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BomShiva
20-03-08, 08:02 AM
Hello Everbody :bigjoint:

For my next run of my good old Widow i thought i would give Plagron Batmix a try out against my staple of Bio Bizz All-Mix.

I started out rooting the clones in root riot cubes after 2 weeks they were potted up into 3 inch pots of Allmix (i hadent bought Bat Mix at this point)

Two weeks later they went into 7 inch square pots also using All Mix and were vegged for 3 more weeks.

Then i potted up into the final 25 ltr pots, i put the 5 on the right hand side of my tent into the Bat Mix and the 5 on the left into All Mix.

When i first potted them up i watered each pot with 4 ltrs of 5ml per ltr Fish Mix, as i allways do to set up the micro heard in the soil, after that they have just been on plain water at 4 ltrs every 5 or 6 days.

They were then vegged for a further 18 days before i switched to the flowering cycle.

I did notice over the 18 days of vegging in the final pots that the 5 All Mix had a very slight edge in growth rate over the Bat Mix pots.
Im not to worried about that at the moment as it really is splitting hairs between the two soils, Also Bat Mix is designed for flowering not veg.

They have now been on flower for 4 days and next water i shall start on my full bio bizz nute Schedule.

I have tried to post up some pics into my gallery to link here, but i keep getting a error msg, i would imagine is something to do with the very recent server move and when its fixed i shall put them up :guitar:

Bom!

Midnight Toker
20-03-08, 09:00 AM
Nice one Bom, one to watch for sure.

And welcome back !!

sweetsinner
20-03-08, 01:38 PM
Wooohooooo the Bom is back :)

About time this diary went up, I've been itching to see the results so I'll be flopping on a beanbag up at the front of this one :)

Diaper
20-03-08, 05:02 PM
Interesting stuff indeed, and of course great to have you posting!

I splashed out on the batmix for my current grow after seeing the results WTL was having, and must say I'm glad I did.We're moving along into the second week of flower now, and apart from a quick dose of epsoms they've been fed nothing.

bubbs
20-03-08, 06:29 PM
hiya Bom, glad u have ur diary up mate, im gonna watch this, will be very interesting to see if there is any difference :D. im gonna try organic on my next grow, wasn't planning on it but had a push in that direction ;)

afriendinneed
21-03-08, 01:10 AM
Interesting grow .. keep us updated! Im using lite-Mix then All-Mix for my indoor vegging period then its outside with the girls in to large coco coir/Fish-Mix/water retaining crytal pre-prepped holes .. :dance2:

Riff Raff
21-03-08, 02:30 AM
I'll pull up a chair for this one too. :headbang:

Looking forward to seeing some piccies. :drool:

THC Shark
23-03-08, 02:39 PM
should be a great diary mate, looking forward to some pics. Your avatar is just sooooo hypnotizing, it's drawing me in...no..noooo...noooooooooooo.:stoned-smilie:

asphyyxiate
24-03-08, 02:30 AM
oo nice always nice to see diaries comparing stuff

sweetsinner
24-03-08, 02:40 PM
*picture prod*

Kaya
25-03-08, 04:32 PM
Cool im actually planning to switch to Plagron from Bio Bizz, so ill be keeping a close eye on this one :) Nice idea.

lkdj2003
28-03-08, 07:17 PM
Cool, it's great to see you back in action on here mate and even better we all get treated to a Bom grow.. :boobs::mutz nutz::rock::dance2:

I will be locked in here for sure, i love WW. :mutz nutz:

Bring on the porn.... :yeah mate:

BomShiva
31-03-08, 12:58 PM
*picture prod*

Well having been away for a few days, i thought i better do a update :stoned-smilie:

Thank you everbody for the nice comments :greet:

Ok here is a few pics that were took at day 4 of flower, as you can see there really is nothing between the two soil mixes at the moment.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_007.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_005.jpg


https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_003.jpg

We are now at day 14 today of flowering so when lights come on ill grab some updated pics tonight and post them on here:smokie:

They are now being fed every watering, with 1ml of grow per ltr and 2ml per ltr of bloom.

Bom!

sweetsinner
02-04-08, 07:07 PM
You see on these pics Bom, you can't spot the difference, but last night you could.... its amazing how more the plants on the right are starting to bush out and looking more advanced than the ones on the left...
Gather you never got to take any new piccys!! *waves fist in the air*

Can't wait to see these girls in another week or so time....and just to see how much the WW fly in the batmix :D :D


GOooooooooooooooOoooooooooooooo Bom!

*waves little cheerleading pom-poms*

lkdj2003
03-04-08, 11:38 PM
Loving Bom mate, they are coming on bloody lovely mate. :yeah mate:

Im glad to see the allmix is back up to scratch mate. Can you remember last year when there seemed to of been a dodgy batch of it going around and nearly everyone using it had problems?

Keep them pic's coming mate! :weed: :headbang:

lala124
04-04-08, 02:46 AM
Bom - Beautiful mate. Should be a great diary for sure. Om Namah Shivaya!

THCShark - Incase you didnt know, his avatar is the symbol for "om" like what people in the east meditate one.

organix
04-04-08, 09:20 AM
Be interesting to see which smokes better, nice stature on those clones bomshiva.

Midnight Toker
04-04-08, 10:14 AM
Boy am i jealous !! .. :mr: :jawdrop: :headbang:

seems like such a long time since i had a room full of lovely ladies


Way to go Bom ...

bubbs
04-04-08, 11:30 AM
wow the are getting huge Bom, nice one mate :D

BomShiva
08-04-08, 11:21 PM
Looking awesome Bom:mr:

cant wait for the next update!:D

Well here you go mate ive got off my stoned arse and took some pictures :weed:

Were now at day 22 and im seeing a bit of a diffrence with the two soils, the all mix plants to the left are smaller by about 6" and they have a ligher green colour all over compared to the bat mix plants, ive also noticed that the stems of the forming buds on the bat mix side are a good double the thickness of the allmix plants:headbang:

In this pic you can clearly see the diffrent shades of green between the two soils in the plants.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_004.jpg

Bom!

BomShiva
08-04-08, 11:24 PM
Here is a few pics of the state of play of them all :thcleaf:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_001.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_002.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_0031.jpg

Im now feeding them all with 2 ml grow and 3 ml bloom per ltr every watering:laugh:

Bom!

xanadu
08-04-08, 11:27 PM
Wow! Those are splendid plants man!

One question: how do you get to the back to water them?

BomShiva
08-04-08, 11:30 PM
Ok here we have close bud shots of both a allmix main bud and also a batmix main bud:leaf:

The first picture is the allmix plant, second is the batmix plant.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_006.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_0071.jpg

And one final shot of another nice batmix plant i like the look of :joint:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_008.jpg

Thanks for looking :bigjoint:

Bom!

weed heed
08-04-08, 11:47 PM
thats going to be some harvest great grow on both sides,thers not much in it i can see the colour difference but ive never grown white widow so dont know what side is nearest the right colour,whatever its still an amazing grow good on ya bomshiva.weed heed

BomShiva
08-04-08, 11:54 PM
Wow! Those are splendid plants man!

One question: how do you get to the back to water them?

This is how Mate :bigjoint:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_tent_side1.jpg

Bom!

BomShiva
09-04-08, 12:06 AM
:jawdrop:WOW!nice update Bom:mr:

you can clearly see the bat mix is way ahead of the all mix!did you only feed the bat mix to keep the test even?

Great pics mate;) i love this 1

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/medium/ww_bat_v_all_008.jpg

Yes Mate i have only been feeding batmix ones because im feeding the allmix ones so would be a unfair test if i did not imo.

If you look close at the tips of the batmix main leaves there a bit burnt so im obviously pushing it feeding the batmix the same amounts as the tried and tested allmix, i would still inoculate my batmix soil with 5ml per ltr of fish mix at the start tho.

But the focus here is on the outcome of the diffrent soils, once a winner is anounced then if its batmix i will amend my dosages to suit.

Im not just looking at max weight, im also looking for the best tasting one aswell, and smoothness to smoke, and it has to burn right pure.

Bom!

BomShiva
09-04-08, 04:21 AM
This is what me and Mrs bom (the boss) are expecting at the least from our next one:pnp:

These are the very same clone line of my Widow but were grown back in 2005 :bigjoint:

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/2005_1.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/2005_2.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/2005_3.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/bashnaka.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW-10_week-_stella-2005.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_2005.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww-om-2005.jpg

Can batmix outperform Allmix?

Only one way to find out!

Bom!

yavana
09-04-08, 05:22 AM
Jeebus.

Look beautiful, I'm actually pretty surprised that there as a noticeable difference, but, well speaks to the power of poo (and you, amazing grow...)

BomShiva
09-04-08, 06:06 AM
Jeebus.

Look beautiful, I'm actually pretty surprised that there as a noticeable difference, but, well speaks to the power of poo (and you, amazing grow...)

Myself also Mate at the end of the day im not looking so much at end weight im looking for quality not quantity :stoned-smilie:

If it was quantity i was after id still be fecking around with my hydro tables, and not farting about in this organic mud stuff!

Bom!

bubbs
09-04-08, 08:33 AM
:omg: they have grown some :jawdrop:, yea you can realy see the difference, they look massive, lovin it Bom, i think i will have a go at this on the next one ;) thats twice you have changed my plans hehe :D i wanna come sit in that room like a little pixie just looking, smelling and drooling lol

organix
09-04-08, 09:21 AM
Lovely plants Bom Shiva I veg in all mix and transplant to batmix in flower, first time I did it this way I noticed slight tip burn when feeding what I normally would in all mix with the same clone I'd been running a while, the bat mix version was the best tasting I found compared to previous runs with all mix so I'm sticking with the bat mix.

Diaper
09-04-08, 12:35 PM
Truely stunning plants, both old and new, in every way Bom:weed:

Interesting to how your Batmix girls have shown that little bit of tip burn from feeding. I've still seen nothing like that, but still haven't pinned down quite what caused the rusting?
Did you get any readings as to the acidity of your Batmix?

Keeep em coming :mr:

marijuanamat
09-04-08, 01:14 PM
Nice 1 bom,they look very tasty

shadyspliff
09-04-08, 03:36 PM
:Nice: 2 c others going organic and using batmix! sorry i have no photos!! but just finnished my 2nd grow of chronic from serious seeds of amsterdam using batmix grew 3 plants each time avarage of 2oz or 56gms per plant both times bloomed into massive main colas on each plant!!!! after this thats it bat shit 4 me!!:joint: keep it organic!!!

PTB
09-04-08, 03:41 PM
I love those older pictures! they look amazing!!:Nice::drool:

Dave
09-04-08, 03:56 PM
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_0031.jpg

Holy crap man, I want to go running through your tree forest :jawdrop:
My fave pic, fa' sho! :mutz nutz:

sweetsinner
09-04-08, 04:54 PM
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_2005.jpg


Can batmix outperform Allmix?

Only one way to find out!

Bom!

Awesome update Bom...I'm drooling at the size of those colas in the 2005 pictures...

Just a quick question..and nothing about growing..but that can't be you in the pic?!! Wheres your hair gone!!!! *giggles*

Look forward to seeing these girls progress, although they are already making me drool..I don't think I'm going to wait for the result, I think I'm just going to grab the plagron as opposed to the allmix as after seeing yours and everyone else's results so far in the plagron I think I would be daft not too....!


I want plants that are as lush green as yours!! *pout*

lkdj2003
12-04-08, 04:22 PM
Outstanding Bom mate, loving it to bit's. I love watching grow comparisons like your soil. :guitar: :weed:

Keep the porn coming mate.. :boobs: :jawdrop: :harvest:

parkieus
13-04-08, 12:00 AM
In this pic you can clearly see the diffrent shades of green between the two soils in the plants.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/ww_bat_v_all_004.jpg

Bom!

great looking plants mang!

Id say its due to more nitrogen being in the soil on the left?

I use Pro-Allmix so I hope its holding it down on the right side :Nice:

afriendinneed
13-04-08, 08:58 AM
Wow! Great show mate, I'm sure I could smell them seeping from my keyboard :drool:

WTL
14-04-08, 02:09 PM
Wow what a thread,

The only reason I first brought "bat mix" was because I saw you talking about the royalty mix which greens dont stock, so I went for the BM instead. Then everyone started buying it and I was getting a lil worried just in case it didnt proform well, after I had been bigging it up so much. Glad to see its holdng its own tho.

BomShiva
01-05-08, 02:55 AM
Ok i know i know, im crap at keeping grow diarys up to date :blush:

But here we are at bang on 6 weeks, finialy found time to get some pics for a update together:bigjoint:

This is a couple of group shots of pretty much the whole tent :p

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_0011.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_0051.jpg

Its not that easy to see from those pics but close up the Batmix buds seem to be a good 20/25% bigger than the allmix buds.

Id like to add this aswell as its relevant, at week 4 the allmix plants were really yellowing fast from a Mg deff, id normaly give allmix grown plants a hit of Epsoms/Mg at the 2.5 to 3 week mark, depending on when a water cycle is due in that time gap basicly.

Id let the allmix carry on so long without dosing epsoms simply to see if or when the plagron needed it as im trying to keep the test as fair as possible, without my plants suffering to much.

Anyway between week 4 and 5 the Batmix plants all of a sudden started showing signs of Mg deffs too, and faster than the all mix plants once it kicked in.

So at day 31 i hit them, both batmix and allmix with the next watering containing a heaped tablesppon of epsom salts per 10 ltrs of water and 3ml grow and 3ml bloom.

within 7 days all yellowing on both plants in both composts has stopped, and by now pretty much of the leaves have greened back up, so Batmix just like Bio Bizz all-mix wants epsome salts applying at the same time, clearly both composts require the one off dose at the 3 week mark :bigjoint:

In future ill be defo going as normal with batmix as i would and do in the bio bizz all mix with my whole feeding cycle for my widow, its not that much more loaded in nutes than the bio bizz allmix is imho.

Just fed and watered again tonight at 3 ml grow per ltr and 4ml bloom ltr.

Bom!

BomShiva
01-05-08, 03:03 AM
Ok here we have two pictures of a BioBizz Allmix main bud.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_010bio.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_012bio.jpg

Now im not sure if its just me but i think i can see a fair few more trichs on the all mix buds compared to the batmix ones.

Bom!

BomShiva
01-05-08, 03:06 AM
Anyway here is two of the Batmix grown plant next to the allmix one ive just shown.

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_009bat.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_006bat.jpg

Bom!

BomShiva
01-05-08, 03:18 AM
Ok here is closer shot of the BioBizz AllMix bud :bong:
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_022bioa.jpg

And this next one is a close up of the Batmix grown widow :)
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/6_weeks_021bata.jpg

So thats the state of play at present, dunno if they will go the full 10 weeks they usually take hehe, as im so lazy i never even changed my timer back from 13 hours dark/11 light from, my mango haze grow.

Stoners hu :toke:

Bom!

CheeseGreen
01-05-08, 10:58 AM
Very lucious looking plants dude :D Can't wait until i can get a grow running like this one.

I hope you enjoy smoking it as much as i imagine i would enjoy smoking it :D:D:D

BomShiva
01-05-08, 12:23 PM
Very lucious looking plants dude :D Can't wait until i can get a grow running like this one.

I hope you enjoy smoking it as much as i imagine i would enjoy smoking it :D:D:D

Myself also i cannot wait till you pulling same results mate, and belive me i will defo enjoy smoking the produce i have here curing /growing.

The whole reason why i grow is simply just provide myself and Mrs Bom with a top quality smoke we could not aquire from anywhere else.

Why buy overpriced sprayed up wet weed?, when its fairly simple to produce your own for a fraction of the cost, at a quality simply unavaliable unless you do it yourself with your own product, or have some very good mates :omg:

Its defo not that hard to do, it carnt be i manage to pull off top quality weed, in my lazy big arse little as work possible way:leaf:

So if i can anybody can do it, it just depends if you really want to or not, end of!

Bom!

xanadu
01-05-08, 12:48 PM
Myself also i cannot wait till you pulling same results mate, and belive me i will defo enjoy smoking the produce i have here curing /growing.

The whole reason why i grow is simply just provide myself and Mrs Bom with a top quality smoke we could not aquire from anywhere else.

Why buy overpriced sprayed up wet weed?, when its fairly simple to produce your own for a fraction of the cost, at a quality simply unavaliable unless you do it yourself with your own product, or have some very good mates :omg:

Its defo not that hard to do, it carnt be i manage to pull off top quality weed, in my lazy big arse little as work possible way:leaf:

So if i can anybody can do it, it just depends if you really want to or not, end of!

Bom!

Well said!

I'm a complete novice and I'm also the laziest person I know, but even I can grow better weed than I can buy and, like you said, at a fraction of the price :harvest: :headbang:

CheeseGreen
01-05-08, 03:01 PM
It'd be ideal, self sufficiency. Never have to associate a beautiful product with costs and money :)

weed heed
01-05-08, 09:38 PM
that is one seriously sexy growroom man heaven on earth,amazing grow with both mediums bomshiva congratulations.enjoy.weed heed

sweetsinner
03-05-08, 01:42 PM
*mouth drools so much can't speak*
MMmmthmthhh,mmmrmmtmm.......

PTB
03-05-08, 01:54 PM
Fucking hell those buds look taste. nom nom nom...!!!

sweetsinner
03-05-08, 05:36 PM
Ok, ive composed myself now and can actually see the bud for the drool...
I have decided that I am bringing my stool next time I see you and I'm taking camp on the batmix side... I'll just lick the leaves for nutrition, it will be fine...
Beautiful update Bom, for a lazy bastard you sure can grow some outstanding buds... Truly stunning, glad I have the batmix now..well kind of.. ears still has it *laughs*

bergkamp
04-05-08, 07:53 AM
awesome mate, im so jealous.

BomShiva
23-05-08, 05:05 PM
Well its update time again.

Here we are now at 9 weeks and 5 days of flowering :bong:

Look like the Batmix ones are easy going to go 11 weeks!

Anyway here is a quick update of the state of play today

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_9week5days_003.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_9week5days_004.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_9week5days_005.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_9week5days_006.jpg

Some of the Batmix main buds are now twice the size of the Allmix plants buds.

Thanks for looking
Bom!

PTB
23-05-08, 05:07 PM
oh man, they are fat!

I think I just jizzed.:omg:

Cha-Cha Chong
23-05-08, 05:18 PM
WOOHOO looking lovely Bom, made my mouth water :D

organix
23-05-08, 05:30 PM
Filled out nicely Bom, lovely stuff.:D

Bitterfly
23-05-08, 08:10 PM
aww here man i just feel sick with jealousy :evil::Nice:

CheeseGreen
24-05-08, 11:39 AM
Fuck me they are some juicey buds.

Keep making us proud bom :D

bigballs
27-05-08, 11:27 AM
I'm amazed at the difference in size between the 2 soils, the batmix cola are definately longer and fatter than the others, having said that i wouldnt kick either out of a rizla :D. Wicked plants and pics mate :thcleaf:

BomShiva
28-05-08, 02:07 AM
I'm amazed at the difference in size between the 2 soils, the batmix cola are definately longer and fatter than the others, having said that i wouldnt kick either out of a rizla :D. Wicked plants and pics mate :thcleaf:

Cheers everbody for the nice comments, yup BB the batmix have defo out performed in the weight department :jawdrop:

But at the end of the day its not all about quantity, the Batmix has to taste right and burn pure without keep going out, like the Mango Hazes did, i got so sick of having to light my MH joints that i turned the lot into bubble :p

The Mango Haze smoked fine for ppl who use tobacco but it aint staying lit in a pure spliff, not even after a 4 month cure :furious:

Not one of Shanties finest creations imo the Mango Haze, nice haze stone but if it wont burn right pure then its a non runner for me!

Bom!

Bom!

THC Shark
30-05-08, 01:58 AM
rocket buds...thats how you role mate:Nice:

BomShiva
02-06-08, 05:51 AM
Ok here we are at bang on 11 weeks, finally shes looking done, i usuaslly pull her around week 10, but because the Batmix grown ones were not finished at week 10, i decided to take all 10 plants the full 11 weeks that i sometimes take the Widow to for the most narcotic high i can squeeze from her :evil:

So here we are the last group shot of the whole tent before i go crazy with a chainsaw later on today :D
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week_001.jpg

And here we have a nice healthy 11 week old Allmix Mix grown Widow and a bit of a closer shot of the same bud aswell, so you can see the crystal production close up;)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week-allmix_002.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week-allmix_003.jpg

Bom!

BomShiva
02-06-08, 06:00 AM
And finaly the king of the weights the Batmix crew!

A nice main bud of a 11 week old Batmix fuel fed Widow:shocked:
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week-batmix_004.jpg

And another Batmix bud rocking my tent and a close up of her :D

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week-batmix_005.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week-batmix_006.jpg

So thats it were finally at the end, now its crop n chop, dry , cure & weigh and test n taste and see if Batmix not only produces more but is it the same quality as a Allmix grown bud?

All the best
Bom!

lady420
02-06-08, 09:28 AM
Ooo they look lovely buds (as usual) , be interesting to know the amount after Cure,
Well done Bom!

zoots
02-06-08, 09:40 AM
:harvest::mr: respect bom shiva thats 1 great diary even better buds:Nice::D

CheeseGreen
02-06-08, 10:27 AM
That was some serious bud porn.

bubbs
02-06-08, 10:39 AM
looking sexy there Bom, the plants that is ;) hehe, there realy frosty, mind you, your's always are ;). the bat mix seems to be the :boobs:, nice one mate, it just occured to me what time you posted this... have you been snip snip snipping all nite ??

dekay
02-06-08, 11:31 AM
Well done that man, awesome.:greet:

stoneroz
02-06-08, 11:40 AM
good one, thats a beauty of a diary. I hope you had some help manacuring, it looks like it woulda taken ages!!!

BomShiva
04-06-08, 03:23 AM
Okey Dokey

Here we are at a lazy 11 weeks 2 days of flower, im just being lazy now and should of had these down by now :(

But here is a few pics of a Batmix grown main bud just chopped tonight.

First up is the main bud and a clipper lighter for a size comparasion.....
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week2days_2.jpg

Next we have a closer shot of the top part of this baseball sized Widow grown in Batmix....
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11weeks_2days_3.jpg

And finaly a bit of macro action with the mid section of this Widow Bud...
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11weeks_2days_1.jpg

Must say im quite happy with the Batmix results so far, and am looking forward to the taste test when they dry and cure:smokie:

Bom!

cannydathat
04-06-08, 11:53 AM
very nice looking buds, happy smoking:harvest:

Bitterfly
04-06-08, 03:05 PM
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_11week-allmix_002.jpg

photo of the year?

i cant wait to hear the taste test verdict mate :D

PTB
04-06-08, 03:12 PM
Fucking amazing photos and amazing plants... ooooohhh yeaaah:stoned-smilie:

falcone
05-06-08, 02:02 AM
u r the don. jealous is an understatement... i long with all my being for the day that i have the facilities to even atempt achieving buds lyk that. hats off to u sir

lala124
05-06-08, 11:37 PM
I got high just looking at em :D.

BomShiva
10-06-08, 01:14 PM
Ok i pulled most of them between week 10 and 11 when there supposed pulled, but i decided to let one go 12 weeks this time, something ive never done with this Widow before, so here is a pic of her yesterday just before she got hacked down :bigjoint:
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_010.jpg

In this next pic if you look at the top you can see one male banana sticking out at the top :omg:, ive never had her do that before but then ive never took her 12 weeks before and in the last week i messed up the light cycles somewhat leaving lights on for 30 hours whilst i was pulling the others.
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_001.jpg

And finally a close up of the same bud :leaf:
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_002.jpg

Bom!

BomShiva
10-06-08, 01:29 PM
And here we are the last of the bud porn in the diary, a few macro shots of the 12 week old Widow i pulled yesterday :stoned-smilie:
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_003.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_004.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_005.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_006.jpg
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_007.jpg

So thats it now untill its all dry and cured and i can see if there is any taste diffrence or burning problems with the Batmix grown girls, and also if there was much diffrence in the weights both soils produced.

Thanks for looking :greet:

Bom!

PTB
10-06-08, 01:44 PM
Fucking hell man! Those pictures looked so good I had to make my explorer full screen to get a good luck and risk getting fired!

(i'm not supposed to be on the internet at work):p

Amazing.

WTL
10-06-08, 01:45 PM
WOW........

Outstanding dude, I'm lost for words.

Looking forward to the final report dude.

allahu_akbar
10-06-08, 02:01 PM
good fucking work man, sticking to the plant limit and at first sight
i thought it was a bit boring because of the lack of variety
but that experiment you did with the batmix and all mix was def somthing
everyone would enjoy to watch.. you got that shit sorted to experiment i envy you.
THIS IS DEF A CLASSIC THCtalk GROW
congrats
:mr:
ps I dont drink much but I'll toast to this :beer:

Funky Green*
10-06-08, 03:12 PM
Those pictures are fuckin stunning! That is one awesome grow! Is it mainly White Widow or what or...?

Also, how are you going to dry & cure it ?

CheeseGreen
10-06-08, 04:10 PM
Bravo sire :mr:

Awesome pics mate :D

Bitterfly
10-06-08, 05:33 PM
too fucking sweet mate, too sweet...

cannot wait to hear the verdict!!:birthday:

sweetsinner
12-06-08, 10:56 PM
Oh Bom..pictures of your plants do very wrong things to me.... *chuckles*
As usual an outstanding grow..but then again, I expect nothing but amazing grows from you ;)
Can't believe how mental she looks at 12 weeks... Mines at 6 and already one of her main cola's is bigger than my hand...im so tempted you know *laughs evily* oo no I can't.

Once again, hats off to you mr green fingers and toes...

weed heed
15-06-08, 11:30 PM
amazing gro bomshiva wonderful looking plants i bet there as nice to smoke as they look.cheers weed heed

afriendinneed
16-06-08, 03:42 AM
:joint: Top Grow * * * * * 5 Stars! :cowboy:

bubbs
17-06-08, 09:09 AM
nice one Bom im lovin it :D fab grow as usual, not gonna praise you too much, its not good for you, and Mrs Boms door frames ;)

BomShiva
17-06-08, 11:22 AM
nice one Bom im lovin it :D fab grow as usual, not gonna praise you too much, its not good for you, and Mrs Boms door frames ;)

ROFL :p

Thanks for the very nice comments everbody.

Bom!

torky123
02-07-08, 05:33 PM
:jawdrop: THOSE R SUM FUCKIN NICE LOOKIN PLANTS MAN!!!!!!

lala124
02-07-08, 06:01 PM
Well Bom with that Darkroom I think you just won, I look forward to some great grows next time. You think youll use the darkroom for breeding and start selling widow? Im sure a few in here would like yours better than the commercial seedbanks really.

organix
02-07-08, 07:12 PM
Lovely buds and pics ain't too shabby either hehe:).

BomShiva
07-07-08, 03:27 AM
Well Bom with that Darkroom I think you just won, I look forward to some great grows next time. You think youll use the darkroom for breeding and start selling widow? Im sure a few in here would like yours better than the commercial seedbanks really.

Hi lala

I will be using the tent to make seed, but more to stablize and hold my lines well into the future,not to make and sell seed, i will be sending admin a good bunch of my widow x black widow seeds when ive made them ,to do with what they see fit for them tho.

Most of the simple crosses i make, i give away untested most of the time, i could never justify charging for a seed line that had not been properly test grown out by a few hundred plants, as that would be selling a unknown line and unfair, but im more than happy to be passing on my surplus stock to admin to give out to forum members one way or another.

If you are going to buy seed i can fully recommend the budget end of seeds, there is some great seed co's out there at proper prices with solid genes from £10 to £25, or you can buy into hype at £100 a go as ive found out many a time, but ive landed more keepers seed for seed from likes of Nirvana, KC Seeds, than i have your top brand names that charge so much cos of the big bucks they spend on advertising every month......

And ill chuck this in here, if ya after some of Simons Serious Seeds genes, at down to earth prices, give crazy x seeds a whirl, the breeder of those seeds has done most of the work in his parent selection for you.

Ive sampled a few of his serious seed crosses and i was impresed and the weights are right up there to im told!

Ive not grown any myself yet but what ive sampled id be happy if id grown it myself.

Bom!

popefull27
11-07-08, 08:14 PM
those buds were so frosty

Couchlocked
15-07-08, 09:44 AM
White Widow Porn! 5 Star Mate! "some of the best pics I've ever seen".

WTL
15-07-08, 02:47 PM
So which soil gave the better yeild/taste Bom?

Couchlocked
15-07-08, 09:44 PM
So which soil gave the better yeild/taste Bom?

It's probably still curing...

WTL
15-07-08, 10:35 PM
It's probably still curing...

Well I envy the man who still has untouched weed a month after croping....

Couchlocked
15-07-08, 10:37 PM
Well I envy the man who still has untouched weed a month after croping....

Me two :birthday: lol but I'm sure them bad girls deserve it.

BomShiva
16-07-08, 01:21 AM
It's probably still curing...


Yup it it is :toke:

Bom!

dekay
16-07-08, 09:51 PM
A month, dont tell me it would be better fer me to wait longer than another 2 weeks fer me own smoke (really coz i cant), although i could wait on next 2 fer chop if it better in 4 weeks than 2.

lala124
17-07-08, 12:35 AM
Think hes goin for a good 2 months.

Opiate
22-07-08, 07:58 PM
how am I supposed to get fucking work done with plants like these up?

afriendinneed
23-07-08, 05:00 PM
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/572/WW_week_12_001.jpg







I just love looking at this bud pr0n!

lala124
23-07-08, 08:18 PM
I know mate. Amazing colors. Great photography as well.

BomShiva
27-07-08, 01:36 AM
Ok folks its not had the full 3 month cure i like to normaly do, but i thought it was time to sample and weigh the end product from each soil.

Well i can tell you the 5 batmix grown plants outproduced the 5 allmix grown plants by 53 grams in total a average of 10.6 grams extra per plant.

Also i can report that the batmix grown bud actually burns/smoulders a lot better in a pure joint than the allmix.

However and this one is a biggie for me, the batmix grown bud leaves a kinda hydro style coating/taste on my tounge, and even tho it burns a bit better the taste is simply enough to put me off batmix, but friends who ive given both buds to in blind tests, whom mix tobacco into there joints can tell no diffrence what so ever!

So to sum it up id take the slightly lesser producing allmix grown bud over the batmix anyday of the week myself.

Now im running 10 more Widow again at the moment and this time im putting 5 widow in batmix up against 5 grown out in plangron royalty mix.

One thing i noticed when potting these new ones up is on the royalty mix bag its has printed in big letters 100% Bio, not anywhere on a Batmix bag does it say this.

At the moment its neck and neck between both bat and the royalty, but having potted up with both its allmost unbelivable there both made by same company, there totaly diffrent blends of compost with diffrent coloured peats in them both.

So for me its Allmix over Bamix as quality not quanity is the main factor for me.

Maybe Royalty mix can match or better Biobizz Allmix, when i know ill report back the findings.

Bom!

Bitterfly
27-07-08, 01:40 AM
Ok folks its not had the full 3 month cure i like to normaly do, but i thought it was time to sample and weigh the end product from each soil.

Well i can tell you the 5 batmix grown plants outproduced the 5 allmix grown plants by 53 grams in total a average of 10.6 grams extra per plant.

Also i can report that the batmix grown bud actually burns/smoulders a lot better in a pure joint than the allmix.

However and this one is a biggie for me, the batmix grown bud leaves a kinda hydro style coating/taste on my tounge, and even tho it burns a bit better the taste is simply enough to put me off batmix, but friends who ive given both buds to in blind tests, whom mix tobacco into there joints can tell no diffrence what so ever!

So to sum it up id take the slightly lesser producing allmix grown bud over the batmix anyday of the week myself.

Now im running 10 more Widow again at the moment and this time im putting 5 widow in batmix up against 5 grown out in plangron royalty mix.

One thing i noticed when potting these new ones up is on the royalty mix bag its has printed in big letters 100% Bio, not anywhere on a Batmix bag does it say this.

At the moment its neck and neck between both bat and the royalty, but having potted up with both its allmost unbelivable there both made by same company, there totaly diffrent blends of compost with diffrent coloured peats in them both.

So for me its Allmix over Bamix as quality not quanity is the main factor for me.

Maybe Royalty mix can match or better Biobizz Allmix, when i know ill report back the findings.

Bom!

hmm id never even heard of royalty mix!

well i totally agree with you over the fact its quality over quantity,

but its been an extremely concise and interesting report overall, and a joy to read :weed:

BomShiva
27-07-08, 02:17 AM
hmm id never even heard of royalty mix!

well i totally agree with you over the fact its quality over quantity,

but its been an extremely concise and interesting report overall, and a joy to read :weed:

Cheers Mate.

yup royalty mix is supposed to be the flagship compost by Plangron, its defo a lot diffrent to the Batmix, the batmix takes a lot of sieving, royalty mix was open bag tip n go kinda thing, much finer mix with more pearlight and rock dust and darker peats.

One of the best dutch soils ive seen yet, but have no idea on outcome of end product yet, the words "100% Bio* on the bag makes me think its not gonna have the batmix taste thing going on either.

I must add most ppl ive given my batmix grown widow to think im mad and they carnt tell any diff at all.

May be Greenshorticulture could start stocking it aswell as the batmix they allready stock now as both made by same company, im impresed with it on looks and texture over anything dutch ive ever tried.

Bom!

Bitterfly
27-07-08, 02:46 AM
Cheers Mate.

yup royalty mix is supposed to be the flagship compost by Plangron, its defo a lot diffrent to the Batmix, the batmix takes a lot of sieving, royalty mix was open bag tip n go kinda thing, much finer mix with more pearlight and rock dust and darker peats.

One of the best dutch soils ive seen yet, but have no idea on outcome of end product yet, the words "100% Bio* on the bag makes me think its not gonna have the batmix taste thing going on either.

I must add most ppl ive given my batmix grown widow to think im mad and they carnt tell any diff at all.

May be Greenshorticulture could start stocking it aswell as the batmix they allready stock now as both made by same company, im impresed with it on looks and texture over anything dutch ive ever tried.

Bom!

outstanding...

i can truly tell your a connoisseur

maybe it would be worth a few of us emailing greens with regards to them stocking the royalty mix??

lala124
27-07-08, 05:34 AM
Sounds superb Bom. Really lookin forward to seeing some of those amazing buds.

WTL
27-07-08, 08:03 AM
yup royalty mix is supposed to be the flagship compost by Plangron, its defo a lot diffrent to the Batmix, the batmix takes a lot of sieving, royalty mix was open bag tip n go kinda thing, much finer mix with more pearlight and rock dust and darker peats.

Great report and test dude, a truly great read mate.

Funny you should say about the Royalty mix, I just ordered a bag last thursday for my next grow, also got a 1kg bag of cavmans bat shit turning up.


outstanding...
i can truly tell your a connoisseur
maybe it would be worth a few of us emailing greens with regards to them stocking the royalty mix??

I did that a few months back dude, they said at the time they had no intention of stocking it, the hydro shop I got mine from only charge £11.95 per bag same for the bat mix aswell where as Greens charge 15.95-17.95 per bag, I must say I truely shocked to find somewhere cheaper than Greens.

Bitterfly
27-07-08, 07:17 PM
I did that a few months back dude, they said at the time they had no intention of stocking it, the hydro shop I got mine from only charge £11.95 per bag same for the bat mix aswell where as Greens charge 15.95-17.95 per bag, I must say I truely shocked to find somewhere cheaper than Greens.

well thats a tad shit..


on the other hand it may be to do with the cost of posting an item that heavy, maybe they have to charge a bit extra to counteract the heavy postage costs, as they have a single rate for postage?

either way tho its a shame about the royalty mix

Couchlocked
27-07-08, 09:16 PM
Not putting Greens down but I do think the Plagron BatMix is way over priced I know of another online store that sells it at £9.20 per 50L bag where as greens charge £17.95 ?

munkman
27-07-08, 10:25 PM
Not putting Greens down but I do think the Plagron BatMix is way over priced I know of another online store that sells it at £9.20 per 50L bag where as greens charge £17.95 ?

agreed mate, i also got my cfls from a different place as it was about 9quid more from greens, daylight robbery! :rolleye:

Dave the Shrew
01-08-08, 07:11 PM
your plantslook amazing dude

Tripples
07-11-08, 11:17 PM
I really enjoyed this thread. Any more pics of the bud in joints or in hands ?

You've totally soldme on getting a proper soil but I'm worried about something that big going through the post. Can 50ls be carried far as I'd have to collect it from my post office

Cheers

Tripples
i removed your post wi the link to ebay tripples please dont link to other sites

BomShiva
11-11-08, 12:36 PM
I really enjoyed this thread. Any more pics of the bud in joints or in hands ?

You've totally soldme on getting a proper soil but I'm worried about something that big going through the post. Can 50ls be carried far as I'd have to collect it from my post office

Cheers

Tripples
Thanks for the kind words Tripples

Hmmm a 50 ltr bag of soil weighs a fair bit i wouldent want to be carrying one far myself.

There is a certian growshop online that sells biobizz allmix in 20 ltr bags tho!

If your having problems sourcing a safe supply of dutch soil, J.A.B multi purpose sold at most good garden centers is a fairly decent soil for canna, its not organic but will produce some quality pot at a lot less cost than any of the imported Dutch offerings.

Bom!

skunkhunter
19-12-08, 08:39 PM
you make growing for first timers a wish for there bud to produce like your fat white laden buds you did you must be shit hot and know your stuff bom and only are selfs can wish to grow bud to your high standard and get a taste of the real deal well done mate skunk hunter

Tripples
20-12-08, 02:06 AM
Ended up getting the all mix 20l and a separate soil for seedlings. Also got some work castings as I read the high nitrogen is more likely to turn plants female.

schuey
21-06-09, 06:56 PM
GREAT GROW BOM:yeah mate:

Greensmith
19-08-09, 10:06 AM
Hi Bom, you've put many a grower heading in the right direction with your diary...absolutely superb read. I just found out the advice I've been given on my first organic tent grow with Bat Mix, fish mix etc was from someones experiences based on this diary....and they've let me sample some of the best bud i've ever smoked (and I've smoked in many countries around the world) grown to your spec.:mr:

My first organic grow will be ready around christmas '09 so i'll drop back with a smoke report in the new year.

Thanks again and happy toking buddy.

John Smith
25-08-09, 12:28 AM
Brilliant Bom!

was really nice to read/watch/droolover this thread, cant think Ive actually seen a better indoor diary done like this, pics were amazing, love the long corrider set up of the plants too, and gives a nice sway for the reader with regards to quantity or quality, you could see the bat mix was obviously higher in nitrogen staying as green for as long as it did, awesome mate!

Well done and hats off to you bro, you certainly know how to get your plants to full potential.

hope you do another on here sometime soon.
all the best
Hairy_G

boomshiva
25-08-09, 11:08 AM
wicked grow dude!

do ya mind me asking what size room you have,and how many lights ,what wattage and what extraction?
only asking as i would like to cope your tryed and tested work
keep it going bro
boom shiva!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

FreNzyBud
02-09-09, 01:09 PM
Very impressive yield you got there. I must say..

What lights did you use? And wattage?

Milhaze
04-09-09, 11:39 AM
Excellent diary dude, and a great yield :stoned-smilie:

ddsdavey
12-09-09, 02:21 PM
Just out of interest,whats meant by "all mix".
It sounds like a dry dog food!

nooby_dr_green_thumb
14-09-09, 07:13 PM
just means its not the light mix lol
its for veg and flower not cuttings and seedlings
all though it can be used just has nutes in it and the light is obviously light :)

BomShiva
28-10-09, 06:50 AM
Very impressive yield you got there. I must say..

What lights did you use? And wattage?

I used 2 x 600 watt sylvania grolux bulbs in supernova reflectors and the extraction was a RVK A1 6" fan and a Phat carbon filter, now branded under the name Rhino filters!

edit to add, i bought the supernovas 8 years or more ago, having seen the diamond reflectors avaliable on the market now, i would more than likely buy those today.

Bom!

luvtogrow
30-10-09, 08:46 PM
Was liking my grow till reading this thread and seeing what you do. Major green thumbs up!!

Darko
27-11-09, 02:33 PM
Not putting Greens down but I do think the Plagron BatMix is way over priced I know of another online store that sells it at £9.20 per 50L bag where as greens charge £17.95 ?
whats the postage price though cause greens dont charge anymore than 4.95 no matter what size or wait plus u can garrantee that it will be with you the next day.

dj #
27-11-09, 02:40 PM
whats the postage price though cause greens dont charge anymore than 4.95 no matter what size or wait plus u can garrantee that it will be with you the next day.no im afraid thats not true, there is differences in their shipping rates unfortunatley,
iv just come of the phone to Dan @ Greens just now after having a consignment go "walk-about!" :(
parcel was sent via Interlink Express on a 2 day guarenteed delivery, that was a week ago :(
nevermind im getting a whole new package shipped, and if the first order does eventually turn up i can keep that too :)
so fingers crossed it does and im quids in! ;)

i must say that Greens are a great company and i now get a set discount from my account for being a good cutomer :D oh and all my future orders will only be sent to me by Parcel Force now so they can actually guarantee delivery by their stated/guaranteed delivery time :toke:

Blossom
30-11-09, 10:44 PM
What an amazing diary. Absolutely loved the comparison aspect of it and the final crop looked truly mind blowing. :D

yoko2009
26-06-10, 01:12 AM
well Bom thats got to be one of the greatest grows on THC to date, i red it some time back when i first started out but now i know whats involved i appreciate it a hell of a lot more......outstanding mate

JokerThaToker
14-08-10, 11:30 AM
can only say 1 word "superb"

yoko2009
14-08-10, 12:44 PM
yep defo one of the best diarys written

NoSoapBarForMe
15-08-10, 10:50 AM
nice one bomshiva I really enjoyed this thread all the info i need to try a soil grow...this has to be the best thread i have ever read...first class atb soapbar

warchild
14-01-13, 07:35 AM
i tip my hat to you sir ,this is great,please can someone tell me if there are any links to his 2005 grow or anymore hes done,thanks

vapour
14-01-13, 10:13 AM
Try an advanced search (top right on website) warchild. But I think this is the last diary by BomShiva.

cheers

CannabisGuy
23-01-13, 02:55 PM
im so jealous .

BomŚivāya ॐ
22-02-13, 07:40 AM
im so jealous .

Guess who is back ^^

Been a long trip made me flip but im back!

Forgot my password to old account, i am an old git tho, diarys to to follow that will blow this one out of the water then some...........

Such a nice warm feeling to be back home *hug*

Bom!

vapour
22-02-13, 08:07 AM
Guess who is back ^^

Been a long trip made me flip but im back!

Forgot my password to old account, i am an old git tho, diarys to to follow that will blow this one out of the water then some...........

Such a nice warm feeling to be back home *hug*

Bom!

Wow bud, I've read this diary through several times. You are a legend.

I literally can not wait till your new diary.

Welcome back!!!!

BomŚivāya ॐ
22-02-13, 08:33 AM
Wow bud, I've read this diary through several times. You are a legend.

I literally can not wait till your new diary.

Welcome back!!!!

Thank you kindly Vapour im far far from a legend my friend but thank you for such kind words.

But after my far to long break from what some call normal life and riding the divine moments of truth of the insights of ayahuasca brings to ones soul.

Im back ready to share my knowledge and love with like minded souls again....

Bom!

wek
21-11-13, 11:19 PM
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GreenShine
28-03-14, 02:23 AM
Thank you kindly Vapour im far far from a legend my friend but thank you for such kind words.

But after my far to long break from what some call normal life and riding the divine moments of truth of the insights of ayahuasca brings to ones soul.

Im back ready to share my knowledge and love with like minded souls again....


I know you said you were gonna do the Batmix Vs Royalty mix test, but I never read any of your results regarding this testing. I have read a few posts on other forums where it is claimed that using the Royalty mix give at least same yields as batmix, but with much better taste.

So what is your own personal opinion on the Royalty mix in regards to the Batmix ?

And also, what kind of grow and bloom did you run with, Plagrons 100% organic alga grow/bloom ?

Shhhgetme
25-06-14, 12:52 AM
Stunning ...Simply Stunning looking Fruit.

Ronald123
12-09-14, 06:59 PM
Sick! A lot of yield for soil

Wutang22
28-12-16, 10:06 AM
One of my fav THC grows this one

zappaman
26-01-22, 09:57 PM
amazing stuff quality thread:Nice: