View Full Version : Secret Citrus - AF SOG
mitch_connor
03-04-11, 10:09 PM
Hey everyone,
You may have caught my last diary on here, which was an Autoflower SOG of Pinkbud and Fruit Salad,
Well I'm back for round 2 with a different strain from the same breeder.
Setup Remains nearly the same:
600w Lumatek dimmable ballast - (I run the first week - 10 days on 400w setting, then 600w setting until the end) - I don't use the Superlumens feature
4" Ruck Temp Controlled Fan + Carbon Filter
1.2m x 1.2 metre grow tent.
Using a Parabolic reflector for Veg/Pre-flower stage, but i've bought a better reflector for flowering which I will swap over to when flowering starts to really kick in.
Same medium and nutes as before. (biobizz soil and liquid nutes, with organic molasses to add in flowering)
This is what i'm hoping to get. (pics from breeder)
One picture shows an indica and sativa pheno side by side, I chose the indica leaning ones for this run.
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So it begins - Sorry I have no pictures from week 1 of the grow, as I was busy finishing the harvest of the Pinkbud and Fruit Salad grow.
Week 2
Pics from days 15-17
The beans were all soaked at the same time but some germed ahead of others, hence there being a couple of days gap between the sprout dates.
Started the beans, all popped, broke 1 during potting -clumsy! 100% germ though
The right side of the tent, I used 2 litre pop bottles cut down about half way, I'd estimate a little over a litre of soil to fil.
The left side, I used 1 litre square pots.
Females and males had started making themselves known at this point. I started potting the confirmed females up the next day after these photos.
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Week 3
Ok so we're almost caught up on this grow now.
These pics were taken today - @ day 21 for the left side from sprout/day 23 for the right from sprout.
All females in there now, I got 60% females and they were potted up into their 6 litre square new homes.
More females than I needed, as I would have liked to have given them a little more breathing room to make the most of their branching. But I will persevere :)
The plants from the right side are averaging 40cm tall.
These are branchier and larger structure than my last run. Expecting them to go 70-75 days, but will see. Maybe they will be quicker as they were from an indica leaning (faster cycle mum)
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It's a shame I can't show everyone how they are doing so far packed into the SOG, but I will try and get some (small) group shots for next update.
Cheers, Mitch
Lovely looking plants there mate. Gonna watch this one.
Watching this mate as your last go was awesome to say the least.
RogerMelly
04-04-11, 08:15 AM
good luck chap and may the plants make it fruitful :D
Bobby Digital
04-04-11, 09:20 AM
Gonna be watching this mitch, gluck for this grow :)
mitch_connor
04-04-11, 12:06 PM
cheers all :)
Just looked at the first pictures again. Whats your PH? get it near the 6.5 mark, looks like the start of iron def due to PH. Nothing serious just keep an eye on PH.
Might just be the strain.
Thats my opinion.
mitch_connor
06-04-11, 10:31 PM
which picture dude?
It could be because of the flash on the camera? The leaves look perfect to me.
Cheers anyway, mitch
subbed on this one,
i want some of those pinkbud n fruitsalad pips for when i move in my new house inafew weeks, would like to copy your last grow, need results like urs in 1.2 or 2m tent!! yes indeed!
saafe man
mitch_connor
07-04-11, 05:07 PM
Thanks iice: It would take some work in a 2m tent but you would definetly be rewarded.
DAY 25/27 From Sprout
I was going to wait until sunday to update, but they have gone nuts in the 4 days since I took the pics above.
The right side of the grow - the one I measured last time, is now 50-60cm tall.
I really need my new reflector as this parabolic is lacking the penetration a 600w should have. The first leaves are being used up through lack of light.
Still using the MH so any stretch/verticle growth is purely down to the strain I think.
The full plant pic against the white background is the same plant as photographed in the last pic on my last update.
You can see some of the sativa in her coming out in the shape of the new leaf sets.
I don't know whether it's due to them being packed closely, but the branching is quite viney in structure, They will need to be staked in the coming weeks to stop heavy budz flopping all over the place
Cheers, mitch
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which picture dude?
It could be because of the flash on the camera? The leaves look perfect to me.
Cheers anyway, mitch
I presume the first picture in the post above is the same plant and it does look fine. But I was talking about the last one of the group above.
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niceneasy
09-04-11, 01:08 AM
Feck me mate, you don't hang around do you. Best of luck with these, you can grow a nice auto.
Like the use of the pop bottles as well, I'm a big user myself. I find if you just cut the top off & fill it's just the right amount of soil to see the plants into week 3 without any impact on the end results. You have it all well in hand though :)
mitch_connor
09-04-11, 01:35 AM
Yeh trust me talpa, thanks for the concern :) but I can't post the group pics here, but under natural light/mh and not using a flash there isn't any lighter colour in the centre of the new growth,
Cheers NnE !
Yes they love the depth of a 2 litre bottle, aslong as you keep on top of watering/feeding you *can* get good results in a 2 litre pop bottle start to finish. Cheap too!
I cut these down to about half way though as I was limited on soil at the time.
They didn't stay in them too long though, I think most were potted up shortly after 2 weeks from sprout.
Thanks for stopping by anyway guys,
Peace, mitch
mitch_connor
14-04-11, 11:52 AM
Update: Pics from day 31 - 33
I switched over to the HPS on day 26/28
I also pruned the lower branches off that were unlikely to amount to anything/shaded
I changed to a large adjustawing reflector day 29/31, the penetration of the 600 seems a lot better! But i might have to switch the rows now and then to make sure they all get a fair share.
When i first had the fem's potted up I thought there would be too many but they actually slot in really nicely next to each other, the branches have found their way 'up' rather than 'out' so they aren't too wide.
could have squeezed another 3 girls in for a full tent!
Heights range from 50cm smallest to 75cm tallest at the moment, I don't think they have much more height to gain, any height to come will probably just be in bud growth.
(P.S sorry for the pictures being shitty, really struggled to get good ones in 4 attempts!)
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mitch_connor
18-04-11, 05:49 PM
Day 36/38
Had a few changes to the setup recently, sorting out new ventilation etc, Hope the girls didn't mind the down-time too much.
But these are from today.
Also just tied in the branches, to hopefully give them a little extra support late flower
cheers :)
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mitch_connor
24-04-11, 04:09 PM
So i seem to be REALLY *testing* these strains from SGS!
Last grow was cool temps and very high humidity, so I bought a de-humidifier for this run, but now warm outside temps mean humidity is 40% bang on, but the tent is 30 deg c. !
I'm in the attic room and it's 10 degrees hotter than the floor below, when I walk downstairs it's like the reverse of when you step off a plane in a hot country.
I was also slacking trying to make my Bloom nutrients last abit longer, but I gave in and went to the Grow shop and it was closed for easter, so I will go next week and they will get a decent bloom feed next watering.
Anyways the Secret Citrus seems un-phased and is going along nicely.
I can see them going 70 -75 days.
I took some pics today of an Indica pheno @ 45 days, and a Sativa pheno @ 43 days from sprout. Both are pretty frosty already and have a lovely citrus smell. The indica is more lemony with hints of skunk, whereas the Sativa is a little sweeter / orangey zest smell.
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cheers, mitch
mitch_connor
02-05-11, 05:10 PM
Hey everyone, sorry I've been slacking abit recently, been super busy!!
I did manage to take a few pics in between everything else though
I think i've got them back in business, after temps in the 90's due to un-seasonal warmth, they now seem stable @ low 80's - 81-83 degrees ambient temps in the tent - still higher than i'd like but not much else i can do at the moment.
Gave them some decent bloom feeds after getting the nutrients too.
Anyways, here are some pics from days 46-48, and days 51-53 from sprout.
I'm definetly going to run these again, as I feel there is much more potential I could have got from them, I'm going to take these to around day 70, will decide closer to the time.
Day 46-48
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cheers, mitch
niceneasy
03-05-11, 09:17 PM
Top show mate, very nice.
Bobby Digital
03-05-11, 09:23 PM
nice one mitch, they looking just like the breeders pics :)
mitch_connor
03-05-11, 10:07 PM
Cheers guys ^^ always appreciated :)
I've given them abit of a tough time recently! But they are coming along. Still 2-3 weeks left I'd say
ta, mitch
Amazing work bud,
Its mad to think you can get these results from auto's in the same time it would take you flower on a normal run.
Watch This Space !!
mitch_connor
03-05-11, 10:43 PM
Thanks bud, yeh they are pretty supercharged specimins aren't they!
This SC is going to run past 70 days I think, but I think extra time will be worth it :)
mitch_connor
06-05-11, 04:33 PM
Some random shots from today! Day 55-57 from sprout
First 2 - is the one least affected by my bad growing! Still plenty of white hairs, given another 3 weeks to mature I think it's going to get pretty fat and juicy
Pic 3 - Just a crystally specimin + V.lemony smell
Pic 4 - Some purpley tinged calyxs at the very top, seems quite common on these
Pic 5 - Close up of the top bud on one - Very dense - Kush dom I presume
Hope you enjoy, can't wait to smoke these + I think the hash from trim will be something too
Cheers, Mitch
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Greenie77
06-05-11, 08:06 PM
Dont see too much "bad"growing there buddy !!! looking sweet as a nut !!! 3 weeks time they will be top bannanas if you just keep doin what you have been =))
mitch_connor
06-05-11, 08:09 PM
Thanks man, I just think they could be better on my part! I'm definetly going to run them again though and hopefully get them spot on :)
Cheers for watching!
Bubbles LM
06-05-11, 09:01 PM
They look bloody gorgeous as I expected they would after seeing your last grow lol
Those pics are really mouthwatering now, I know what you mean about doing them
again though you perfectionist you, but I'm sure your growing skills are helping lots of
auto fans realise the potential they have despite the size.
Just a shame I only just clocked your diary.. :)
Legs
mitch_connor
06-05-11, 09:18 PM
Hey man, thanks!
Yeh always gotta strive for perfection where possible, but it's not even that it's just I was hoping to better my last grow yield wise! And seeing the structure and way they will fit into a SOG I think it's more than do-able with this strain, but with the right care and attention!
I will still have more than enough for me though when all is said and done :) , I can tell that already.
The pistils browned much earlier than I would have expected them too, when they should have been going through a real boost of flowering! (which I can only put down to me)
If you look at the top two pictures, that's how I would have imagined them all at this stage in the grow in terms of development/size. A nice pint can sized top bud come the end of flowering...
If there was X amount of plants like that then I'd be over the moon!
Still a few weeks to go though so I will quit moaning for now :)
Cheers anyway dude your comments are much appreciated, Mitch
who is the breeder of this Secret Citrus, Pinkbud and Fruit Salad!!??! Those look like some quality Autos!
Grapes
mitch_connor
07-05-11, 10:47 AM
I won't link but just google Secret Garden Seeds
Bubbles LM
07-05-11, 09:49 PM
Yeah I know what your saying, you can't get the image out of your head of what you could have done better (yield wise) this time. ; )
And your right, they have plenty of time left to gain some extra phatness so no point in being glum! But they still look bloody yummy
either way mate, and when some of these testers become available to buy, let us know where we can get them from please, they need to be
taste tested by me! lol
Looking forward to the next updates and pics, you take some really nice shots mitch.
Bubbles LM
07-05-11, 09:51 PM
I won't link but just google Secret Garden Seeds
Notepaded!
mitch_connor
07-05-11, 09:55 PM
Cheers legoman!
Infact just over night they seem to be fattening :) It might not be all doom and gloom afterall, infact I remember thinking half way through my last grow I was going to do rubbishly!
Will update towards the end of next week,
Thanks for stopping by bud.
P.S these are available and have been for months I think, just said I'd do a grow show for them :)
Bubbles LM
07-05-11, 10:25 PM
I'm always about a year behind everyone else when it comes to seeds mate lol.
I have too many already, and want to grow too many plants at the same time, too much choice!
Yup it's always nice to see that last fatness and bulk take them from average plants, to stunners
that look like the packet photo's and sometimes better.
I've really noticed that weight come on my wembley in the last week or so, makes me all giddy and excited.. hehe
mitch_connor
07-05-11, 10:43 PM
Yeh I'm the same, I have way too many seeds, but they will get grown!
I just had a spy at your guerilla ninja, and saw wembley, what's the origins of it? cut or seed? looks nice
Bubbles LM
07-05-11, 11:21 PM
Too right, have to germ them all in the end!
Cheers mate, she's my new best friend lol, the mum is in my flower room in my other diary (in my sig), she was from a fem seed (pyramid)
All the cuts I'm putting out of wembley will have come from her or her daughters, can't wait to taste her in a few weeks.
mitch_connor
07-05-11, 11:29 PM
Will have to save up for a farm one day and do a mass germ :)
Yeh sorry had a very quick spy at the guerilla diary, not the other one. will check it out,
cheers, mitch
mitch_connor
11-05-11, 08:42 PM
Hey guys, got to the tent to take a few shots from today..
Day 60-62 from sprout
Still soldiering on, planning to chop day 73-75, so just under 2 weeks left.
I suspect some pheno's aren't too far off being ready, but to compensate for any loss of days grow time, and to allow the longer flowering ones to finish I will take them all down in one fell swoop!
Nice scent going on in there now, might just be my nose but a few hints of a spicyness?
Cheers guys, Mitch :)
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Bubbles LM
11-05-11, 08:57 PM
Looking real juicy matey, do you separate them at all after they have dried so you know which ones went longer?
Or do you just chuck them all together ?? lol
mitch_connor
11-05-11, 09:01 PM
Thanks man, if i was more of a connoisseur about it, and had the time I would dry them with labels, and keep them seperate in curing to take proper samples from,
But I'm mad busy at the moment, so in all honesty I can see them being mixed up pretty quickly!
Bubbles LM
11-05-11, 09:02 PM
Thanks man, if i was more of a connoisseur about it, and had the time I would dry them with labels, and keep them seperate in curing to take proper samples from,
But I'm mad busy at the moment, so in all honesty I can see them being mixed up pretty quickly!
It's always a time issue isn't it haha
mitch_connor
11-05-11, 09:04 PM
Yeh for sure it is, I might be able to manage to do it for one pheno at either end of the spectrum though, we'll see. Cheers for popping by anyway chap, mitch
Bobby Digital
11-05-11, 10:05 PM
Looking very nice mitch, looking forward to the harvest pics :)
mitch_connor
11-05-11, 10:07 PM
Cheers fella, as am I :)
Will be making hash too afterwards at somepoint, I really can't wait for that.
Will be growing these again next round split with a special edition from a kind member on here!
More of your gumby hash Mitch? That last batch you made looked mighty tasty.
mitch_connor
11-05-11, 10:22 PM
It's going to be improved this time hopefully,
Using a mix of the gumby and bubblebags.
Will post it up though for sure if people want to see the method aswell as the end product :)
Do post it mate. It's good to have a wealth of how to for us stoners.
mitch_connor
15-05-11, 03:26 PM
Hey guys, just took some quick pics whilst I had them out for watering.
Day 64-66 from sprout.
Gave them their last feed, so plain water from here on out - 9 days left until chop!
Some nice colouration going on, probably environmental. The ones I kept in better health are still very green on the whole.
There are around 5 or 6 plants between these shots.
Will get some group shots before chop.
Cheers, mitch :)
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nice sticky looking nugs there mitch well done.:bong:
mitch_connor
15-05-11, 03:37 PM
Thanks sean, not too long until I can sample the flowers of my labour now :)
teutonic
15-05-11, 04:11 PM
yer looking really nice ! well done mc !
Damn they look tasty mate.
lookin sweet man, look forward to seein the crop :)
mitch_connor
02-06-11, 08:25 PM
Sorry guys, this grow has been completed!
I got abit side tracked, but I have all the pics from the end stages.
1st Update - Group Shots and Full plant pics - Around day 69 from sprout.
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mitch_connor
02-06-11, 08:35 PM
Update 2 - Harvested + Trimmed pics - Around day 70
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mitch_connor
02-06-11, 08:42 PM
Update 3 - Dry Shots
Yield was a little over 20 Oz after some samples were pinched
Not quite as good as last run, but they had a hard short life and I had vacant space that could have been utilised had I started more.
Now in curing, will be back in a few weeks with cured bud and hash pics of the Secret Citrus.
Cheers all, mitch
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Bobby Digital
02-06-11, 08:57 PM
Loverly stuff dude, nice little pile "o" buds :D
Zen Archer
02-06-11, 09:23 PM
Very appropriate for page three. lovely soft porn. Loved the pics MC. just fabulous!!
Zen Archer
02-06-11, 09:35 PM
It's going to be improved this time hopefully,
Using a mix of the gumby and bubblebags.
Will post it up though for sure if people want to see the method aswell as the end product :)
I would like to see that Mitch. Would be very interesting.:)
You've got me thinking that I really should give autos a go.
You are pumping out decent amounts in such little time.
mitch_connor
02-06-11, 11:37 PM
Thanks dude, they have saved my ass a few times in the past.
On a smaller scale but when I was having inspections every 3 months in rented property they were my only option for total peace of mind.
Great for the impatient grower, you can really see the changes day to day and now the quality issues have been/are being addressed further they are something I will always keep around.
:)
My only problem is I wouldn't want to have to keep ordering seeds, but if that's not an issue auto's seem a great way to go.
mitch_connor
03-06-11, 12:13 AM
Easy answer, take one fem from one round knock her up with some pollen somewhere out of the way. You'd have enough seeds to run a full sog 10 times over.
Mitch, I really do rate your grows mate. Just bought me a DR60 grow tent but not really thought of what to do with it, so I'm thinking of running it as an autoflower grow space after seeing this grow as well as your last one. Seems like the best way to get a wider variety of smoke to choose from so I might just order 4 different auto seeds and plonk them in the DR60 under a 250w CFL or HPS.
mitch_connor
03-06-11, 12:47 PM
cool man, I'm sure you will have fun.
I'd go for big pots, something branchy that is less dwarf like and lst or perhaps a modular scrog to get the most from them.
Any reason you're using a CFL? I'd be tempted to get a 150w Hps though or if you want to stick with the cfl try it verticle.
Well because I already have a 600w tent running in that room and the room does get quite warm as the extraction goes in to that room, I don't fancy sawing a hole in the ceiling to extract in to the loft as it is a rented house.
So I thought the CFL wouldn't make it any hotter. But then again, the 250w HPS would be much better, and I doubt it'd add much heat to the room. I'm leaning more to the HPS though. I'd definately hang it vertical though. I'm not actually using a CFL yet although I'd use a spare 125w blue CFL to start them off. I'm thinking 4 square 11L pots if I can fit them in the tent which I think I can. I was thinking a scrog but wasn't sure if it was that easy with autos as a lot of them aren't that branchy. I'll look out for branchy Autos in a bit.
You got any more grows planned Mitch?
mitch_connor
03-06-11, 01:07 PM
I started with AF's and CFL's and although they can work, I've seen some really nice grows with 150w HPS, I don't think they would add much heat to the room, but you could always try the CFL first then switch to a small hps if you weren't satisfied.
I think a bigger pot will bring out the branchiness more, and if you are going to run fem seeds, you could start training them/tying them down from early on to promote more branches, then I'm sure they would fill a SCROG.
Yeh man, I'm running the Secret Citrus again, as I want to grow them better and give them more attention, I'll be running them alongside some AF's someone kindly gifted me :)
Then I'm going to run Fruit Salad X Pinkbud in a SOG but I only have a spare 400w to give them, so will just have to see how they do.
CHeers man, mitch
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