nothing else added 'cept a bit of ph down.I don't know how much feed it is cos I made a very strong batch of nutes up and add that to the ph'd water. I also keep 2L of ph'd water separately so if the mix gets too strong I just add the water to get it back to 0.8. I make it up the day before and in the morning I add an air stone for a bit of extra O2.
I have only been feeding them once a day in the morning as the coco is still damp in the evening. Should I feed them anyway?

I only have passive intake now. I've disconnected the 4" fan. Temps are good at 27C. I have the 5" blowing through the hood then out the tent. It's doing an excellent job. The speed is set to 50%.

I need to do a bit of maintenance on the tent as I've noticed a few places where light is showing through. Mainly around the zips. I'm not very impressed with the lighthouse lite but the problems may have been caused by the previous owner when he took it apart. He is a really clumsy man.

They are all 4 weeks old now. How long do you reckon until the flip?

GEORGE
22-04-20, 01:54 PM
6l water so they get 2l each mixed to 0.8 with A&B. Nothing else added 'cept a bit of ph down.I don't know how much feed it is cos I made a very strong batch of nutes up and add that to the ph'd water. I also keep 2L of ph'd water separately so if the mix gets too strong I just add the water to get it back to 0.8. I make it up the day before and in the morning I add an air stone for a bit of extra O2.
I have only been feeding them once a day in the morning as the coco is still damp in the evening. Should I feed them anyway?

I only have passive intake now. I've disconnected the 4" fan. Temps are good at 27C. I have the 5" blowing through the hood then out the tent. It's doing an excellent job. The speed is set to 50%.

I need to do a bit of maintenance on the tent as I've noticed a few places where light is showing through. Mainly around the zips. I'm not very impressed with the lighthouse lite but the problems may have been caused by the previous owner when he took it apart. He is a really clumsy man.

They are all 4 weeks old now. How long do you reckon until the flip?

I don't see A picture? If it is those from yesterday, they need to go A long way before flip, if you want lots of buds.

Krofam
22-04-20, 02:44 PM
as hotshot said. a while yet.

mark day 1 of veg, say, 4-5 days after you moved them to airpots. 4-5 daysis the recover time.
thats makes it what?

as for your tent. never use a used one. epsecialy one thats had to be reassembled. unless they done it properly.

i started off with 1 1.2x1.2mt budbox tent. then upgraded to 2. doubling up on all equipment. then one of my extractors stopped working and i daisy chained the 2 tents to run off 1 extractor, a 5 inch. and it worked well untill crop was done. grew some of my biggest colas that time.

i then upgraded only the tent, to a 1.2x2.4 budbox. and i have to say, the new bud boxes and amazing. poles so thick i can hang from them. has a viewning port too for checking on plants in dark.

the tent being sucked in was a bit of a prob, thts with a 5inch extractor too. so what i done is i bought some connectors that fir the new size tubing and usng poles from old tent, i created a frame around the middle of the tent giving it even more structural support.
ill look for a pic or 2 to show u what it was llike..

now tent is packed away and im using a room with a slightly bigger area but full cieling height. now ill have to dial in the extractor again as this room handles heat way better.

see how they do on 50%. if heat goes up a bitm up it by 5-10% at a time.

get your self some gorrila tape and it to all the seams and corners..

my trent was is its own room and the room was always in dark so no light leaks was poss.

The Solyom
23-04-20, 02:00 PM
Quick update:

Fed em 4L of A&B ph @5.8 and [email protected]. I did mean to do 0.8 but forgot to check ec of water. Today it was back down to 0.3 so total ec is 1.2

Plant heights:
No.1 is 18cm tall
No.2 is 16cm
No.3 is 18cm

No. 3 surprised me as she is 2 days younger than No.1. No.2 is a day younger than No.1. They all look lush and happy.

1

[URL="https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-23-4.jpg"]

2 & 3

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/23-4x1-2.jpg

The Solyom
23-04-20, 02:49 PM
as hotshot said. a while yet.

mark day 1 of veg, say, 4-5 days after you moved them to airpots. 4-5 daysis the recover time.
thats makes it what?

as for your tent. never use a used one. epsecialy one thats had to be reassembled. unless they done it properly.

i started off with 1 1.2x1.2mt budbox tent. then upgraded to 2. doubling up on all equipment. then one of my extractors stopped working and i daisy chained the 2 tents to run off 1 extractor, a 5 inch. and it worked well untill crop was done. grew some of my biggest colas that time.

i then upgraded only the tent, to a 1.2x2.4 budbox. and i have to say, the new bud boxes and amazing. poles so thick i can hang from them. has a viewning port too for checking on plants in dark.

the tent being sucked in was a bit of a prob, thts with a 5inch extractor too. so what i done is i bought some connectors that fir the new size tubing and usng poles from old tent, i created a frame around the middle of the tent giving it even more structural support.
ill look for a pic or 2 to show u what it was llike..

now tent is packed away and im using a room with a slightly bigger area but full cieling height. now ill have to dial in the extractor again as this room handles heat way better.

see how they do on 50%. if heat goes up a bitm up it by 5-10% at a time.

get your self some gorrila tape and it to all the seams and corners..

my trent was is its own room and the room was always in dark so no light leaks was poss.

Just checked back through the thread, They were potted on the 14th. Which means they are about 5 days in veg. ffs the goalposts keep moving. I thought vegging started when the seed popped and went into coco. :banghead::banghead::banghead: So I basically got another 3 months before cutting.

Such a beautiful day to be totally pissed off. New mantra. It's better than 4 months.

Duct taped all the seams, fucking tape is coming off. I am not having a good day.

Krofam
23-04-20, 04:39 PM
why remove the tape?

3 months is pretty average. some would say minimum. they will stretch soon enough. youll be surprised.

and also you potted up a bit early into big pot. no worries tho. come smoke time you wont be bothered. defo worth the time.
how many nodes we at on each?

wait, you saying your ec is 1.2 total, 0.9+0.3tap?
you want a total ec of 0.8 not combined.

are you planing on taking a clone from each and keep the best one depending on phenos you get?

The Solyom
23-04-20, 04:50 PM
why remove the tape?

3 months is pretty average. some would say minimum. they will stretch soon enough. youll be surprised.

and also you potted up a bit early into big pot. no worries tho. come smoke time you wont be bothered. defo worth the time.
how many nodes we at on each?

wait, you saying your ec is 1.2 total, 0.9+0.3tap?
you want a total ec of 0.8 not combined.

are you planing on taking a clone from each and keep the best one depending on phenos you get?

I'm not removing the tape, it is just not sticking well and peeling off. I tried no more nails and contact adhesive before this. Nothing seems to stay on for long. Contact adhesive seems the best so if it does come of I''ll glue black and white or thick black bin bags everywhere.

The ec has been like that for a over a week and the plants seem to be loving it. If it aint broke don't fix it lol.

I have only been feeding once a day in the morning as the coco is always still damp in the evenings. Should I be doing twice a day anyway to flusk out the salts?

The Solyom
23-04-20, 04:52 PM
Should I be doing twice a day anyway to flusk out the salts?


Similar to flushing but applies to coconut husks :laugh:

Krofam
23-04-20, 05:48 PM
soon you can move to twice a day. let the roots seek out nutes and grow. biig roots big plant. more so with airpots and coco.

reduce the overall ec to 1.0. at this stage its what it needs.

soon youll be able to top and start feeding twice a day. you dont need high ec in coco. especialy when you have dripper or feed multiple times a day. getting fresh air and fresh set nute mix. alowing no time for fluctuations.

if your were feeding once every other day, like in soil, it has time to eat through the higher ec used.

so how many node are the ladies on?

The Solyom
23-04-20, 06:02 PM
soon you can move to twice a day. let the roots seek out nutes and grow. biig roots big plant. more so with airpots and coco.

reduce the overall ec to 1.0. at this stage its what it needs.

soon youll be able to top and start feeding twice a day. you dont need high ec in coco. especialy when you have dripper or feed multiple times a day. getting fresh air and fresh set nute mix. alowing no time for fluctuations.

if your were feeding once every other day, like in soil, it has time to eat through the higher ec used.

so how many node are the ladies on?

next feed ec @1.0 A&B only. Wait for you to tell me when to feed twice a day.
Nodes = 4

So much easier than DWC. Even easier when you got a Krofam by your side :)

Krofam
23-04-20, 09:25 PM
have the cotyledon shed from the stem yet?

one thing you can do for now actually is gently snip off the first set of leafs, being the damaged ones, and the biggest top ones blocking light to lower shoots. we need these to grow out a bit. or at least try tuck them down a bit.

soon as you see about 5mm stem between the 5th and 6th nodes you can top it there. take

i hope your keeping notes of each plants development.
i always note time it took to grow certain height. how they react to topping. how long from 12/12 flip do they stat to flower.

i also note time it takes to flower to varying degrees of trych development on the mothers i used to have all from reg bar dna's lemon og kush. one of the few feminized seeds ive seen that can handle abuse and not hermmie. the pheno i had did anyway.

but yeah. might not seem like its worth it but believe when i say it is.

for 1, imagine having a strain you love and being able to flower it at 3 trych development stages based on your needs.

The Solyom
26-04-20, 02:11 PM
have the cotyledon shed from the stem yet?

one thing you can do for now actually is gently snip off the first set of leafs, being the damaged ones, and the biggest top ones blocking light to lower shoots. we need these to grow out a bit. or at least try tuck them down a bit.

soon as you see about 5mm stem between the 5th and 6th nodes you can top it there. take

i hope your keeping notes of each plants development.
i always note time it took to grow certain height. how they react to topping. how long from 12/12 flip do they stat to flower.

i also note time it takes to flower to varying degrees of trych development on the mothers i used to have all from reg bar dna's lemon og kush. one of the few feminized seeds ive seen that can handle abuse and not hermmie. the pheno i had did anyway.

but yeah. might not seem like its worth it but believe when i say it is.

for 1, imagine having a strain you love and being able to flower it at 3 trych development stages based on your needs.

For some reason I didn't get a notification for your post. Nothing dropped off yet.

Fed this morning no. 1 had 4L. 2 & 3 had 5L. EC 1 A&B only. Plenty run off. I didn't feed em yesterday as pots were still prettty damp. This morning the leaves on all 3 were pretty droopy but a lush colour. They were thirsty.
Heights
No. 1 24cm. Grown 6cm in 3 days
No. 2 22cm. Same 6cm
No. 3 25cm Jumps into the lead with 7cm. And she's the youngest.

Now got 6 nodes. 5 & 6 are very close so will top tomorrow. Will also remove lowest leaves and try for some gentle training.

With regards to the clones I'm not sure where I could keep them. I've pretty much used all available space in my place. It's only a small studio. I might be able to section off a part of the new groom when it's finished. B&Q back open so might be able to get plasterboard delivered soon. Still an hour queue to get on their website. Wickes aint got none.
What light would you recommend for 1 or 2 mother plants? I'll probably make a small cab to put in the new groom. Any advice on sizes?

Going to order a 5" filter tomorrow. Should be here just in time. Do I need to get anything else at the moment? Also going to get more A & B.

All the duct tape fell off so I've used Evo stick contact adhesive to stick the duct tape on. Fucking joke.

Pics. They all look pretty much the same so only a side shot of No. 1

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-4-1S.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-4-1T.jpg

No. 2. Colour is actually same as No. 1s. My shit editing skills

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-4-2.jpg

No. 3

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-4-3.jpg

All deep green colour.

Should I remove these 6 leaves.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-4-1S_marked1.jpg

RASTA
26-04-20, 03:57 PM
These are coming along nicely solyom. Good job lads [emoji41]

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The Solyom
26-04-20, 04:23 PM
These are coming along nicely solyom. Good job lads [emoji41]

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Yea. I'd love to take the credit but lets get real lol

RASTA
26-04-20, 04:29 PM
Yea. I'd love to take the credit but lets get real lolWell, its a team game this mentoring a guess lol. Its going sweet m8

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The Solyom
26-04-20, 06:39 PM
What do you want to be when grow up?
I want to be a mentor.
Son? Why do you want to be a Mentor?
So anyone can do it.

Krofam
26-04-20, 07:58 PM
What do you want to be when grow up?
I want to be a mentor.
Son? Why do you want to be a Mentor?
So anyone can do it.

knowledge is power. teach a man to fish and all that..

for my mums i used 2 t5 bulbs side by side. nothing big. mainly for propagation hence why i use 2. these are enough for seeds, clones and mothers.
i kept my mums small. the time i had them in there and had to get them ready for a grow was plenty to get good lengths for clones. also the light makes it so the stems are really thin and long. perfect for cloning imo.
the keep them small, when they get big. you make a new mum with a clone. this is also a good way to keep genetics going.

or instead of mums if u keep just 21 strain,you could just clone your plant before flower, ideally when you lollipop, and those clones will be your next go.

its loong trying to manage 2 diff grow areas. multiple areas are good only if set up as follows. mum/clone room/cab, veg tent/room and a flower room come dry room. and as you plants flower your already vegging so soon as they dry your straight into flower. your grow time then becomes flowering time+ dry time.

light wise. stick to 400 for veg and we will see if a 600 can be used for flower seeing what temps are like.

you can start feeding twice as soon as you top tomorrow. on the lights on mark and about 6hours later. they will really start growing when you do all that. mix enough the first time to water the 2nd. just make sure to recheck ph levels before your feed 2nd time.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-4-1S_marked1.jpg

lets start with the 2 lower marks. remove them both and their opposites too.

far left and far right are same node. remove these too

middle left is your first node, this and its opposite can be removed and are perfect for clones. i usually keep these till i harvest and can tell which are worth keeping.

middle right is your 2nd node. this is long enough to start training sideways. do this with its opposite too.

do this with all. keeping them as similar as possible.

also. remove the biggest fans too. 2 biggest on each 2moro and 2 next biggest day after. we can light to reach that 2nd node which just became the first and is growing sideways.
as the above nodes grow more in length. do the same to them.

nodes 2 3 4 and 5 now become you 10 main branches growing outwards like a web. and their side branches will become uniform colas. loads of them. not massive, but i like that about them because i get better airflow and res chance of rot.

chugging along nicely

The Solyom
27-04-20, 01:44 PM
Fed 4L each cept No.3 who took 5L 1.0 ec total ph 5.9. Had to raise the light a bit.
Topped, trimmed and in bondage. Topping was no problem.
Not sure if I did no. 1 correctly but 2 and 3 were much easier. No. 3 had much bigger stems than the other 2.

The pic of No. 1 was shit so I'll get another at a later date.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2852.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3625.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/all_31.jpg

I think I got the numbers back to front. The large stem is No. 3

Thanks for the detailed description mate, much appreciated.

Krofam
27-04-20, 02:58 PM
lovely job mate.

remove the biggest fan leaves in pais at a time. i see a few big ones there blocking light

The Solyom
27-04-20, 03:17 PM
lovely job mate.

remove the biggest fan leaves in pais at a time. i see a few big ones there blocking light

Will do that in the morning :D

The Solyom
28-04-20, 11:58 AM
I've removed a few fan leaves from them. Haven't fed today as they are all still pretty damp.
They have all got some degree of discolouring, No.1 the worst. It's only on a small number of leaves. The light is 25" above canopy and temps are good at 26C

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1_leaf.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2_leaf.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Fan_leaves.jpg

The Solyom
28-04-20, 12:18 PM
Just checked the ph meter and it was out so yesterday they got ph 5.5 feed.

Krofam
28-04-20, 01:46 PM
Just checked the ph meter and it was out so yesterday they got ph 5.5 feed.

thats fine.

whats your runoff ec saying? is it going up or down?

as long as discolouration isnt on new growth its fine. for now it just looks lke the older damaged ones are just aging


also. whats your rh at canopy level?

The Solyom
28-04-20, 03:48 PM
thats fine.

whats your runoff ec saying? is it going up or down?

as long as discolouration isnt on new growth its fine. for now it just looks lke the older damaged ones are just aging


also. whats your rh at canopy level?

I haven't measured runoff since you said you don't bother.

The temps are steady @ 26.6C and rh is 52%.
I hope the filter I ordered turns up soon. They be getting smelly!

What length are your T5s mate? How much space do you have for the 2 mums. Got any pics of the mums setup? B&Q back open so can get building again lol

The Solyom
29-04-20, 01:06 PM
Removed a couple more fan leaves and tidied up a bit.

Fed them last night, no feed today as all seem damp enough.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/29-4-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/29-4-2.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/29-4-3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/oops1.jpg

heights are 30cm, 27cm and 30cm. I think No. 3 is the biggest overall.

Krofam
30-04-20, 12:23 AM
i asked just to see what its doing.

be gentle and lighlty put them down and up. if stem is too tough then press gently to soften the stem.

now do the same to the above nodes filing in the space.

each of my t5s is about 2foot long. i have the about 8 inches apart and they fit a 1foot by 2 foot cupboard with about 80cm height. hole on top bigger than hole at bottom. all passive. keeps a decent temp in there for seedlong/clones.
note if you keep them in coco, then i suggest recloning a new mum everytime. if you plan on keeping them long term, then put them in soil.

ill see if i can find some pics of them. but i think most got corrupt.

you will learn how rough you can be with them eventually. it also varies by strain.

keep up the good work

The Solyom
01-05-20, 04:22 PM
So, the good. Plants all looking good, got fed yesterday evening, same ec etc and did a little more training.
Sealed up all the light leaks.
The bad. The fucking tent zip broke, as in fell apart straight after I finished sealing the tent up! ffs. :mad::furious::banghead: My place stinks of weed. Thank fuck for lockdown. The prick I ordered the 5" filter from waited 4 days to put it in the post. Today. What is with these people. Still waiting for refund for 2 airpots and 250ml rhizo I oredered 5 weeks ago. CM_Hydro is an ignorant cnut who just ignores my messages.
Back to the good as we can't end on bad.
I've ordered one of these which will hopefully arrive Mon/tues.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/s-l16005.jpg

Krofam mate, do you think I should remove some of the upper fan leaves on the plants? The canopy is looking like a ...canopy lol

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-5-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-5-2.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-5-3.jpg

Krofam
01-05-20, 04:40 PM
for sure ,man, i was gona say to do so. remove the 2 biggest ones from top on each plant for now.

that tent looks ok. cant speak for the quality though.

looks like its build like the budbox, the new ones with thicker poles. the first one i got was those thinner poles and i got the parcel shelf for it which double up as scrog screen if needed.
love it cos those side pole make it so the neg preasure doesnt suck the tent completely in.
when i upgraded to the new budbox 12.x2.4 with thicker poles, i got some clamp things and addapted it to that. it kept the wales pretty straight.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5121/medium/20160319_082344.jpg
old 1.2x1.2 ones with the shelfs and thinner poles.


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5121/medium/20160629_071720.jpg
new 1.2x2.4 tent. u can pretty much see how it works.
the front pole i have she a bit shorter so i can easily slide to the side and remove for easy access.

your stems look nice and thick man.alls looking good. are you seeing roots come out the sides yet?

The Solyom
01-05-20, 05:27 PM
I'll sort it out tomorrow as I've got the tent doors held shut with spring clamps at the moment and black and white clamped over that! Stems are pretty thick.

The build quality on the tent should be top notch if you can believe the advert for it. They do 2 types, pro or pro +. I went for the latter as it was only a few quid more and i get a scrog net and extra bars to stop the side being pulled in. It's also a bit taller than the shite I had before at 2.35m so a bit more headroom.

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https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/gl20.jpg

Going to be fun putting this up on my own :barmy:

Krofam
01-05-20, 10:28 PM
imo.. best things about tht tent is its space booster..

thickness of poles is important too. if it leaks a bit of light get urself a large sheet thick one too and lay it over the tent

The Solyom
02-05-20, 06:46 PM
Fed and watered. 5L each same ec etc. Took 2 fan leaves off each. They all looking happy.

I'm not...again. Fucking ebay sellers. Sent tent man a message this morning and got this.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5117/medium/Untitled-41.jpg

I have looked up his business and mapped his unit address on street view. If this cnut thinks he's fucking me about over this tent I will tear his fucking roof off and shit on his stock. I am sick to death of ebay cnuts taking the piss. It's surprising what low life junkies will do for £30 when they need their food.

Krofam
02-05-20, 07:38 PM
thats a piss take mate.

for reference sake, always do the readings, age,light cycle on an update, even if no pics. makes it easier to look back a few posts rather than pages.
it will help long term too with remembering exactly what you need to do

so whats the plan now then? cant you use the smaller space for now and scrap the tent.? or use the tent for the remaining veg period and use that time to find a suitable tent?

that space booster bit is pretty neat on that one. some tents have a shelf option available which is basically that and doubles up as a divider and scrog screen if modified correctly. but essentially you want the 4 way corner connectors and 4 poles.

The Solyom
03-05-20, 10:02 AM
I'm going to give him to close of play tomorrow. luckily I paid by credit card so can get the money back much quicker than waiting for fleabays stupid policies. I like the look of this tent for the price so still want it. I spent ages looking at various models before deciding on it. He seems to be the only person selling these. I even looked on the manufacturers site as I had a feeling this might happen but they don't list this model any more and the new models are out of my price range.
At first I thought lockdown would be a blessing for growers but it is turning into a curse. I need plasterboard to finish the new room or at least more Black/white and probably more timber. B&Q aren't delivering plasterboard and I'm not standing in a 50-100 person queue.
I'll work something out. Adapt and move forward. Felt sorry for the dog yesterday. Poor thing could feel my anger and was hiding down the side of the sofa even though I wasn't making any noise!

So yesterday I fed 5L each with a good runoff. Forgot to measure how much but I can tell from pan that it was enough. I assume it doesn't have to be exactly 30%, a little over wouldn't matter would it?
ec 1.0 which is 0.7, the tap water ec is back to 0.3 now.
PH 5.8
Temp 26.6C
lights on 24hrs.
I took 2 fan leaves off each and I think they wouldn't mind if I took off more. I won't yet until told to, I'll post pics tomorrow as not much has changed. They don't seem to be growing in height much which I assume is good! The rest of them is def growing, short and bushy. I'll also try to remember to get the heights for comparison.

Krofam
03-05-20, 06:09 PM
what day of veg is it today?

The Solyom
03-05-20, 08:01 PM
what day of veg is it today?

31st March

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2_31st.jpg

13th April

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-3-13-4_15_days.jpg

17th April

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-17-4.jpg

27th

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/all_31.jpg

And really good news; I have a tracking number for the tent. Thank fuck for that.

I will post pics in the morning. i did some more lst today and removed a couple more fan leaves. No. 2 seems a bit behind the others but that's ok, she still looks lush. i also moved her into the middle of the 3 in the tent so she is now getting most light. No feed today as they all seem happy.

The Solyom
03-05-20, 08:42 PM
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5117/medium/grumpy.jpg

Krofam
03-05-20, 09:13 PM
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5117/medium/grumpy.jpg

quality!!

lets just put it down do day 1 of veg as 1st of april. they are growing quite well so seems she wasnt stunted so much.

that makes today 4 weeks and 4days. they are by now ready for the flip if you so wish it. but i would let them go a bit more and train a bit too. but i see you flipping in next week or 2.

get a lights off pic with flash if poss. wanna see the colour of them to see if you can up feed yet.

The Solyom
04-05-20, 09:40 AM
quality!!

lets just put it down do day 1 of veg as 1st of april. they are growing quite well so seems she wasnt stunted so much.

that makes today 4 weeks and 4days. they are by now ready for the flip if you so wish it. but i would let them go a bit more and train a bit too. but i see you flipping in next week or 2.

get a lights off pic with flash if poss. wanna see the colour of them to see if you can up feed yet.

The new tent should arrive tomorrow some time and then another day for me to get it set up. I'm still waiting for the 5" filter to arrive so maybe flip when I've got it all setup properly. As far as colour goes they all look lush still, I think we hit it on the button at 0.7 ec. Doesn't seem to be any change at all. I'll get some pics up this afternoon when I get them out for a feed. They seem to only need once a day or day and a half.

The Solyom
04-05-20, 12:50 PM
Fed, watered and tied.
PH 5.9
EC 0.8 as that's what it hit when I made it up. They did look a little lighter.
Temps 26.9

They all got 5L with a good runoff

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-3.jpg

Mac
04-05-20, 01:00 PM
coulda put some clothes on, can see ya bollocks in the tv reflection :D

These are looking champion fella :D lovely shape developing on no.1

The Solyom
04-05-20, 01:20 PM
coulda put some clothes on, can see ya bollocks in the tv reflection :D

These are looking champion fella :D lovely shape developing on no.1

is that bollock No. 1 lol

i did have jeans on lol

Krofam
04-05-20, 04:47 PM
ok, so total ec of 1.1 then. thats good as i was gona say up the ec now to that.
we want to be on 1.2 by the time we flip. and you want to be feeding everyday now. once is fine on the lights on set time and twice if your able to hours later.

givem some rhizo once this week and again next week. half strength is fine.

:barmy:

The Solyom
04-05-20, 05:11 PM
OK mate, twice a day it is. Rhizo @ 0.2ml/L A&B to up it to 1.1. Will do that for a couple of days and if they look good will rise to glory... I mean 1.2, getting carried away a bit :laugh:
How long before we need PK? I know not yet but will need to order some in and deliveries are getting slower.

Krofam
04-05-20, 06:52 PM
only thing id recommend using is buddhas tree pk 9-18. to start using on day 1 of flower. after the stretch.
maybe get some overdrive too for final couple weeks. but we'll get to that later.

The Solyom
05-05-20, 02:10 PM
Is the Ganja God taking the piss with me
From DHL tracking

04th May 2020 21:01 Your parcel blah blah has been collected

05th May 2020 09:17 We’re sorry but the delivery of your consignment has been delayed. Please contact your sender for further information

The sender will be the guy out of office til end of year. WTF is going on???

van just pulled up. 5" filter. Fuck

Krofam
05-05-20, 02:22 PM
seems if not for bad luck, ud have no luck at all.

might just be high volumes of deliveries. give it couple days. then id get my money back.

i know a few people who have ordered things from amazon and after it not arriving they claimed their money back and it was quick due to high volume of complaints.
2 weeks after set delivery, the items arrived. he tried contacting seller to tell them and its closed. so they got free stuff.

what you can do, is contact the driver and see what he says is going on.

done it one tike and found out the van broke down on way to me. had to wait an extra 2days..


how are the ladies doing?

The Solyom
05-05-20, 02:57 PM
The ladies are good. Ladies are always good, it's the men looking after the ladies that get frazzled :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I've never used Amazon cos of the high delivery charges, don't want prime, I got torrents. To be honest, I don't give a shit if it comes in 3-5 days time. I just really hate being told 24 hour delivery and THEN having to wait 3-5 days when I can't get hold of the seller. FFS, too many sellers using the virus as an excuse for poor service. So the shop is shut. More fucking time to post things then!

Ladies got:
ph 5.8, I've pretty much got that dialed in now. 15L water = 1ml ph down
Added 0.2ml/L Rhizo
A&B to bring it to 1.2 EC.

I was going to move it up 0.1 at a time but when I added the A&B it hit 1.2.
It's a sign from the Ganja Gods.
I have the water ready for the evening feed so I will see how they have reacted then. Any sign of stress I'll drop it back to 1.1 with a good flush.
They are still on 24-hour lighting which I have raised as necessary. They seem to be handling everything really well.

I was hoping to do pics when changing tents but alas no new tent so will do pics tomorrow morning.
I have added extra security in that to save me struggling to get into the tent I have put B&W over doors and windows. White out obviously. The back windows are not a problem as it is a playing field but the front is and nothing but old, nosy neighbours. One of them decided to announce at a coffee morning that I drink cider and smoke weed. We have spoken about what can be said and what can't. I think I made myself clear. He seemed to get it.

It's a lovely day where I am so I'm not going to let the bastards grind me down. The tent will arrive and we will survive.

Enjoy your evening talkers. As always, many thanks Krofam buddy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARt9HV9T0w8

Mac
05-05-20, 05:56 PM
Just noticed 0.2ml/L, why so low on the rhizo? Recommended amount is 4ml/L but 2ml/L gets same results at 1/2 the cost ;). It has very little impact on your EC and wont hurt your plants.

Krofam
05-05-20, 06:48 PM
rhizo at half strength towards end of veg and during a bit of the stretch if fine. in all honesty, airpots alone help with most root probs just from the structure if gives the roots.

The Solyom
06-05-20, 08:48 AM
I've read in many places that 2ml does the same job as 4ml. And like you said Macca, 1/2 the price

06th May 2020 07:34 Your parcel blah blah is out for delivery - Whoop!

The Solyom
07-05-20, 05:47 PM
The new tent arrived yesterday and I love it. I've swapped out the 12" desktop oscillating fan for a 16" oscillating pedestal. It needs a bit of adjustment as not level and a bit noisy. Putting up the tent nigh on killed me even with my mate doing most of it. Bloody hard with an oxygen tube attached to my nostrils :laugh: Also made new stands for each of the plants. It makes it much easier to shift them around. All good now 'cept my gaff stinks of weed as the plants were in the living room for the changeover.
More good news for me today, my mate just gave me some weed. Been out for ages. He was homeless and the council just put him in one of these new portacabin homes. Turns out the guy in the next one is a dealer. LMAO talk about land on your feet. Pleased for my mate, he's done me a lot of good turns the last couple of years.

Back to the plants.
They are being fed twice a day, about 9 am and again at about 6 pm.
PH 5.8 yesterday 5.9 this morning and evening.
EC is now at 1.2 and they seem to love it.
Temp today in new groom 27.7C

This new tent is going to make my life much easier. If you see the pic in a previous post the door is like a c shape rather just vertical. So much easier to remove the waste trays, no spillage! My last tent was 2M high, this is 2.35 and what a difference. Trust me ...Size matters :laugh:

I'm going 12/12 tomorrow, just going to let them run for 24 hrs in case of any problems.

Some pics. I'll get better tomorrow. I needed to sit down with a cold beer. :beerbelly:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/7-5_tent.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/7-5_1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/7-5_2.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/7-5_3.jpg

I had my 1st joint in I don't know how long. I gave up smoking a while back 'cos of my fucked lungs but today Fuck it. I am baked :bigjoint::stoned-smilie::dance2::D

If it is possible to build one of these tents upside down...I think we did. What a pair of :smiliegojerkit: In our defence, we only had a small space to try and put it together in and the "instructions" were somewhat limited. But. It does what it says on the tin so I can live with the makers label being upside down :laugh:

The Solyom
07-05-20, 07:42 PM
Next grow I'll invert the tent.

Kinda ashamed I admitted to such a dick head thing. Life begins at 40. Pah! Trust me, it doesn't get any better and my next is 60. I seem to have become the idiot old person I used to (kindly) laugh at when I was in my 20's. Dad, if you are looking down on me...chill dude, it's just weed and I am so sorry I took the piss so much. I now get it. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

The Solyom
07-05-20, 07:47 PM
Right ya pest, diary moved to mentored section, Title changed, student hat medal awarded and 1000 thanks medal awarded.

Anything else before a get back to work lol

Good luck with this one lads. Am sure yous will smash it [emoji41]

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

I somehow missed this post. Fuck, are you still opening to anything else? Plants need 2 feeds a day, grass in the garden needs cutting and don't talk to me about changing the duvet :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Krofam
07-05-20, 08:15 PM
seriously though.. you wat to get it the right way up.
main reason being all the intakes and outakes are where they are for a reason.
and u got way too much ducting in the tent.

i attach my filter to extractor fan directly, first with gorilla tape or heat tape to get a seal. then i use a wide clamp for tight and secure fit.. then from other side of extractor i put the ducting with a regular ducting clamp and i put that end of the extractor as close to the sleeve os possible so you barely see any of the ducting inside the tent. this helps with air tightness. your temps will be better for it too. and you defo want acoustic ducting eventually. as the one your using is very far from light and air tightness.

on the intake sleeve you can add a longer run of ducting for passive intake. have about 1foot of it in the tent aimed at bottom middle of tent with a few layers of tights to act as filter and light blocker.

get that 12" fan back in there and line you pots up in a triangle with the gap in middle where ur aiming the intake ducting. makes for a more even canopy.

i think tomorrow we can defoliate a little bit. start at the top and work your way down taking of 6/8 of the biggest fan leafs. we want light to penetrate the inner part now. also, widen upper branches a bit too. not too much. aim them outwards slightly.

ec stays this way for a while now.

get some birds eye and side shots after the defoliation.

The Solyom
07-05-20, 08:43 PM
OK, my poor photos.
I have 5" ducting going filter-hood-out of tent.
I have 4" ducting passively being pulled into the tent from the loft. That is the long ducting you can see in the pics. I left it long so it goes from loft to almost the floor of the tent. I've left it about 10 cm off the floor. The intake from the loft has a cooker hood filter over the ducting in the loft. Taped securely.

I'm getting acoustic ducting when I next get paid. This shit I have is...shit.
In the morning I am going to wrap the 5" outlet in pieces of the old tent as a temporary measure. The light leakage on the shit I have now is diabolical.
12/12 flip is currently postponed until I get this all sorted.


get that 12" fan back in there and line you pots up in a triangle with the gap in the middle where ur aiming the intake ducting
Will do. Pots are in a sort of triangle, the main reason I made the new stands. I was knackered today so I will tidy everything up tomorrow.


i think tomorrow we can defoliate a little bit. start at the top and work your way down taking of 6/8 of the biggest fan leafs. we want light to penetrate the inner part now. also, widen upper branches a bit too. not too much. aim them outwards slightly.

Not sure if it's the joint or 2 ciders but... I will post good pics in the morning with numbered leaves. You say cut whatever numbers :laugh:


taking of 6/8 of the biggest fan leafs LOL, no...way...mate. You can tell me which lmao. Don't let me go hacking at them. Not at this stage of the game.

The Solyom
07-05-20, 08:48 PM
I should add i made 60L feed at 5.9 and ec 1.2. This should do me for two days. I'll do pics of feed setup tomorrow, I kinda got this sorted now :toke:

Krofam
08-05-20, 07:05 AM
start off by removing any leafs still attached to main stem. these should be the biggest.

then after you spread out the canopy for the last time, remove any that are shading growth below.

mixing enough nutes for 2 days is ok once in a while. try to do it fresh every time. but vigorously stir it to create loads of bubbling to get more oxygen into the water. having it sit isnt too good. especialy if you have to reajust levels.

The Solyom
08-05-20, 10:25 AM
This is how I have my upside-down tent ducting.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Exhaust_ducting.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Passive_ducting_and_filter.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Flow1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Flow_1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Canopy_temp.jpg

I ran out of duct tape yesterday, I have ordered some Gorilla duct tape, more coco A&B and 5" all-singing, dancing ducting.

How long will I need to use Rhizo? I may need to order some more. I stopped at my local hydro store yesterday. Unfortunately he is closed due to the virus.

Taking the dog out now, so I will get some plant pics when I get back.
Spoiler alert:
They look lovely. :D

The Solyom
08-05-20, 12:08 PM
Plant 2 tied and trimmed

I got a bit scared of cutting off too much. What do you think?

Before
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Before_1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Before_2.jpg

After
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/After_1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/After_2.jpg

I've only done plant 2. I think I'll wait to see if this is ok before I do the others.

The Solyom
08-05-20, 12:11 PM
It's funny how the plant looks much better in front of me compared to those pics of after. :confused:

The Solyom
08-05-20, 01:29 PM
Buddhas tree pk 9-18 250ml ordered.

The info:


WHY CHOOSE BUDDHAS TREE PK 9-18?
Boost your harvest! Claimed up to 40% extra yield!
Excellent value for money – highly concentrated
Compatible with all irrigation systems
Improves quality of end yield
Compatible with all brands of base nutrient
Developed by world leading chemist
Highly popular flowering stimulant
Buddhas Tree PK 9-18 is an extremely effective bloom stimulant based on the tried and tested principle of providing enhanced levels of potassium and phosphorous throughout the flowering process. The effectiveness of PK boosters is something that has been well established throughout the agricultural world. PK Boosters offer the chance to drastically increase your yields, as well as the overall taste, aroma and terpene profile of the end result. Buddhas Tree PK 9-18 is the only stable formulation in this 1:2 ratio currently on the market.

Buddhas Tree are a manufacturer that specifically focuses on formulating nutrient additives used in hydroponics. Potassium and phosphor are both demanded by a flowering plant at a much higher rate than a typical base nutrient can provide. Buddhas Tree PK 9-18 ensures your plant gets exactly what it needs, exactly when it needs it, promising to boost yields by up to 40% when compared to using just base nutrients alone. A bold claim, but one that is backed up by countless hydroponic growers consistently choosing to use this as part of their permanent nutrient regime.

WHAT IT IS
At its heart, Buddhas Tree PK 9-18 is a potassium and phosphorous based additive that provides the plant with the additional elements it requires during the flowering cycle. The end game for a flower is to produce its seeds, the production of which requires much more P and K than a base nutrient can supply alone. It is formulated at a powerful ratio of 9:18 which had previously been something not possible to produce, due to the compatibility of the ingredients all in one bottle at that strength.

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HOW IT WORKS
During the flowering cycle, the plant demands a great deal more potassium and phosphorous as it is gearing up to create its seeds for the next year. In an un-pollinated plant that’s not producing any seed in the flowers, these extra elements go into producing larger, more swollen calyxes throughout all the flower sites. The phosphorus is used in the creation of the cells within the flower sites themselves, while the potassium is stored within the cells and improves the osmotic value of the plant, increasing the overall density of the flowers.

On top of allowing your plant to grow a larger number of denser flowers, essential oil and terpene production is also greatly enhanced, meaning a much more potent end product with a much greater fragrance and/or taste than you would otherwise see. In a nutshell, when you use Buddhas Tree PK 9-18, you will get a larger, stronger and more fragrant final harvest. Something every hydroponic grower surely wants to achieve

HOW TO USE
Buddhas Tree PK 9-18 is a highly concentrated formulation to be used from week 3 or 4 of flowering up until the flushing period. Always ensure to follow the growth schedule when looking for the appropriate application rates, and at the same time always look to your plant for signs of over/underfeeding. Each type of plant will have a different length of flowering period, so begin to use when it is most appropriate for your cultivar.

Buddhas Tree PK 9-18 has been specifically formulated to work alongside the full range of Buddhas Tree additives, which can be used in conjunction with any line of base nutrients you may already be using. PK 9-18 is suitable for use on any type of hydroponic substrate: soil, coir, pebbles or rockwool. It is a highly versatile and powerful plant stimulant that no garden should be without.

TIPS ON USE
Always mix your nutrients separately to the nutrient solution, so they never contact each other in their concentrated form. This can cause certain elements to react in a detrimental way and you may not see the benefits of the product as you would normally expect.

It is good practice to make use of a Calmag product both prior to, and alongside PK 9-18. Calcium and potassium are antagonists of each other, and you need to ensure the plant has adequate access to both to ensure you achieve optimal levels of growth.

The Solyom
09-05-20, 10:56 AM
i gave them a good feed today with plenty of runoff. I thought may as well to use up the nutrient mix and mix a new batch for tonight.
PH 5.7
EC 1.2 (0.9)
Temp 27.8
Humidity was about 60% but I've forgotten exactly.

Well, I've defoliated and hope I did it right. I managed to snap a branch, tied her up with a bandage.
I also tied down most of the branches on all plants ready for the flip in a couple of days. I think I read it was better to let them recover from pruning and LST before flipping.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/9-5-2-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/9-5-2-2.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/9-5-2-3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/9-5-4.jpg

GEORGE
09-05-20, 12:49 PM
:barmy:Good job you doing Solyom.:barmy:

Krofam
09-05-20, 10:41 PM
you'll only need rhizo for week or 2. if you run out dont worry about it. no need for a new bottle till next grow.
as you said, let them recover at least a few days and we will go from there. they are looking very nice though. bar the snapped branch. good job!

next time just remember that you want to gently guide the stems outwards.
also. mix nutes up in morning, use and then use again in afternoon. empty rest. mix vigorously when its left standing for a while too to get some oxygen in there. stirring one way fast the quickly reversing spin helps.

for the record, today is 5 weeks and 3days.

move the fan into the corner and make the triangle more even. for even light spread.

The Solyom
10-05-20, 10:20 AM
:barmy:Good job you doing Solyom.:barmy:

Thank you Hotshot mate, have to say I'm just the monkey. Krofam is the grinder :D

The Solyom
10-05-20, 10:44 AM
Fed the girls this morning
EC1.2
PH 5.9
Temps 27.6

The pedestal fan I can't move any further into the corner 'cos of the legs. The desktop is in the middle and oscillating under and up into the canopy. I'll need to do something with the pedestal as it is using too much space.

The snapped branch seems to have healed and the plant is not showing any signs of stress. In fact all the plants are showing no stress from the defoliation. Phew:dance2:

Can't wait for the new ducting to arrive and the flip. What hours do you guys have the lights on/off when on 12/12? I'm thinking of on from 20:00 to 8 in the morning.
I'm generally an early riser and hopefully still straight enough at 8 pm to feed them :rolleyes:

Dog out time, back later guys, have a great day.

The Solyom
11-05-20, 01:00 PM
Fed and watered
EC 1.2
PH 5.9
temp 27.8
I watched a tube video on defoliation and realised I didn't do enough yesterday, so this morning and for the final time before the flip they got another going over.

The pics
Plant 1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-11.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-21.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/1-31.jpg

Plant 2
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-11.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2-21.jpg

Plant 3
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-11.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-21.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3-31.jpg

All good in the hood :smokie:

The Solyom
11-05-20, 03:51 PM
I forgot in the previous post. 2ml/L Rhizo. I'm out now but have ordered some. I could use it for this grow or keep for next. I'll wait to see what the boss says :D

I have the light hood 13" above the canopy and they seem to love it. No signs of any stress from light, defoliation, or training. I can't believe how easy this has been in coco compared to the fuck up I had with a Brummie bubbler. Even taking into account Krofam's marvelous mentoring, I am at a loss of why everybody isn't growing in coco. I honestly can't see myself ever growing any other way.

So Krofam mate. Thanks again for pushing me into the change to coco and your continued support.

Just remembered another thing. In the process of the last trimming, I managed to snap a branch to the point I couldn't save it. So I put it in a glass of water, prepared a root riot, added a dash of Mykor to the RR. I then dipped the clone (there I said it) into some rooting powder I got from the local hydro shop and pushed the clone into it. It is now in the RR, which is in a cup, with a plastic bottle over the top to help humidity, in a corner of the new to be veg groom. There's a 150 HLG LED and a 300W cfl in there. If it survives that would be good, if it doesn't then not a problem. I wasn't planning on taking cuttings this run as I need to prepare more. As things are slowly getting better in the real world I can now get supplies easier. Mother plant space is coming! Veg room on the way. Whoop :barmy: :dance2:

Peace brothers. Thanks to all that stop by, it helps to know people are watching my back. Much appreciated.

The Solyom
12-05-20, 11:20 AM
Morning all

Today I gave the girls a good feeding. The runoff from all 3 combined was about 12 L. The ph of the runoff was 6.3 and the EC 1.1. I have no idea how useful that is but I might 1 day find out.

Fed 'em the usual.
PH 5.9
EC 1.2
temp was 26.2
RH 50%

After seeing mini skates in one of Maccajuanas I've ordered 4 of these
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5120/medium/s-l16007.jpg

3 for the Gelatos and 1 for buckets of water. Muchas gracias maccajuana .

Other news.
I ditched the idea of a clone. It didn't look well this morning so not worth the hassle. I'll wait until I got everything ready.

Mac
12-05-20, 11:59 AM
After seeing mini skates in one of Maccajuanas I've ordered 4 of these
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5120/medium/s-l16007.jpg

3 for the Gelatos and 1 for buckets of water. Muchas gracias maccajuana .




:D :D water weighs 10lbs per UK gallon, fudge carrying it :D

The Solyom
13-05-20, 11:46 AM
They seek him here they seek him there, they seek our Krofam everywhere! :rvmp::rvmp:

The girls a now getting appx 6L each to ensure a good runoff.

They all seem happy with the following.

2ml/L Rhizo upped to ec 1.2 (0.8 + base of 0.4) with Canna A&B
PH today was 5.9
Forgot to look at temps and rh. As I am still on 24hr lights it will be roughly what it was in the last post.
I ran out of Rhizo this feed. I got some coming if my man thinks it's worth it. I'll be using it on the autos anyway so need it.

No pics as they are pretty much the same.

I wish my new ducting would arrive. I'm hoping as it is insulated I will be able to get the light up to 600W. A 5" fan should be able to keep the temps down in a 1.2 x 1.2 x 2.35 tent shouldn't it? I have 4" passive intake at the moment. I'm going to either up it to 5" or add another 4". With the fan going at a good speed I'm hoping I'll still get neg pressure. We shall see.

I have an 80cm x 80cm tent arriving Friday for the autos I got on the go. Should be here Friday. That will be the veg tent when the autos are done. Then I'm going to build a clone/mum box. Happy days ahead!

Krofam
13-05-20, 11:47 PM
man, i wrote some long ass update yesterday and somehow forgot to post it.

first off.. i actually start flower with 13/11. and during last 3-4 weeks i reduced gradually to 12/12. you can do this if you like. or not.
this time of year, i have mine come on at 10pm and off at 11am. and 10am towards the end..
i find that after a hot day, by 9-10pm temps out side are at a good level for lights to come on. im south facing so this side of house stays warmer for longer. but cooler till 10-11am.
this allows me to feed just before going to bed. and again when i wake up at round 7-8am. or if im up all night. i will feed when lights come on and then again at 3-4am instead.
you want to allow enough time for top of medium to dry out a bit. not too much. but you dont want it at the point where in may cause high humidity during lights off.

those stand are ok. if they usefull for you then get them.. i would have no use for them myself.

i use 6ltr airpots. and imho, they are the best. one uses less nutes and the roots reach the outter pot quicker. meaning they start getting pruned earlier and the roots system is better established. one can go straight from root riot cubes to them and have less time for it to root out than in your pots.
its good for me cos i plan on short veg and flip. usually from clones. and dont actually need all the space your pots have.
yours are great if your doing a long veg and training them in scrog or mainline.
even in later flower i water 3ltrs at a time with 1ltr runoff on each plant.

when you replace your extractor fan. go for a 6inch for the tent. then you can use the 5inch for the hood. and if you ducting is well insulated you wont even need a filter for it.
i like the fan on the floor pointing upwards, i do this myself and its the. only place i have fans. the passive intake ducting is right next to it giving fresh air to plants and cooling lights at same time.

at this point you're ok without rhizo. but i do suggest doing less. dont worry about a clone/mum space just yet. i think this grow and your autos is manageable. especially as your still getting to grips with this method.

you done a bit too much on defoliation. at this point the only thing you should be removing is leafs. do not remove any new branches yet. you want them to grow to fill out the gaps later.
what youve actually done is what you should do after the 2 week stretch..

for now dont remove anything else and instead start moving the main branches sideways so when you look from birdseyes view you can see them all. and no branch is above another. so it kinda looks like what a spider web does..
when you flip you dont want them growing into each other. you want them to fill the gaps.

get pics up soon as you can so i can see if flipping in on the horizon

The Solyom
14-05-20, 09:21 AM
I watched a video that Hotshot posted on his diary yesterday. It would have been better if I had seen it before trimming as I found out watching it I had removed too much foliage. Stilll better this fairly minor fuck up than a complete disaster. I have to say they seem to have thrived with the trimming so not too bad. I'll post some pics today.

10pm to 11am sounds great and this is how we will proceed.

I have the desktop fan on the floor oscillating and will aim it up more when I go in to feed them. I will try to get some out of tent pics. You did say a few days back we could flip and they are getting quite big and smelly.

I now have 5 x 6L airpots. An uction popped up on fleabay and I got all 5 for £22 plus pp which I've forgotten. I'll be using them from now on. Less water carrying, less everything except bud. Happy days.

The new tent arrives today and I have a pal coming over tomorrow to help me put it up. He's going to finish the groom for me when I get the plasterboard. I will get him to build the clone cupboard, so there is little for me to do except manage :Nice:.
He loves it lol

I have been re tying the branches every other day. Today is a do day. Some of the branches are now so long I need to find a way to get the ties to the end of the branches!
I have a plan involving fencing wire.

Postie brought me 5L A&B, the buddha stuff

The Solyom
14-05-20, 09:54 AM
Jingo posted this info on another diary.

PS: If you leave your coco exposed over time you can get little salt crystals building up on the top where the the waters evaporating, those crystals can throw off your grow later on.

I had heard that before. Krofam mate what would you suggest. I have builders sand, pebbles, foil, Mylar, B&W.

Krofam
14-05-20, 10:08 AM
dont worry about it man. one of the reasons i say to water twice a day with plenty of runoff is to avoid this problem. once in a while when top of coco goes tough, i rubs it with my fingers to losen it a bit. like the top 2-3mm. but i rarely do this.

The Solyom
14-05-20, 01:27 PM
Plant 1 before training


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-1-before_training.jpg


After


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-1-2.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-1-3.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-1-1.jpg


Plant 2 trained


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-2-top_view.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-2-2.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-2-3.jpg


Plant 3 Trained


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-3-1.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-3-2.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/14-5-3-3.jpg


I think I could have removed a few lower branches. Some sites will only be popcorn.


Overall I think my training is ok considering never done it before.


They got fed 5L each as this was enough for runoff.


PH 5.7
EC 1.2
Temp was only 25.5 but the tent had been open a while.


All looking good in da hood.

The Solyom
15-05-20, 12:06 PM
As the plants are out while me and my pal sort out the insulated ducting, and fit the fan in a box with expanding foam Some pics from this morning.

Plant 1
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/15-5_Plant_1.jpg

Plant 2
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/15-5_Plant_2.jpg

Plant 3
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/15-5_Plant_3.jpg

The Solyom
15-05-20, 12:09 PM
I'm loving the shape of number 2 :Nice:

Mac
15-05-20, 12:17 PM
I'm loving the shape of number 2 :Nice:

Its gonna look like a UFC octagon cage when them tops start motoring upwards :D

Looking top notch fella, well done and of course props to Kro too giving his time and knowledge :).

Krofam
15-05-20, 05:42 PM
yeah, number 2 looks spectacular!

no more training. upwards they grow now and flip in a couple days.

made this for future ref..

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/3605/14-5-3-3_edtd_d.jpeg

this is how i like to do it.
1 and 2 is the ways in which each node can grow on each of the sideways growing branch. if it grows like no2 and one comes from the bottom of branch curling upwards (blue top), i cut it off and leave the other one(red top).
if it grows like no1, i can choose to keep both if say i only started with 2main nodes instead of 4 like you did, this helps fill the space more. but as i like to start with 4, i only keep one (red top). i repeat this for every branch.

the birds eye image shows end result. red tops being all the ones i left. and blue being the optional ones i could leave and train.

something to note. if red tops coming off the main branch start getting too big. pinch the tops in between the newest nodes to stunt growth on that specific one allowing other time to catch up. or you can just train them.

this next image show roughly what the structure will look like after harvest. at this point i was still learning myself. but you can get an idea of what to aim for for each branch.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/3824/medium/20131230_194502.jpg


at this point its a bit late but next time you can top each one of the main branches too. so it splits into 2 at the end. as you can see in above pic on the left branch. only if you have time for it to grow out a bit before flipping.

The Solyom
15-05-20, 08:04 PM
I'll keep that for future reference. Cheers fella.

Phew, busy afternoon, The insulated ducting is installed and my pal made the box for the fan. I think I may have more expanding foam up my arm than in the box. Fuck knows how I'll get it off. 5" insulated ducting is a nightmare to attach. I really, really hope I never have to do that again.

The new tent is built and in the new groom. 2 autos under the LED at the moment. I just got to add the filter tomorrow. I am way too knackered to do any more today.

I'm thinking of flipping on Monday. I want to get the tent dialed in and see if I can get 600w going. I think it will work as the tent is 2.35m tall, so more airflow. We shall see. I will have to get the plants out one more time, then that is that. No more lifting for me.

I'll update with pics in the morning. It is now cider time.

Krofam
15-05-20, 08:19 PM
i think 600 for flower is fine. with lights coming on at night i can see temps will be ok. if not, you can dim on really warm days..

monday is good. by then you will have a bit more growth so ull prob need to remove some of the biggest leafs so light can penetrate. i personally like to have some light shine on the coco itself.

waitimg on my guy to arrive and ill be cracking open a cider to go wth the fatty ima roll.:pissed::bigjoint:

The Solyom
15-05-20, 09:56 PM
On my 3rd cider now lol. You enjoy fella, have a lovely evening :pissed::bigjoint::smokie::stoned-smilie::toke::stoned-smilie::toke::joint:

Mac
16-05-20, 10:22 AM
The new tent is built and in the new groom.

Right way up this time?? :laugh::laugh:

Krofam
16-05-20, 11:24 AM
Right way up this time?? :laugh::laugh:

that is the question..

The Solyom
16-05-20, 11:28 AM
How bizarre, I just typed out a reply stating yes, we waited until it was up before getting stoned :laugh:

and feed was 1.2 @ ph 5.8. Light is 24" above the canopy and the tent is 25C. I'm going to push the light to 600w and check it after 15 mins and then again 15 later.

Krofam
16-05-20, 12:22 PM
stick the 600w in and see the temps in an hour or 2. if a bit high, switch back or dim till you go 12/12.

start at 24". you can reduce this by a further 8 inches if/when temps are good.lights spread is important too and too low can limit the area covered.
as you have the cool tube, you could go a few more inches but make sure you get plenty of light at the edges of the tent.

remember to let them grow up now. no defoliation.

you see the ope bit in the middle of the plant (looking down), depending on how it stretches, you can use this space to gently guid some bud sites there.
you may find youll be able to losen some already trained branches a bit to even out the canopy. but this will be done after stretch.

something to note. if you start topping and training at a lower node, say you keep nodes 234 or 345. at this stage it would be lower but wider with more tops. with some experience youll be able to get these to look like the diagram i drew on last page.
easier to do this with clones as one can use the first nodes of the branch to start the training instead of having to wait for 5 or 6th nodes the top and and train.

The Solyom
16-05-20, 01:04 PM
Well, Established Grower Sir :Laugh: Will add that to my notes.

The light has been on for 30 mins or so and I am very happy to report the temp was 26 in the tent with 600 glorious watts blasting fat bud light on my girlies.

I have a clip-on fan on its way to get the canopy level a bit below the tent temp. I also added a 5" length of ducting for more passive cooling. I'll probably remove the 4" if the temps stay ok, just to ensure negative pressure.

As the girls seem to have suffered no stress from my bumbling defoliation and bondage I am planning the flip tomorrow.

Do I need to change the feed or do anything else?

Krofam
16-05-20, 01:51 PM
leave it as is. let them run atleast 24hours with the 600 if your gona keep it in.

i say we have first night on monday morning. gives them a bit more time to grow upwards

The Solyom
16-05-20, 04:45 PM
leave it as is. let them run atleast 24hours with the 600 if your gona keep it in.

i say we have first night on monday morning. gives them a bit more time to grow upwards

Then it shall be so. Off 11am Monday and on 11pm. This is sooooooooooo exciting. I'm going to check the light height at next feed.

Peace bros'

The Solyom
16-05-20, 05:54 PM
For reference
The plants today are about 16" high
Light 24" above canopy
Tent temp 26.6

We have 600w. Yummy.

Krofam
17-05-20, 12:28 AM
hopefully tomorrow is a warmer day so you can get a better idea of what temps will be like when it get a bit hot..

set your timer so lights go off at 11am and on at 10pm if your doing what i do with 13/11 and then 12/12 towards the end..
if not the 10 to 10 or 11 to 11 is fine. your choice

Shreder
17-05-20, 01:04 AM
Coco? Gelato?

In for a treat. cant wait for some bud porn :)))

The Solyom
17-05-20, 07:14 AM
hopefully tomorrow is a warmer day so you can get a better idea of what temps will be like when it get a bit hot..

set your timer so lights go off at 11am and on at 10pm if your doing what i do with 13/11 and then 12/12 towards the end..
if not the 10 to 10 or 11 to 11 is fine. your choice


That's what I meant. 11 -10. I seem to have had a problem getting numbers right yesterday. I'm setting the timer up later today and will double check it!


Coco? Gelato?

In for a treat. cant wait for some bud porn :)))

Nice of you to stop by mate, always welcome. Yea, Gelato is one of my favs along with the Dawg family.Bud porn coming soon :laugh:

The Solyom
17-05-20, 02:22 PM
Day 49 since popped

I've decided to go with 12/12. off 9 am and on at 9 pm. The reason being I'm not often awake at 10 pm and feeding may be a problem. One of the many side effects of emphysema, I get tired much quicker than I used to. I'm not ready for afternoon naps just yet lol.

Fed them this morning ec 1.3 ph 5.8 with a good runoff. The canopy on each seems to have closed, I'll check it later and do pics in the morning. I'm going to leave them to get on with their magic on their own for now.

Quick question for the boss. When do we start using the buddhas tree? I could look it up but want it officially on the diary :laugh:

Krofam
17-05-20, 03:40 PM
it says to use from 2nd or 3rd week of flower. but i actully start using it on day 1 of flower. after the stretch at about .10ml per ltr
then from end of 2nd week in flower i do .25ml per ltr.
in the last 2 weeks you can up it to .50 ml per ltr up untill flush. but i do .40 sometimes .30. depending on what they ladies are saying

some may change it a bit. and i started out using it differently but after a few years this seems to work well for me.

The Solyom
17-05-20, 04:31 PM
it says to use from 2nd or 3rd week of flower. but i actully start using it on day 1 of flower. after the stretch at about .10ml per ltr
then from end of 2nd week in flower i do .25ml per ltr.
in the last 2 weeks you can up it to .50 ml per ltr up untill flush. but i do .40 sometimes .30. depending on what they ladies are saying

some may change it a bit. and i started out using it differently but after a few years this seems to work well for me.

Is that tomorrow or when we actually see flowers developing?
I'd better order some more then. I only got a small bottle.

Krofam
17-05-20, 05:43 PM
a small bottle is fine. 0.25ml pltr is 2.5ml in 10ltrs.

my small bottle lasts ages..

day 1 of flower is pretty much when they show sex. anything from 7-14days from flip to 12/12.

so 9pm to 10am light on

The Solyom
17-05-20, 08:48 PM
Fed the girls, everything the same. Putting them in darkness 9 am tomorrow. Timer is set and triple checked.

today's pics

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/17-5-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/17-5-2.jpg

The Solyom
18-05-20, 09:13 AM
A new 20 cm clip-on fan arrived just in time and is fitted blowing through the middle of plants. Still got the desktop under blowing up.

The girls have been put to sleep, c'mon the buds! :harvest: on its way

Fed em the usual
EC 1.3
PH 5.8
Temps - err forgot but safe

Plenty runoff from about 5 L each. Can't wait for next grow in 6 L pots. Getting too old for lugging 15 L twice a day.

I also put my other themo in there as I can't work out how to do the high/ low temps on the original. The room is normally about 16-18C but with the nice weather here it may be a couple of degrees above that, we shall see. If it is too low, which I doubt, I can put the exhaust into the room. If I can find the key to the window lock I'll open the other window. I have 1 open 24/7/365. I can't stand a warm bedroom.

Krofam
18-05-20, 11:27 PM
during the next couple weeks, you want to keep an eye on any tops trying to grow up and make sure no leafs are in the way. remove 2of the biggest ones per day at most if they are getting in way of emerging budsites.

gets some pics just before lights come on with flash.

The Solyom
19-05-20, 09:08 AM
Day 2 12/12

We successfully made it through the first 24 hours of 12/12 without any dramas.

They were fed this morning
EC 1.2
PH 5.8
I forgot to check the temps and the lights are off now so I will do it tonight.

I trimmed a couple of leaves of each plant, unfortunately, the pics I got don't really show that there is a smallish opening in the canopies.

Plant 1

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/19-5_P1-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/19-5_P1-2.jpg

Plant 2

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/19-5_P2-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/19-5_P2-2.jpg

Plant 3

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/19-5_P3-1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/19-5_P3-2.jpg

Should I remove all the tie downs now or leave as is to stretch?

Krofam
19-05-20, 11:07 PM
leave as is for now. in a week or so, you can adjust it all but mostly just repositioning. not much spreading out, just to make sure all tops are roughly even.

they look good man. and that stem!!

i think next time you should try topping above 3rd node. keeping the 2nd and 3rd only. have those 4 branches grow horizontally till you have about 3-4 nodes on each one. then you top those 4 mains and veg 1 more week and flip. this will get you a canopy like the one i drew out previously.

The Solyom
20-05-20, 02:26 PM
Quick update.

ec 1.2
PH 5.8
temps 20 ish lights off 29 on
and I left them alone. They all look very happy.

The Solyom
21-05-20, 09:41 AM
Day 4 12/12

They've been fed last night and this morning and are now sleeping. They have stretched by about 4" I raised the light up a couple of inches and will do the same this evening. The tips of the leaves have a tiny bit of burn, really tiny which made me adjust the light. It was only when I went back to take the lights off pic I noticed the stretch. I should have raised it higher the first time.

The ec and ph are the same as always 1.2 and 5.8 respectively. Light off temp was 25.2, light on 26.5. Happy with that, wouldn't mind the off time to be a couple of degrees lower but mustn't grumble.

I think the leaves are a little paler but I maybe me imagining it. Krofam buddy, do you think the tip burn is heat or Dec. They seem to love the ec before today. If it gets worse I'll post a pic, it was too small to get a decent pic.

Here are a few quite good pics. 2 Light on and 2 off. You can see the thickness of one stem and the other shows quite a good canopy, even if I do say myself. The rogue bud site, back, right got slightly bent to level it.

Lights on

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-002_Lon.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-003_Lon.jpg

Light off

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-001_Loff.jpg

I tried to get a horizontal shot of the canopy. This is the best I could do.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-002_Loff.jpg

GEORGE
21-05-20, 01:30 PM
Day 4 12/12

They've been fed last night and this morning and are now sleeping. They have stretched by about 4" I raised the light up a couple of inches and will do the same this evening. The tips of the leaves have a tiny bit of burn, really tiny which made me adjust the light. It was only when I went back to take the lights off pic I noticed the stretch. I should have raised it higher the first time.

The ec and ph are the same as always 1.2 and 5.8 respectively. Light off temp was 25.2, light on 26.5. Happy with that, wouldn't mind the off time to be a couple of degrees lower but mustn't grumble.

I think the leaves are a little paler but I maybe me imagining it. Krofam buddy, do you think the tip burn is heat or Dec. They seem to love the ec before today. If it gets worse I'll post a pic, it was too small to get a decent pic.

Here are a few quite good pics. 2 Light on and 2 off. You can see the thickness of one stem and the other shows quite a good canopy, even if I do say myself. The rogue bud site, back, right got slightly bent to level it.

Lights on

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-002_Lon.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-003_Lon.jpg

Light off

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-001_Loff.jpg

I tried to get a horizontal shot of the canopy. This is the best I could do.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_3_12-12-002_Loff.jpg

Filling up fast Solyom, nice dude.

The Solyom
21-05-20, 03:55 PM
Filling up fast Solyom, nice dude.

Coming from you mate, I'm welling up with pride :blush:

The Solyom
21-05-20, 09:46 PM
The girls got fed. ec 1.2 ph 5.8. Light off temp 23.4. I raised the light to about 20" I think pistils are on their way :D

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_4_pm_1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_4_pm_2.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_4_pm_3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_4_pm_4.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_4_pm_5.jpg

The Solyom
21-05-20, 10:13 PM
I forgot to add.
Can you believe my timer for the lights packed up? The off part is ok, the on part doesn't do shit. So I put the light on manually and tomorrow I'll swap out the dud with another I have. Good grief, my luck is definitely running cold at the moment. I keep telling myself, without some bad luck how would I know when I had good luck?
I also have a 600w dual spec lamp coming. Will swap out the hps if Krofam gives the ok or keep it for next grow. I thought I had better have a spare.
The lamp is a Sunmaster 600w Dual Spectrum Grow Lamp, 90000 Lumens

The Solyom
22-05-20, 11:52 AM
Day 5 12/12

The Sunmaster dual spec arrived, waiting on advice from my mentor before changing anything.

Fed this morning, all looking good, will post pics tonight or tomorrow. We might see pistols this evening, she is def trying

EC 1.2
ph 5.8

Only Canna A&B fed

The Solyom
22-05-20, 06:05 PM
Mentor... you've been absent for 3 days. How are we doing?

Krofam
22-05-20, 07:54 PM
have i?
im not one to post post. just lurk alot.lol

i have been checking in and all seems ok so not much to say. your doing a great job.

did you get a new timer?
i would leave that bulb for next grow. use the hps you got for now. and like you said, always good o have a spare.

i dont look for the pistols. i count day one of flower when i can see them just by looking from a foot or 2 away.

you could look at tops upclose and count day one from when pistols start to form. but i prefer my way.

i say atleast another 4-5days till pistols are formed.

is it me or is that side support pole not level?

The Solyom
23-05-20, 03:03 AM
have i?
im not one to post post. just lurk alot.lol

i have been checking in and all seems ok so not much to say. your doing a great job.

did you get a new timer?
i would leave that bulb for next grow. use the hps you got for now. and like you said, always good o have a spare.

i dont look for the pistols. i count day one of flower when i can see them just by looking from a foot or 2 away.

you could look at tops upclose and count day one from when pistols start to form. but i prefer my way.

i say atleast another 4-5days till pistols are formed.

is it me or is that side support pole not level?

LOL, the side support is level, the camera man was not. Wake and bake my last bit of weed. I had an early night last night so I was up a bit early. :D As I am now.
I'm liking your way so far, so pistils from 2-3 foot away is the way. I don't suppose it makes much difference, they be ready when they are ready.

I gave them another feed of 1.2 ec ph 5.8 ph dinner and spread the canopy by hand, the tops are a bit paler but the plants look really good. So good I'm wondering if I grew them!

Plant 3 is the youngest, by 2 days over plant 1 but is by far the biggest. She has a really thick trunk, I'll measure it tomorrow if I remember.

I had a spare timer that I was going to use in the new groom. As the autos are on 24hr it wasn't needed. To be honest, I could manage without one now as at 9 am and 9 pm I am clock watching, anxious to look at my babies :blush: They are back on the timer now, just in case.

I have finally remembered to tell you, I have been rotating the plants each feed, roughly 33% to even out light distribution and raised the light a couple more inches. They are too big for me to take them out of the tent, knowing what a clumsy git I have become I'm too worried about damaging them.

As you can see in the 1st pic above, the tops are a much lighter green, I assume that is normal. It does make them look very pretty though.

Krofam
23-05-20, 04:52 AM
watching paint dry isnt fun mate. they will get there eventually.lol

tops going going light in colour is normal. this happens untill stretch is over. keep feed as it is for now.

some people do it but im against rotating plants. especially when you have trained and cropped them a certain way. by changing their position you change their direction of growth.

if you have goo light coverage and air movement you never need to rotate them. when i took mine out of tent i always try put them back in same position because i trained them to fill the area.
later in flower you will find that rotating or repositioning by 1 inch will make buds get it each others way.
you could remove a few leafs and rotate only to find the growth that got light from the removed ones are now shaded by others.

good work.

The Solyom
23-05-20, 09:27 AM
watching paint dry isnt fun mate. they will get there eventually.lol

tops going going light in colour is normal. this happens untill stretch is over. keep feed as it is for now.

some people do it but im against rotating plants. especially when you have trained and cropped them a certain way. by changing their position you change their direction of growth.

if you have goo light coverage and air movement you never need to rotate them. when i took mine out of tent i always try put them back in same position because i trained them to fill the area.
later in flower you will find that rotating or repositioning by 1 inch will make buds get it each others way.
you could remove a few leafs and rotate only to find the growth that got light from the removed ones are now shaded by others.

good work.

Day 6 12/12

I'm sitting here proud as punch mate. Very nice of you to say :D

Right, no more rotation, your advice has been good up to now so I ain't changing shit!

I kept the nutes the same
ec 1.2
ph 5.8

New timer plugged in and working properly.
The temps were a bit lower at canopy height cos I had raised the light a couple of inches. 25.4C

I have now set the light at 17" above the canopy and am using the thermo as a guide.

The rail at the back was crooked, I must have knocked it last night. It's back almost straight and I have added duct tape to stop it moving again.
I'll remove a couple of leaves tonight when the light comes back on.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_6_12-12.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_6_12-12-2.jpg

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The Solyom
24-05-20, 07:50 AM
Quick update.
last night the lights went on at 9 pm as they should, then whilst I was feeding they went off. ffs, the new timer for some reason switched off. I quickly plugged the light back in and it came on, so timer fault. I then plugged the timer back in to double-check and nothing. Plugged light back in and on again. Def timer problem. The ganja god is having a right laugh with me. I took the timer to the kitchen, checked all the settings and tried it with a kitchen appliance, nothing, Then 5 minutes later it worked. For now I am going to do it manually which isn't a problem I can't handle. I will order another plug and grow when I get more funds weds. The 1st faulty timer was a plug and grow, 2nd a Pifco.

Anyway, I didn't get any pics or defoliate at all, to be honest I had the right hump and all the fast-moving panic took the wind out of me. (Emphysema)
I shouldn't have bought the new lamp, gave the ganja god a good opportunity to fuck something I didn't have a spare of. :rolleye::rvmp:

They got the normal feed ec 1.2, ph 5.8, temps were a bit lower cos it was a cold, windy day but still 22+C, should make the plants happy to cool off a bit why they were asleep.

I'm going to get in there today and defoliate a little as they are bushing up nicely, if I have the time and energy I'll get some pics, if not I'll get them tonight.

The Solyom
24-05-20, 09:26 AM
Day 7 12/12

Fed again this morning, they drank a fair bit last night, me, not a drop :D
ec 1.2 ph 5.8, got the measurements for feed dialed in perfectly now. I use an old clothes conditioner cap to measure the feed. I marked it with a bit of gorilla duct tape. Bang on every time. The ph I use a syringe and get it to within 0.1 every time. Pump it to plants, easy peezy.

I gave them a little trim, 2 or 3 leaves off each and gently pushed the canopy apart. They look lush.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_7_1.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/Day_7_2.jpg

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C'mon the pistils

Krofam
24-05-20, 04:48 PM
what timers are you using?
are you using a contactor as well? post a pic

The Solyom
24-05-20, 07:20 PM
This answers perfectly, these are the exact same timers.
https://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?157481-Do-i-need-a-contactor
Bollox, I forgot about the surge. Getting old is shit. I checked the plug and grow beforehand. The other timer was meant for the led.

I'll order another plug and grow.

Krofam
24-05-20, 08:51 PM
i knew it was that. lol

i use this

https://progrow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/04825_large.jpg

got my self 2 of them back in the day. had 2 tents and wanted 2 light cycles. now i use 1 for 2 lights. best thing is it uses only 1 plug. the 4 way and up versions use 2 plugs.

lovely bit of kit and worth every penny.

The Solyom
25-05-20, 09:29 AM
I've ordered one of these
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5145/Lumii_timer.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/200892/title/lumii-timer/cat/5145)
to go with the Lumii ballast.

Last night and this morning they got the same feed, ec 0.8 ph 5.8.
They really stretched last night, I'm guessing 2" so I raised the light and I had a hi-lo thermo at canopy level, which showed the growth.
Canopy temp was 30.5, tent about 26. I'm going to make a small stand for the desktop fan, to get it closer to the canopy. Bloody temps are the wrong way round!

I removed a few leaves to open the canopy and nudged a few out a bit. I could almost hear them laughing at me. :laugh:

A few of the lowest stems have tiny larf buds, should I remove them, also, up the lower stems a few new bud sites. They have no chance of becoming anything. Remove?

I've got the feeding time down to about 15 minutes now, feed and drain. Like everything else, it's the preparation that saves time.

I'll get pics tonight, just before lights on.

Karsa
25-05-20, 10:45 AM
When you get established, I'd recommend a lumii contactor you can get 2/4/6/8 way. They're great. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200525/fe95cdda69a1b094640be1e2390a7cb1.jpg

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The Solyom
25-05-20, 04:09 PM
When you get established, I'd recommend a lumii contactor you can get 2/4/6/8 way. They're great. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200525/fe95cdda69a1b094640be1e2390a7cb1.jpg

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Thanks for the advice, glad you stopped by :D

Karsa
25-05-20, 05:48 PM
Thanks for the advice, glad you stopped by :DOh I'm sticking round [emoji23]

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Krofam
25-05-20, 11:24 PM
dont have a fan blowing directly across the plants on high.
set it to low and let it slowly oscillate the space between the canopy and the light.

i think your heat issues are a result of too small of an extractor. idealy you want a 6inch with temp controller. could possibly get away wih a 5inch but id go for the 6 with controller.


when you flip the tent round and have intake at the bottom youll see a big diff too. as with the acoustic ducting.

youll want to have your passive intake 1 size under. or same size as outake if you can control the flow.

ive set my new room up with 8inch outake with reducer for 6inch extractor(soon to upgrade to 8inch) and an 8inch passive and filtered intake which i currently reduce from to match the 6inch and keep neg pressure.

got lots of work done today. fill upload a few pics at some point to show progress.
could even be in the new diary if i ever get it started..

pics of the undergrowth?

The Solyom
26-05-20, 08:57 AM
When you get established, I'd recommend a lumii contactor you can get 2/4/6/8 way. They're great. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200525/fe95cdda69a1b094640be1e2390a7cb1.jpg

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I was so stoned yesterday I didn't notice I have bought a Lumii contactor! It's only 1 gang but I will never need more than that.

The Solyom
26-05-20, 09:19 AM
dont have a fan blowing directly across the plants on high.
set it to low and let it slowly oscillate the space between the canopy and the light.

i think your heat issues are a result of too small of an extractor. idealy you want a 6inch with temp controller. could possibly get away wih a 5inch but id go for the 6 with controller.


when you flip the tent round and have intake at the bottom youll see a big diff too. as with the acoustic ducting.

youll want to have your passive intake 1 size under. or same size as outake if you can control the flow.

ive set my new room up with 8inch outake with reducer for 6inch extractor(soon to upgrade to 8inch) and an 8inch passive and filtered intake which i currently reduce from to match the 6inch and keep neg pressure.

got lots of work done today. fill upload a few pics at some point to show progress.
could even be in the new diary if i ever get it started..

pics of the undergrowth?

I had the fan on the floor oscillating up, under the canopy. I have made a stand for it, this raises it off the floor just over 4" Moves it closer to the light, still oscillating the same.

Fed them and removed a few leaves for light penetration, they are going crazy with growth now.

ec 1.2, ph 5.8 temps are in a pic below

Last night, lights off with flash.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/25-5-3.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/25-5-4.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/25-5-5.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-5-1.jpg

This morning, light on

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https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-5-5.jpg

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Fed 'em, 1.2 ec ph 5.8
Temps are better, 29C I've turned the temp setting lower and the fan speed up to about 80%. I'll check them again at lights off.

I had to raise the light again to maintain the same 24" height. I'm going to research the spread of the hood today, I probably should have done that earlier.
I have a 5" fan, All the 5" ducting is insulated except a short piece from filter to fan.
The passive intake is not insulated. The room it pulls air from rarely goes above 19C.

Lights off, with flash

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5260001.JPG

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I went a bit crazy with the pics today, some didn't make it :laugh:

Mac
26-05-20, 09:27 AM
Looks like a giant green mattress. I wanna roll on it. Does that make me weird??[emoji1787]

The Solyom
26-05-20, 09:39 AM
Looks like a giant green mattress. I wanna roll on it. Does that make me weird??[emoji1787]

Not in my book, I removed a few fan leaves last night and put them in my pillowcase :laugh::barmy:

The Solyom
26-05-20, 09:42 AM
I should mention, the plant at the back is about 4" shorter than the other 2. I moved it to get it under the light as best I could. I might have to stand it on something. I'm going to wait for my mentor's advice.

Krofam
26-05-20, 12:30 PM
looking great my man!

and earlier i actually meant to type that in general,you want the passive intake to have at least the same area as the out take and max of 2 times the area. which, depends on you base temps and how quickly you want the air moved.

as your using a coolled hood, youll be ok using same size or 1 size down.

you want neg pressure and good airflow but you dont want the tent being sucked in so much.
when its hot in there, try opening one of the vents just a bit. or even open the zip a couple inches and ull see how airflow goes up, temp and neg pressure go down.
you adjust the intake size till you find the sweet spot like with the example of the zip.

try 5 out with 6 in and see what neg pressure is like. but im seeing youll only be able to check after this grow is done and you flip tent. cos having a 6inch acoustic duct come from top of tent to get to bottom is ideal.

The Solyom
26-05-20, 02:44 PM
looking great my man!

and earlier i actually meant to type that in general,you want the passive intake to have at least the same area as the out take and max of 2 times the area. which, depends on you base temps and how quickly you want the air moved.

as your using a coolled hood, youll be ok using same size or 1 size down.

you want neg pressure and good airflow but you dont want the tent being sucked in so much.
when its hot in there, try opening one of the vents just a bit. or even open the zip a couple inches and ull see how airflow goes up, temp and neg pressure go down.
you adjust the intake size till you find the sweet spot like with the example of the zip.

try 5 out with 6 in and see what neg pressure is like. but im seeing youll only be able to check after this grow is done and you flip tent. cos having a 6inch acoustic duct come from top of tent to get to bottom is ideal.

The tent seems to be pulled in and then released. Inhale/exhale. I'm going to ditch the 4" and just have the 5", that might help. The 4" is too long really but I can't get to it to shorten it. I'll sort it at lights on.

The Solyom
28-05-20, 11:03 AM
I fed the girls the normal last night and this morning. ec 1.2 ph 5.8. I didn't take any pics last night. I took a load this morning. When I went to remove the memory card, problem. Dopey, stone head me, forgot to put the card in the camera. I'll get pics tonight.

They all look lovely and lush

The Solyom
28-05-20, 09:56 PM
I put the card in the camera. Yey!

Fed the same, 1.2 ec ph 5.8. I am now shit hot at mixing food. I'm going to do a post on how I do it. This morning, for tonight's feed, I hit 5.8 and 1.2, both 1st time. You old-timers can giggle. For a noob, it is an achievement :D

Krofam dude, it is getting busy in there. plant 3, the youngest by 2 days, is much bigger than 1, the oldest. Plant 2 is trailing a little behind the others.

I can't take off 2 leaves from each plant, it would make no difference. They would laugh at me! The pictures don't really show how much canopy is there, and the under growth is pretty big. I hope the pics give you an idea.

bad angle for perspective but I hope you can see, the thermo was at the top of the leaves, the night before last.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/52800031.JPG

The thermo was above the plants day b 4 yesterday

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/52800011.JPG

C'mon you bastard pistols :D

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5260004.JPG

I raised the light, which raised the thermo. I think I have it set at 24"

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5260002.JPG

Then squeeze in the Pepsi challenge. Mine has been likened to a palm tree! lmao. Thing is, it does look like that. :D

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5260001.JPG

This pic doesn't do it justice. It looks much bigger than this. I will try to remember to get my calipers out tomorrow. (Stop sniggering Johnny)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/26-5-4.jpg

Peace

Krofam
29-05-20, 07:29 AM
remove 4-6 from each. youll be ok..

as for the lower growth. we will try and get as much stretch into it as possible. when 2 weeks into flower we will determine which ones to remove depending on the space they take up and the light they get.

keep as many tops as possible. when time come take pics and ill tell you which.

have pistils formed yet?

The Solyom
29-05-20, 09:48 AM
Day 12 0f 12/12

No pistils yet mate, I'll remove a few leaves tonight, they are sleeping now.

Fed them 1.2 ec 5.8
Temp at canopy 32, tent temp at the same height but at the side of the tent 25.6
They are looking pretty spectacular in there :D The temp isn't bothering them at all so no point in worrying.

I ordered a lux meter yesterday, Dr. Meter LX1330B, just shy of £38. That should take some of the guess work out.

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Krofam
29-05-20, 07:07 PM
honestly. i dont bother with lux meters. unless your gona be reviewing alot of light fxturs, there is no point.
as a general rule, if i use hps i replace the bulb every 2 grows. i use a mh for veg which i replace every grow as this bulb spend 24/7 on.

the height from canopy all depends on ambient temp and what the plants tell you.

so long as air movement in there is good its ok..

also. dont overthink things. i used to do this myself when it came to grows but ive learned not to.
remember, your are learning. once uve mastered these basics, you can start thinking about adjusting things and making additions.

The Solyom
29-05-20, 07:59 PM
honestly. i dont bother with lux meters. unless your gona be reviewing alot of light fxturs, there is no point.
as a general rule, if i use hps i replace the bulb every 2 grows. i use a mh for veg which i replace every grow as this bulb spend 24/7 on.

the height from canopy all depends on ambient temp and what the plants tell you.

so long as air movement in there is good its ok..

also. dont overthink things. i used to do this myself when it came to grows but ive learned not to.
remember, your are learning. once uve mastered these basics, you can start thinking about adjusting things and making additions.

Trust me, I'm not overthinking. The meter is more to feed my hunger for information. I had a plan to grow succulents, mainly cactus, under led, with the purpose of selling at my local car boot. Then came Covid 19. So I grew weed instead :D
I have many reasons for a meter, weed is just one of them.
After this grow and depending on yield, I plan to evaluate how much I need to grow to become independent. As I mentioned before, my living arrangements are high risk for growing. I only plan to grow what I need, be it autos' or phenos. Any extra space I have will be for veg/succulents. If the people want to check my, leccy meter/water temp, whatever, I can show them; "cactus" :laugh:

I have a backup plan if the timing is critical. I am pretty ocd about security. No smell-no tell. Only 2 people know about my grow. You & my pal. And he is solid.

Karsa
30-05-20, 02:43 AM
Trust me, I'm not overthinking. The meter is more to feed my hunger for information. I had a plan to grow succulents, mainly cactus, under led, with the purpose of selling at my local car boot. Then came Covid 19. So I grew weed instead :D
I have many reasons for a meter, weed is just one of them.
After this grow and depending on yield, I plan to evaluate how much I need to grow to become independent. As I mentioned before, my living arrangements are high risk for growing. I only plan to grow what I need, be it autos' or phenos. Any extra space I have will be for veg/succulents. If the people want to check my, leccy meter/water temp, whatever, I can show them; "cactus" [emoji23]

I have a backup plan if the timing is critical. I am pretty ocd about security. No smell-no tell. Only 2 people know about my grow. You & my pal. And he is solid.

I thought that once... Lost a crop cause he let it slip at a party so I ditched the lot before harvest as I couldn't safely do anything else...
Also don't forget the more you grow the better your yields will be as your techniques will improve and your groom more dialled in.

Lovely little grow going on bud, Krofam is definitely looking after you ^^
Definitely gonna stick around :D

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The Solyom
30-05-20, 09:26 AM
I thought that once... Lost a crop cause he let it slip at a party so I ditched the lot before harvest as I couldn't safely do anything else...
Also don't forget the more you grow the better your yields will be as your techniques will improve and your groom more dialled in.

Lovely little grow going on bud, Krofam is definitely looking after you ^^
Definitely gonna stick around :D

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My man has many, many years of keeping his mouth shut. I will admit the reason only 2 people know is, I trust people starting at 0% going up to 10%. Mostly. It seems that over the years, people have liked to gossip more and more. Fucking Coronation st and Eastenders take the blame imo. Anyone who watches soaps automatically starts on -10% :laugh:

Krofam is mate :D. This whole grow is due to his advice, airpots, coco etc. Changing to coco is, well, a game changer. So easy, I love it!

Karsa
30-05-20, 09:49 AM
My man has many, many years of keeping his mouth shut. I will admit the reason only 2 people know is, I trust people starting at 0% going up to 10%. Mostly. It seems that over the years, people have liked to gossip more and more. Fucking Coronation st and Eastenders take the blame imo. Anyone who watches soaps automatically starts on -10% [emoji23]

Krofam is mate :D. This whole grow is due to his advice, airpots, coco etc. Changing to coco is, well, a game changer. So easy, I love it!I love coco but definitely noticed a difference between growth on the same strains when auto feeding vs manual.... Latter is smaller xD

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The Solyom
30-05-20, 09:49 AM
Last night and today, same feed
1.2 ec - ph 5.8

I removed a few leaves last night and again this morning. No signs of any stress. Plant 3, the youngest, is a clear winner when it comes to size. If I can just remember to take my calipers in the tent, I'll get trunk sizes.

Only the one pic, plant 3, top bud, pistils just about showing. The other 2 plants are just teasing me. :D No probs, I can wait...barely :laugh:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5300002.JPG

Krofam
30-05-20, 10:16 AM
too late to get a lights off pic? if not now, then later just before lights come back on.

i think we may be able to call call it day day 1 of flower tomorrow.

The Solyom
31-05-20, 09:49 AM
Day 14 of 12/12

Fed the girls last night ec 1.2 ph 5.8, I think the stretching has stopped. Photos below

This morning, I fed them ec 1.3 ph 5.9, That's what the mix came out at and I didn't want to mess about for 0.1.

I don't think the pistils are showing enough to call it day 1, what do you think mukka?

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5300001.JPG

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GEORGE
31-05-20, 10:54 AM
Day 14 of 12/12

Fed the girls last night ec 1.2 ph 5.8, I think the stretching has stopped. Photos below

This morning, I fed them ec 1.3 ph 5.9, That's what the mix came out at and I didn't want to mess about for 0.1.

I don't think the pistils are showing enough to call it day 1, what do you think mukka?

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5300001.JPG

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:girl:Pretty Pretty Pretty girls.:bear::swing::nice:

Krofam
31-05-20, 11:28 AM
lets givem another day or 2 then.

looking healthy!

The Solyom
31-05-20, 12:01 PM
:girl:Pretty Pretty Pretty girls.:bear::swing::nice:

Thanks Hotspot, they're going to get much prettier soon!


lets givem another day or 2 then.

looking healthy!

I agree mate, would love to be counting days but it's up to the girls :D

The Solyom
31-05-20, 10:21 PM
Same feed and ph. The stretching has definitely stopped.
Is it normal for the plants tops to be lighter shades of green? As Hotshot said, they are very pretty. They appear to be beaming :stoned-smilie::laugh:

I removed 5 or 6 of the leaves on every plant, those blocking light, and then noticed a snapped stem. I've taped it so hopefully, she will repair herself. These plants have been pretty resilient. I like them and would definitely grow them again.

Only a couple of pics, not much has changed.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/53100011.JPG

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/53100021.JPG

The 2 buds, centre bottom are my Pepsi challenge.

Krofam
01-06-20, 04:06 AM
yes mate, these lighter tops are normal. nothing to worry about.

at this stage, keep an eye on that branch at the break point. may just be easier to remove it. you want it to put all energies into making flowers not healing iteself.
get a pic up later, before lights go off.

they have a nice height to them. great progress so far!

The Solyom
02-06-20, 06:55 AM
Day 16 of 12/12

I think we could call this day 1 mate. Below are 2 pics from yesterday morning, the rest from last night.

I thought I'd made a small post yesterday but apparently not.

yesterday morning they got ec 1.3, up a bit. ph 5.8
Last night back to the normal of ec 1.2 ec 5.8. rh was up at 50.4%

I might be running out of height. When I boxed the fan, I should have moved it to the side. I didn't and now the light is hitting it. 'm going to get in there today and see if there is anything I can do. My problems will be getting the plants out in 1 piece, and the weight of tf the boxed fan. It may be too much to do on my own. The tent is 2.35 and I would need to stand on a chair or something. I've just remembered I have a new fridge freezer being delivered. I may have to put plans off until tomorrow. Not worth the risk.

Pics.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/6010003.JPG

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The Solyom
03-06-20, 05:39 PM
Day 17 of 12/12 Day 2 flower

Feeds stayed the same
ec 1.2 ph 5.8 rh 50-58%

Removed more fan leaves for better penetration (vicar :laugh:) and had a bit of a tidy up. I've left the light where it is, as the plants have stretched they are getting more light. They aren't showing any signs of burn or heat stress.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/11424.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2856.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3628.jpg

All looking good :D

Mac
03-06-20, 06:31 PM
welcome to the jungle!!! looking good fella :D

Karsa
03-06-20, 07:24 PM
Looking good mukka

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Krofam
04-06-20, 05:24 AM
oooosh!!!

you can for get the day of 12/12.
just go by day of flower now. but note how long it took to start flowering incase you keep a mum. or do the same seeds again.
obv seeds wont be the same but they will be similar.

i found that after few months. the mum and its clones would start flower in 7-9 days when switching to 12/12. down nearly 5 days from its first go from seed.

Squaggy
05-06-20, 02:52 AM
Nice grow, rammed in there :cool:

The Solyom
05-06-20, 09:51 AM
Day 5 flower


welcome to the jungle!!! looking good fella :D

Cheers Mac, it is getting busy in there.


Looking good mukka

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Thx mate, I'm nicking your chopsick idea!


oooosh!!!

you can for get the day of 12/12.
just go by day of flower now. but note how long it took to start flowering incase you keep a mum. or do the same seeds again.
obv seeds wont be the same but they will be similar.

i found that after few months. the mum and its clones would start flower in 7-9 days when switching to 12/12. down nearly 5 days from its first go from seed.

Being added to my notes file.


Nice grow, rammed in there :cool:

It actually looks more rammed than it is, but it is pretty busy.
I love your avatar by the way. I loved the book, wasn't so keen on the film. :D

The feed has stayed the same, 1.2 ec and ph 5.8 and I forgot to look at rh.

This morning I removed quite a few leaves, I didn't touch them yesterday other than to feed. Most were ready to fall off, these were mainly at the bottom. I also removed a few from the top for air and light benefit.

I have the light about 16-18 inches above them. It has been the same for a few days and they seem to be loving it

My CF card reader broke yesterday so I couldn't get the pics off the DSLR. These were taken with my Amazon fire. I've ordered a new reader. I might use my phone until it arrives as the fire is a pain.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/l111.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/l31.jpg

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The Solyom
06-06-20, 09:45 AM
Day 6 flower

As Krofam said, "If it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any".

last night my nice, new Lumii timer decided not to turn the lights on. Tesco have taken £30 for fuel I didn't buy, and this morning my kettle emptied the water I filled it with, straight out the bottom and onto the floor. :laugh::laugh::laugh: I gotta laugh.

And all notifications from here have stopped except pm's. I even created a new email account, still nothing. I don't get them through the control panel either. Some really fucking mean Gremlin is having a proper giggle at my expense :laugh:

On inspection of the timer, the little pin to set the time by 9 am, dropped out. I couldn't make it up. Another on the way.

Last night I took lights off pics and every one of them was really blurry except this beauty.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/11426.jpg

Kept the feed the same, they seem happy. They are still stretching a bit, so I gave them a little training. Temps are good at 26.6 with 50% rh ec 1.2 ph 5.8

I realised this morning that the phone camera takes the shot a second or so after it starts the flash. These pics are better.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2857.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3629.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/4492.jpg

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Krofam
06-06-20, 09:53 AM
looking great man!

as for timer... i did say get yourself one of the ones i got. got 2 years ago and still using 1 with other as spare or when i want 2 cycles. defo worth it. those small timer cant handle the high load too long.
it may say it can handle 1000w but it wont. not a hps anyway. i think it will be fine with an led panel of high rating though.

The Solyom
06-06-20, 10:26 AM
looking great man!

as for timer... i did say get yourself one of the ones i got. got 2 years ago and still using 1 with other as spare or when i want 2 cycles. defo worth it. those small timer cant handle the high load too long.
it may say it can handle 1000w but it wont. not a hps anyway. i think it will be fine with an led panel of high rating though.

I had already ordered it before I had seen your advice. Cost is also a factor. The timer is a Lumii ffs, I am plugging a digital Lumii ballast into it ffs. I always thought Lumii were a good company?

Krofam
06-06-20, 10:28 AM
if you can, return it. manually switch for now and save for the one i mentioned.

otherwise youll see yourself spending twice as much by the time the grow is done

riot
07-06-20, 02:18 AM
Day 6 flower

As Krofam said, "If it wasn't for bad luck I wouldn't have any".

last night my nice, new Lumii timer decided not to turn the lights on. Tesco have taken £30 for fuel I didn't buy, and this morning my kettle emptied the water I filled it with, straight out the bottom and onto the floor. :laugh::laugh::laugh: I gotta laugh.

And all notifications from here have stopped except pm's. I even created a new email account, still nothing. I don't get them through the control panel either. Some really fucking mean Gremlin is having a proper giggle at my expense :laugh:

On inspection of the timer, the little pin to set the time by 9 am, dropped out. I couldn't make it up. Another on the way.

Last night I took lights off pics and every one of them was really blurry except this beauty.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/11426.jpg

Kept the feed the same, they seem happy. They are still stretching a bit, so I gave them a little training. Temps are good at 26.6 with 50% rh ec 1.2 ph 5.8

I realised this morning that the phone camera takes the shot a second or so after it starts the flash. These pics are better.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2857.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3629.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/4492.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5445.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/7332.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/6366.jpg

Looking great!

The Solyom
07-06-20, 08:03 AM
Looking great!

Cheers fella, I'm feeling pretty pleased with them :D

Krofam
07-06-20, 08:51 AM
not long now man!!

im pretty much done with my new groom. ran it for last 24hrs and even with this cold, temps are 18c at its lowest.

i think ill be popping beans in next few days.

got 1 bit of light leak at the door but ill have lights on 24/7 for veg so i can sort this minor problem out later.

im well chuffed. done alot and all on my own. hardest bit was getting the beams in placefor the partition.
its good a temp door and frame for now. and a good one at that. mdae from bits of wood laying around and a doors i found. i will be upgrading end of year to a flush ariser door with hidden hinges. when installed it is air and light tight. they ae custom made and cost 400quid but worth it.

off to do some clearing up and decide which beans to pop

The Solyom
07-06-20, 09:55 AM
not long now man!!

im pretty much done with my new groom. ran it for last 24hrs and even with this cold, temps are 18c at its lowest.

i think ill be popping beans in next few days.

got 1 bit of light leak at the door but ill have lights on 24/7 for veg so i can sort this minor problem out later.

im well chuffed. done alot and all on my own. hardest bit was getting the beams in placefor the partition.
its good a temp door and frame for now. and a good one at that. mdae from bits of wood laying around and a doors i found. i will be upgrading end of year to a flush ariser door with hidden hinges. when installed it is air and light tight. they ae custom made and cost 400quid but worth it.

off to do some clearing up and decide which beans to pop

Tell me about doing beams on your own. I feel your pain as I did mine on my own. I'm going to take it all down and redesign it sometime. The tent in it is ok for now. Well done mate, get them beans soaking, I'm looking forward to the diary :D

The Solyom
07-06-20, 10:10 AM
Day 7

Same feed as always. ec 1.2 ph 5.8 A&B only

Removed a couple of leaves that were falling off or looked a bit like they were dying.

They are looking sweeeeeeeeet! :harvest::harvest::harvest::weed::joint::smokie::s toned-smilie:

Light on this morning

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Light off this morning

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Mac
07-06-20, 01:11 PM
My favourite mattress of green just keeps getting deeper and more inviting [emoji108][emoji108]

Top work fella, what phone ya got? If it's a newer Samsung for the close up shots, get close and tap the image on the screen. It will light the flash for a sec while it focuses where you tapped. Then hold still and take ya pic and it will snap with a short exposure high depth of field shot for some great looking pics. [emoji16]

The Solyom
09-06-20, 09:25 AM
Day 9 flower

Sorry about the lack of updates, been a bit busy with other stuff and to be honest you haven't missed much! I think I did write an update but it seems to have disappeared...or I forgot to actually post it. Fucking gremlins again I expect.

I've kept everything the same, ec 1.2 (0.4 + 0.8) A&B only, ph 5.8, temps have been about 26 and rh 50% with lights on. They are getting about 4 litres each which gives a good runoff. Solyom whispers "They are all looking beautiful with no signs of any problems", hoping the gremlins aren't listening!

I did a bit of reading up on gelato as a strain. They should be ready to chop in 8-9 weeks with 9 weeks being better for taste and potency. 9 weeks it is then lol.

Is it ok to keep defoliating the larger fan leaves. I have been but today just removed a tiny budsite that was broken. Good riddance tadpole, this is whale territory!

The pics

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/11429.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2860.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3632.jpg

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Krofam
09-06-20, 09:47 AM
looking good man.

yeah you can still remove a few here and there. at this stage, focus on ones that block light to budsites.

The Solyom
09-06-20, 12:14 PM
Fuck me. I typed out a long post this morning and somehow didn't post it. It seems I did it 2 days ago as well. The new Crafty vape is causing me some posting problems :laugh:

So, here most of it is again.

The girls are looking good, no signs of any problems, so any Gremlins can just fuck off now.

I've kept the feed the same, just A&B to ec 1.2 (0.4 base - 0.8 nutes) PH 5.8, temps about 26 and rh 50 lights on. I'll try to remember to check light off rh.

I measured the trunk of No. 3 a couple of weeks ago but kept forgetting to post the size. It was 33mm at the base. I'll try and get it again tonight.

I have been removing a few leaves every day, should I continue? As fast as I clear a light path the bitches fill it again.

They are getting 4L each and this gives a good runoff. They seem to be happy with everything at present. Just the way we like it.

The pics from this morning.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/11429.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2860.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/3632.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/5448.jpg

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Krofam
09-06-20, 03:01 PM
spot on man. keep doing as your doing.

im all setup by the way. finally.lol

Mac
11-06-20, 05:50 AM
Thicc stems :D

The Solyom
11-06-20, 11:50 AM
Day 11 12/12

All good in da hood. The buds are developing quickly now. I moved the light up an inch or so, the buggers are still growing up. They were all praying to the lamp though.

EC 1.2 and ph 5.8. Light off rh was 62% which is a bit worrying. I might have to put another fan in there.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2861.jpg

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RASTA
11-06-20, 01:03 PM
Lovely colour to them soly. Sweet job lads [emoji41]

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Krofam
11-06-20, 01:39 PM
no fan.
you want to increase the air exchange rate. if you cant increase out-take then increase intake a bit while maintaining a negative pressure.

and its day 11 of flower... lol

in a few more days, when colas are more pronounced, we will be doing a final big defoliation. but in the mean time you can take a few leaves out.

when cloning, people trim the tips of the leaves on the clones so it doesnt perspire as much. you could try that on some and remove others.

1.2ec seems like a sweet spot for all 3.
we can put to 1.3 in mid flower.

Karsa
11-06-20, 06:40 PM
no fan.
you want to increase the air exchange rate. if you cant increase out-take then increase intake a bit while maintaining a negative pressure.

and its day 11 of flower... lol

in a few more days, when colas are more pronounced, we will be doing a final big defoliation. but in the mean time you can take a few leaves out.

when cloning, people trim the tips of the leaves on the clones so it doesnt perspire as much. you could try that on some and remove others.

1.2ec seems like a sweet spot for all 3.
we can put to 1.3 in mid flower.I also clip the ends of some leaves to bring the RH down during flower as I never had a dehumidifier before xD it works. But you can over do it.

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The Solyom
12-06-20, 10:14 AM
no fan.
you want to increase the air exchange rate. if you cant increase out-take then increase intake a bit while maintaining a negative pressure.

and its day 11 of flower... lol

in a few more days, when colas are more pronounced, we will be doing a final big defoliation. but in the mean time you can take a few leaves out.

when cloning, people trim the tips of the leaves on the clones so it doesnt perspire as much. you could try that on some and remove others.

1.2ec seems like a sweet spot for all 3.
we can put to 1.3 in mid flower.

Cheers RASTA, good of you to stop by :D

The Solyom
12-06-20, 10:25 AM
Lovely colour to them soly. Sweet job lads [emoji41]

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I meant this post here

Cheers RASTA, good to have you stop by :D

The Solyom
12-06-20, 10:26 AM
no fan.
you want to increase the air exchange rate. if you cant increase out-take then increase intake a bit while maintaining a negative pressure.

and its day 11 of flower... lol

in a few more days, when colas are more pronounced, we will be doing a final big defoliation. but in the mean time you can take a few leaves out.

when cloning, people trim the tips of the leaves on the clones so it doesnt perspire as much. you could try that on some and remove others.

1.2ec seems like a sweet spot for all 3.
we can put to 1.3 in mid flower.

OK mate, light is off now so will have a go this evening.

I fed them all this morning, same 1.2ec 5.8 ph. I removed maybe 7 leaves and moved the plants apart a bit for better airflow. I have the 5" fan maxed out now so more passive intake will be added tonight.

They really do need a good trim now so good news to hear that day is coming.

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The Solyom
12-06-20, 10:28 AM
I also clip the ends of some leaves to bring the RH down during flower as I never had a dehumidifier before xD it works. But you can over do it.

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I'm going to try defoliation 1st and check the following day. Thanks for the warning, I really, really don't want to bugger this up now!

Karsa
12-06-20, 11:06 AM
I'm going to try defoliation 1st and check the following day. Thanks for the warning, I really, really don't want to bugger this up now!You won't, you're being wel liked after, I wish my first few grows looked as clean as this heh

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Krofam
12-06-20, 01:57 PM
did you check out the diffuseair?


You won't, you're being wel liked after, I wish my first few grows looked as clean as this heh

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you will get there buddy. i learned most of what i know from here, so you're in the right place!

Karsa
12-06-20, 02:48 PM
did you check out the diffuseair?



you will get there buddy. i learned most of what i know from here, so you're in the right place!I never do bad, but always room to improve.... I've yet to just let them alone and do it simple in soil xD

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The Solyom
12-06-20, 02:54 PM
Yes mate I did, they do do them for a 1.2x1.2 tent but it's not so effective. I think I'll just upgrade to a 6" fan with a better designed tent. I'll get the fan outside the tent somehow.

I finally measured the thickness of the trunks for anyone interested. I also forgot to post it. So, here are the sizes

Plant 1 - The oldest by 2 days - 30mm a little above the coco.
Plant 2 - 1 day younger - 25mm
Plant 3 - the youngest by another day, but the largest by quite a margin, 33.5mm

Strange but true. I'll see if I can get some pics before defoliation and after, time permitting.

Krofam
12-06-20, 03:19 PM
I never do bad, but always room to improve.... I've yet to just let them alone and do it simple in soil xD

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done a soild grow once outdoors. vegged for nearly 6months.
i was in portugal at the time for almost a year and when i got back i went straight into learning with waterfarms as my first indoor grow. done a few more grows with it and moved onto coco. no more looking back!
you considered coco?


Yes mate I did, they do do them for a 1.2x1.2 tent but it's not so effective. I think I'll just upgrade to a 6" fan with a better designed tent. I'll get the fan outside the tent somehow.

I finally measured the thickness of the trunks for anyone interested. I also forgot to post it. So, here are the sizes

Plant 1 - The oldest by 2 days - 30mm a little above the coco.
Plant 2 - 1 day younger - 25mm
Plant 3 - the youngest by another day, but the largest by quite a margin, 33.5mm

Strange but true. I'll see if I can get some pics before defoliation and after, time permitting.

yeah, no good for a 1.2x1.2. defo go for a 6inch primaklima one. they got built in temp control.

ill look through my pics later and see if i can get one of how i sent up my tent back wheni had a 1.2x.12.

we will go over all that when we finish this grow and your ready to upgrade. may not always be a mentor but i can always share the knowledge i have.

genetics are funny like that. ive had small plants pull more weight that some double their size. thats why i always wait a little bit before getting rid of what looks bad/mutated.

gota say, they are looking bloody healthy!!
awesome student!

Karsa
12-06-20, 03:22 PM
done a soild grow once outdoors. vegged for nearly 6months.
i was in portugal at the time for almost a year and when i got back i went straight into learning with waterfarms as my first indoor grow. done a few more grows with it and moved onto coco. no more looking back!
you considered coco?



yeah, no good for a 1.2x1.2. defo go for a 6inch primaklima one. they got built in temp control.

ill look through my pics later and see if i can get one of how i sent up my tent back wheni had a 1.2x.12.

we will go over all that when we finish this grow and your ready to upgrade. may not always be a mentor but i can always share the knowledge i have.

genetics are funny like that. ive had small plants pull more weight that some double their size. thats why i always wait a little bit before getting rid of what looks bad/mutated.

gota say, they are looking bloody healthy!!
awesome student!I've only ever done coco cap, first grow diary here was 3-4years back and hell I was seriously noob back then still got a good result. I like the hands on but definitely miss having auto feed setup so sorting that for next with a rhizo drain system and getting the dripper back out, hand feeding once- twice a day is shit...

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Krofam
12-06-20, 03:35 PM
i love to hand feed. then it drains into the rhizo stands i have and into food containers on floor.
gona upgrade next grow and lift them off the ground a bit so i can link them all to drain into 1 bucket.

i may have a go at auto feeding but will do it different. instead of making big batch of nutes to sit in tank for a day or 2.

i hand feed twice a day at the momment and if i was to add dripers, i would do it so i make a mix as id usualy do for a feed, usualy 2ltrper plant. then id adjust flow so it feeds at the same rate as i would by hand, maybe a bit slower. then drippers off untill i need to feed again a few hours later. then i repeat.
emptying the res everytime and cleaning it out.

if this works well i may feed it upto 3 times a day when in flower. just dont want to have them runing 24/7. i like the medium drain properly before lights go out.

still thinking on it tough so we will see wagwan

The Solyom
13-06-20, 09:39 AM
Day 13

To start I should have a couple of things noted.
I calibrate my ph pen with ph 7 buffer every 2-3 days. It is rarely more than 0.1 out.

I left my hygrometer in the living room and bedroom (where the tent is) Both gave a reading of 64% which is the same as in the tent this morning. Fingers crossed guys as I can't afford anything for a couple of weeks. I might have to hire a dehumidifier.

I added another 4" passive intake although I can't see this helping other than temps maybe, which aren't a problem anyway.

The feed and ph are the same 1.2 and 5.8.

I removed quite a few fan leaves last night and again this morning, hopefully that will help during lights off.

Pics from last night before defoliation.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/11433.jpg

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/12252.jpg

Pics from this morning after.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/2864.jpg

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https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/24116.jpg

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https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/5124/medium/25105.jpg

Looking at those pics on screen they seem to have a lot more leaves than there is. It must be something to do with the angle of shot.

I can't wait to get rid of all the crap stuff lower down, although a lot has already gone through breakage or trimming weeks back.

When do you start Buddhas mate? I think I read week 3 to flush, or maybe week 2 lol

Karsa
13-06-20, 10:53 AM
Defoilation will help bring your RH down looking real nice though bud

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Krofam
13-06-20, 11:07 AM
Day 13

To start I should have a couple of things noted.
I calibrate my ph pen with ph 7 buffer every 2-3 days. It is rarely more than 0.1 out.

I left my hygrometer in the living room and bedroom (where the tent is) Both gave a reading of 64% which is the same as in the tent this morning. Fingers crossed guys as I can't afford anything for a couple of weeks. I might have to hire a dehumidifier.

I added another 4" passive intake although I can't see this helping other than temps maybe, which aren't a problem anyway.

The feed and ph are the same 1.2 and 5.8.

I removed quite a few fan leaves last night and again this morning, hopefully that will help during lights off.


Looking at those pics on screen they seem to have a lot more leaves than there is. It must be something to do with the angle of shot.

I can't wait to get rid of all the crap stuff lower down, although a lot has already gone through breakage or trimming weeks back.

When do you start Buddhas mate? I think I read week 3 to flush, or maybe week 2 lol


so what ph is your tap water?
you get to the point where you wont even use the pen anymore. got 3 dried out ones i stopped using.lol

you see, when i was in tent. i would have inake come from room the tent is in and then i would heat,cool or dehumidify the air in room before it goes into tent. drawing in from the loft doesnt allow for this.
i would place the out of the dehumidifier almost next to the ducting. so it sucks that air in first.

more air is always good. are you still getting neg pressure with 2 intakes?

slow down on the defoliation a bit now until you schwazz them.


so, onto buddhas tree...

i like to start in at 0.1ml per ltr or 1ml per 10ltrs as soon as day 1 of flower hits. then i up to 2ml per 10ltrs on the start of week 3. then, from start of week 5, i up it again to 4ml per 10ltrs.
i stay slightly bellow recommendations out of preference. it seems to work for me..
now, you can try this when you more established so take note of it..

you can start it after tomorrow on day 1 of week 3 @ 2ml per 10ltrs till start of week 5 where you will up it to 4ml per 10ltrs until flush.

it will defo raise you ec so the first time you make nute mix with it, add the BT first, then check EC and add a+b to bring to level you want. do this every time you introduce or increase BT.
when you introduce the BT, on start of week 3, you can also raise the ec to 1.3 and hold it there until beginning of week 5 where you up the BT to 4ml per 10ltr. in turn raising you ec to 1.4.

shake bottle very well before use!

are all your plants similar in terms of phenotypes? colour etc..

The Solyom
13-06-20, 11:34 AM
so what ph is your tap water?
7.3 ec 0.3 or 0.4, it fluctuates.


i would have inake come from room the tent is in and then i would heat,cool or dehumidify the air in room before it goes into tent. drawing in from the loft doesnt allow for this.

Mine is coming from the same room. I changed it from the loft when installing the new tent.

I'm still getting very good neg pressure.

I place the hygrometer at the end of the exhaust ducting, outside the tent. It reads 64% rh and 24C. The room the tent is in is also 64%

I have found a couple of 2nd hand dehumidifiers on eBay for about £50. 10L and 12.5L. To hire the prices start at about £45 +vat a week. Lunacy.

I have a small payment going into my account Mon/Tues, just enough to cover one and I can collect it.

Buddha starts tomorrow then, tonight nutes already made up. No slacking here boss :D

Mac
13-06-20, 01:58 PM
When you recalibrate your pen, you should do it to two points for accuracy, 7.0 & 4.0 generally as that's the range we run for our plants. Once a month is fine also, 2-3 days is a tad excessive and will wear out the probe quicker :)

Try and avoid having to buy a dehumidifier if ya can, they rape ya electric :p

The Solyom
13-06-20, 04:41 PM
When you recalibrate your pen, you should do it to two points for accuracy, 7.0 & 4.0 generally as that's the range we run for our plants. Once a month is fine also, 2-3 days is a tad excessive and will wear out the probe quicker :)

Try and avoid having to buy a dehumidifier if ya can, they rape ya electric :p

Just had a pal round who thinks his ex might have a dehumidifier and I have just given her 4 bags of food. :D I'm more worried about bud rot than leccy bill. I opened another 2 windows to get a breeze through my gaff. This has got the humidity down to 49% @ 23.5 C, light is off. Still not good enough.

I'm considering putting a couple of buckets of dry rice in there to absorb the moisture. :laugh::laugh::laugh::greet: :barmy:

My cheapskate ph tester can only be calibrated with PH 7. I considered buying a Bluelab or Essentials but as the grow continues it would be a waste of money. This one does what it is supposed to, the plants are very happy, win win. If it ain't broke; LEAVE THE FUCK ALONE.

Krofam
13-06-20, 06:26 PM
when u schwazz them itll be ok. along with good air movement they will be able to handle the humidity. you just dont want it building up into condensation.

remember certain strains grow in really humid places.

The Solyom
14-06-20, 10:04 AM
Day 14

Good morning all.

By opening another window and adding a 2nd 4" passive intake the light on humidity has dropped to 46%. However, immediately after light off it has risen to 56% and possibly climbing, as the light has only been off for 20 minutes.

Today they got their 1st feed of Buddhas Tree @ 0.25ml/L. I know you said 0.2 per litre boss but 0.25 makes a nice even 3ml in 12 litres water which is now what they are getting between them. I pushed the ec up with 17ml "A" and 17ml "B" to achieve total of 1.2 ec. PH 5.9.


are all your plants similar in terms of phenotypes? colour etc..

Absolutely! 1 & 3 could be twins with 2 the sister, cos she's a bit smaller. Lovely colour, buds developing similarly. Happy families!

Plant 1

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Plant 3

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This is 1 or 3.

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2 is at the back. I'll see if I can get some pics of her tonight.

Mac
14-06-20, 10:13 AM
hows the smell in there, starting to get any noticeable notes out of her yet? They look fantastic fella wish we had aromavision as the icing on the cake :D

The Solyom
14-06-20, 12:06 PM
hows the smell in there, starting to get any noticeable notes out of her yet? They look fantastic fella wish we had aromavision as the icing on the cake :D

Pretty darn stinky! I have to turn the circulating fan off when I open the tent. Fear driven lol. Then during dark period I have 12 hours worrying if I turned it back on again.
No identifiable scent yet, just weed! I've never had a good scent of smell (breathing troubles) but hopefully I'll be able to give a good description. If not, that's what pals are for.

The Solyom
16-06-20, 10:18 AM
Day 15

They seem to be enjoying the Buddhas Tree, no signs of any problems.

The RH seems to be better now during light on. I'm not using the fan speed controller low speed setting. I have it running full speed 24/7. I'll check light off rh this evening.

The feed is
12L mixed comprising of, 3ml Buddhas Tree and 20ml of Canna A, and 20ml Canna B with 9ml ph down.
This brings my base ec of 0.4 and ph 7.3 to a perfect ec 1.2 ph 5.8.

I now fill a large storage box with water and this lasts all plants for 2 days removing any chlorine. It is kept in darkness.

I fill my mixing bucket using a 2l jug. I add the ph down 1st, then 8L water. I then add the 3ml Buddhas Tree and mix thoroughly. I have a black line on the inside of the mixing bucket for 10L, I also know 11cm depth is 10L.

I then check the PH and add more water to get the ph to 5.8. This brings the level up to the line, or close enough. I then add the Canna A followed by the B. It gets mixed thoroughly after each item is added.
Easy peezy, lemon squeezy. All done in a matter of minutes.

Plant 2 is about 4" shorter than the other 2 so I have raised it up to the same height. I also swapped the positions of 2 & 3 to give 2 more light.

I really need to raise the extractor fan, but as it is in a box it is a 2 man job so trying to think of a plan B. I think it has just come to me. Move the light! The light is being pushed on an angle and I want to get an even light distribution.

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A pic of plant 2 as she hasn't featured in many

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Krofam
16-06-20, 10:28 AM
looking great!!

9ml ph down seems a bit much.. i use a 3rd of that in 15ltrs....

try this... get 15ltrs of water. add 3.5ml ph down for 5.5 and 3ml for 5.8. ( i have same base ph a you so see if you get same result)
then you can empty 3 ltrs and add the rest of the nutes and stuff. (after making sure ph is on point)

The Solyom
16-06-20, 11:52 AM
So many things wrong with my previous post.
My base ec is 0.4 and my ph is 6.4. I calibrated my pen prior to this. I have no idea where we got 7.3 from!

I start with 10 liters of dechlorinated water ph 6.4. I remove 2L with a jug.
I add 0.9 ml of Growth Technology ph down (81% Phosphoric acid), this brings the ph down to 4.2.
Then add 3 ml Buddhas Tree which raises the ph to 5.5
Add the water in the jug to raise the ph to 5.8
Add 20ml A + 20ml B
EC 1.2

Krofam
16-06-20, 01:24 PM
oh wow... is it 6.4 after left for 24 hours and 7.3 out of tap?
cos if its 6.4 from tap, you are closer to soft water than hard...

thames water has water quality checks by postcode. have a look at yours. lists ph and all other reading like calcium and that.

so your putting in 3ml of BT to 8ltrs of water? or did you mean to type you add 2ltrs with a jug and not remove?

you must be smoking the good shiit. lol

i go straight from tap to bucket to pot. so no dechlorination.


looking great for 2 weeks of flower!

The Solyom
16-06-20, 02:02 PM
oh wow... is it 6.4 after left for 24 hours and 7.3 out of tap?
cos if its 6.4 from tap, you are closer to soft water than hard...

thames water has water quality checks by postcode. have a look at yours. lists ph and all other reading like calcium and that.

so your putting in 3ml of BT to 8ltrs of water? or did you mean to type you add 2ltrs with a jug and not remove?

you must be smoking the good shiit. lol

i go straight from tap to bucket to pot. so no dechlorination.


looking great for 2 weeks of flower!

it's 6.4 from tap. I'm using 10 L water. I take 2 L outwith a jug, to adjust the final ph. I usually put it all back to bring the ph up to 5.8. As the ph is always lower before I put it back, I don't have to ponce about with more ph down :D

Krofam
16-06-20, 02:15 PM
thats mad.

mine comes out 7.3 from tap. i ph first to 5.5 -5.8 depending what stage of growth its at, then i add the rest. at most it changed my ph by .1

The Solyom
16-06-20, 02:46 PM
thats mad.

mine comes out 7.3 from tap. i ph first to 5.5 -5.8 depending what stage of growth its at, then i add the rest. at most it changed my ph by .1

Looking at the figures it seems 0.1ml ph down is about what is required per litre to get my tap water to 5.8.
I just made up a mix for the autos and using 6L water I used 0.6ml ph down and got ph 5.8

Krofam
16-06-20, 03:00 PM
thats what dialling things in is all about!
you follow the method well and measure everything so our differences in base ph and ec doesnt even matter. its good to compare though, just so people can see the difference.
when you follow this method a few times. you wont even be using ph or ec pens anymore.

The Solyom
18-06-20, 09:29 AM
There may be a few people who don't realise this so I'll post it here. It is very important when checking ph to leave the pen in the solution for at least 30 seconds to get an accurate reading. Water temp affects the probes so it needs time to adjust.

I have a short tumbler that my local Wetherspoons donated to this project :rolleye: I fill it 2-3" with water/nutes solution and drop the pen in the glass. I swirl the pen around a bit for good measure. Over 30 seconds it will sometimes change the ph by 0.3+/-.
If it needs more ph down I add it to the glass 1st, then if I add too much I haven't f'ked up a whole bucket.

This morning my ph was 6.3 from the tap, in my res I fill the bucket from, it had risen to 6.5.

They got 10L between the 3 of them - 3ml Buddhas Tree added along with 20ml A and 20ml B in that order.

I was going through my seed stash the other day and found that these plants are actually Gelato #3, not plain Mary Jane Gelato. Freedom of seeds no longer has them on their site and I can't find any further info on them.

Plant 1

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Left to right - plants 1-3-2

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Plant 2

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Krofam
18-06-20, 10:41 PM
i think your about ready to schwazz away!!

The Solyom
19-06-20, 09:33 AM
All the feeds have been the same.
ec 1.2 comprising 3ml Buddhas Tree and 20ml each of A&B
Still looking good, no problems noticed except the poxy rh which is staying high during lights off. I have a plan...

I'm going to watch the vid on schwazzing now in preparation for an early start in the morning. Hopefully, it will help with the rh. If not, dehumidifier next week.

The Solyom
20-06-20, 10:02 AM
Day 20 (I think)

I got in there this morning and 25 minutes later had schwazzed 1 and a half plants. My aching back was saved by light off!
I might have a go tonight or leave it until the morning.

Same feed ec 1.2 - ph 5.8 - 3ml Buddhas tree and 20 ml each A&B.

Plant 1 got it 1st, I can probably do a bit more but I was going green blind. More leaves just kept appearing. The top fan leaves look larger in the photos, they are probably half the size in this pic.

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Since I stripped the bottom it seems a Gremlin has been in there and thrown puff balls to the lower stems! I would've sworn I removed all that popcorn. Back to the chopping board tomorrow.

Plant 2 was next, she didn't get full attention due to running out of time.

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Group shot, much less canopy.

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Shreder
20-06-20, 11:00 PM
Very nice work sol mate!!
and a good mentor you got ;)

d.w bout the popcorn they keep comin all the time

Krofam
21-06-20, 02:51 PM
did you schwazz the rest today?

after its done, you will only be removing the odd leaf here and there.

after a certain point theres no need ot removed popcorn buds. i would just leave them and use them for hash or medibles.

keep it up man. looking healthy AF!