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dirty dude
23-08-11, 08:16 AM
I got 4 greenhouse seeds (fem'd white rhino) from a friend and Im thinking about doing 12/12 from seed in big airpots but maybe scrogging them? Ive got them in rockwool cubes germing at the mo in my growspace under the lights which happen to be on 12/12 for my hempys which are nearly ready to chop.

Will my scroggin idea work using 12/12 from seed??

MiKoMi
23-08-11, 08:20 AM
howdy bud, the rhino i grew quite some time back was leggy but I think flowering 12/12 would certain keep them under a foot tall...you would also get differant results from the meduim in those airpots, ie cocco faster then soil or compost

nuube
23-08-11, 01:15 PM
Is the point of scrogging not letting them get the size you want in veg then flipping to 12/12?

I am sure you can do it but would a veg period not be better?

The Fringe
23-08-11, 01:26 PM
Scrogs work best with a longer veg that it will/wont get going 12/12 from the off.
The idea is to veg till most of the screen is full, by going 12/12 from day one, you wont get a lot of coverage.

On top of that, I always top my modular scrogs a few times, & I don't know if thats possible or viable using just a flower sced.
I believe the point of 12/12 from seed is to speed up the whole cycle, & scrogging isn't really "speedy" method, not if you want it to do what it does best.

TF

dirty dude
23-08-11, 01:34 PM
thanks peops, I thought as much but wanted to bounce the idea around to make sure. Was gonna scrog after the hempys with the new screens I made but nvm, Ill do scrog some other time cos I wanna 12/12 these to get a quick bit of xmas smoke going on! :)

dirty dude
14-09-11, 10:17 AM
yay scrog time is here at last!

I set my young rhinos up (3 fem saplings with about 3 or 4 nodes on each) in 3 big air pots using biobizz allmix, havent attached the screens yet but once I decide how to do it then I will, although no rush as the plants are still babies at the mo. I am using 3 homemade screens with 2"x2" holes which I will situate over each pot. The 12/12 idea has been scrapped so will be doing this method with a proper veg and bloom lighting schedule, wish me luck as I am a scroggin virgin about to pop my scrog cherry ;)

The Fringe
14-09-11, 10:40 AM
Nice m8, I am toying with either rhino or medicne man for my next grow.
If you are using seperate screens for each pot, have a look at my pyramid grow below, its how I grow & I use airpots, you may find something that will help you decide how to set it up.

It a great way of growing, & I would be more than interested to see how you get on with the Rhinos, subbed.

All the best,

TF

dirty dude
14-09-11, 11:00 AM
ahh mr zappa, thanks, i thought i recognized your mention of the pyramid grow scrog, Ive looked at it before and posted in there :)
I may well just attach the screens as you have done, that was a similar way i had in mind, as i thought cable ties would be an easy way seeing as there are lots of holes to push the ties through. thx mate.
ps, that galaxy really did fill your screen eh lol :O

The Fringe
14-09-11, 11:18 AM
I used the ties around the pots, not through the holes. That way, if you repot, you can just slide the rods out easyier.
My current scrog project begins this week, I have been vegging a Mount Cook for a few weeks & she goes under this weekend.
I am changing the position of the screen by having the pot at the end of the screen rather than the centre, I am hoping that a watering spike I have "installed" will look after the watering for me :)
I have loose a couple of the mesh squares to allow the bottle to stand vertically, so by having the pot at the end, the bottle shouldnt get in the way too much.
pop over & have a gander this weekend, see what you think.

TF

dirty dude
14-09-11, 05:59 PM
sounds interesting, Ill def wanna check it out :)
how long you reckon ill have to veg my ghs white rhinos for then and what hight would you say I should set the screen to? 8" or higher?

adalicious
19-09-11, 01:14 PM
About 18" from the base of the plants is good, you want to leave room to work as it gets very cramped lol. Time is a bit of a variable as your looking to fill the screen by about 70% before flipping to 12/12. So with a small screen you would be done quicker, but really the whole point is a screen matched to the light to maximise yield. Im using a m2 screen with my 400w and I think Im at the max, and it fills my tent.

Im saving for mr nice's medicine man (white rhino) so Ill be watching this with interest. Its the perfect scrog strain and a big yielder even without a scrog, so this should be awsome:)

dirty dude
19-09-11, 03:57 PM
thanks pal, cant wait to get the screens in there.... ;)

dirty dude
02-10-11, 05:46 PM
just thought Id show you my progress so far. I put the screens in today and started to train them
https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00068-20111002-17181.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/89841/title/img00068-20111002-17181/cat/2728)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/medium/IMG00069-20111002-17191.jpg

Any tips or comments appreciated, they are under the 400w HPS with my homemade scrogging screens, the plant furthest away in the first pic was accidently topped earlier today when I tried to bend the main stem over and under :( but to be honest it will probably help fill the screen with some lateral growth?

dirty dude
13-10-11, 05:17 PM
and these were taken today

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00080-20111013-1656.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/90862/title/img00080-20111013-1656/cat/2728)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00078-20111013-1655.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/90860/title/img00078-20111013-1655/cat/2728)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00079-20111013-1656.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/90861/title/img00079-20111013-1656/cat/2728)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00081-20111013-1656.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/90863/title/img00081-20111013-1656/cat/2728)

The leaves seem a bit yellow to me, or quite a light green.. I gave them a dose of epsom salts but they still seem off colour

Denzil
14-10-11, 03:24 AM
How long did you veg in them 3L airpots?

dirty dude
14-10-11, 07:37 AM
think around a month mate, they were big bushy plants before I put the screens on but after trimming and pruning they look a bit puny lol. dont know if they are 3ltr pots, they have the light blue bases....

EDIT: the plant to the far right of the pic was around 60-70% filled before I flipped but the other two weren't as full, hopefully with the stretch they will still fill the screen up reasonably well?

dirty dude
26-10-11, 09:19 AM
this a.m after a little trimming and tying and now have a nice even canopy https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00091-20111026-0754.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/92099/title/img00091-20111026-0754/cat/2728)

dirty dude
31-10-11, 04:13 PM
This is almost like a diary now but if nobody minds.....

here is another pic today

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00103-20111031-1447.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/92716/title/img00103-20111031-1447/cat/2728)

dirty dude
31-10-11, 04:14 PM
and another https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00104-20111031-1448.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/92717/title/img00104-20111031-1448/cat/2728)

babykayla
01-11-11, 12:23 AM
I don't think anyone minds a good scrog, was thinking bout doing this to my THC Bomb that just came in from herbies yesterday....

dirty dude
01-11-11, 12:37 AM
cheers baby, this is my 1st scrog, just posting the pics hoping someone will say either "oi, youve fucked it right up" or "you doing ok mate keep it up" or whatever, I know the pics arent great but theyre taken using my phone with the hps causing horizontal lines....

Id say go for it with your thc bomb, its an interesting experiment for me, not sure yet wether Ill do it again, all depends on if it gives me a high enough yield to make me excited enough to do it again lol, its just Im growing in a tight space and so far Ive done 1 grow with 4 x 10 ltr plant pots using john innes soil, another grow with 4 x hempy bucket (around 10 ltr each I think) and now 3 x airpot with hempy screen grow, so after this I can decide which method works best for my lil g'room.

Would love to have a go at water farms or oxypot method but I think they would grow far too big for my space :(

babykayla
01-11-11, 04:17 PM
My groom is 4'X8'X6'.6", and my THC Bomb just cracked and popped its head above pea gravel, I'm only growing under a 400watt MH (for veg) and HPS (for flowering), I am going to be LST'ing mine and kinda leaning towards the scrog as I have heard you can boost your yield with a scrog....

babykayla
01-11-11, 04:22 PM
I think they look nice....how high is screen from base of plants? and how big are the screens? looking good tho....

nuube
01-11-11, 07:06 PM
My groom is 4'X8'X6'.6", and my THC Bomb just cracked and popped its head above pea gravel, I'm only growing under a 400watt MH (for veg) and HPS (for flowering), I am going to be LST'ing mine and kinda leaning towards the scrog as I have heard you can boost your yield with a scrog....

AND THEN SOME. I pulled 18Oz off three plants in a scrog before that was only getting a couple of Oz of a plant.

dirty dude
01-11-11, 07:19 PM
baby: my g'room is a walk in wardrobe and size is approx 7-8 ft high, 3ft wide x 1.5ft deep so even smaller space than yours but Ive managed to squeeze 3 big airpots and screens in there hehe, yeh Ive heard you should/can double your usual yield using scrog, I hope I have such luck lol ;)

nuube: what were those three plants, just out of interest?

babykayla
01-11-11, 07:23 PM
AND THEN SOME. I pulled 18Oz off three plants in a scrog before that was only getting a couple of Oz of a plant.
OMG....are you serious? There is that huge of a difference? OK, I'm sold....lol, I had asked a couple times and never really got a str8 answer, HAD I KNOWN...lol

nuube
01-11-11, 07:49 PM
baby: my g'room is a walk in wardrobe and size is approx 7-8 ft high, 3ft wide x 1.5ft deep so even smaller space than yours but Ive managed to squeeze 3 big airpots and screens in there hehe, yeh Ive heard you should/can double your usual yield using scrog, I hope I have such luck lol ;)

nuube: what were those three plants, just out of interest?

They were HammerHead. If you check my link you can see all.

nuube
01-11-11, 07:50 PM
OMG....are you serious? There is that huge of a difference? OK, I'm sold....lol, I had asked a couple times and never really got a str8 answer, HAD I KNOWN...lol

Yeah. I thought it was a hard technique so I avoided it in favour of LST, man I was wrong. I am now doing modular scrogs at the minute but will be back to a proper big scrog for my next grow if all is OK.

dirty dude
01-11-11, 07:52 PM
They were HammerHead. If you check my link you can see all.
yeh I know, just after I asked that I found your diary, very nice mate!! Im in with a chance with my rhinos then hopefully seein as they meant to be high yielding :joint:

The Fringe
01-11-11, 07:56 PM
I have heard you can boost your yield with a scrog....

Indeed.

I agree totally with nuube, Its a rare harvest to get less than 5 off my modular set up, & this year, I'm banking on squeezing 1 more setup into the tent, that should be a minimum of 20 per cycle.
That gives me enough for my needs over an 8 month season, can sit back & chill for the other 4 thinking how to improve it next year.

It's not just the better amounts for me, it's being able to grow a sat Dom next to an Indica & have no issues of light position. By keeping the canopies even, you can grow any plant next to another. Imo, this really is invaluable, it allows me to try so many strains in a much shorter time than if I was tied into a regular grow.

TF

nuube
01-11-11, 10:47 PM
Indeed.

I agree totally with nuube, Its a rare harvest to get less than 5 off my modular set up, & this year, I'm banking on squeezing 1 more setup into the tent, that should be a minimum of 20 per cycle.
That gives me enough for my needs over an 8 month season, can sit back & chill for the other 4 thinking how to improve it next year.

It's not just the better amounts for me, it's being able to grow a sat Dom next to an Indica & have no issues of light position. By keeping the canopies even, you can grow any plant next to another. Imo, this really is invaluable, it allows me to try so many strains in a much shorter time than if I was tied into a regular grow.

TF

Another excellent reason there if you needed it.

Just wish I had the sense of mind to try this when I started growing

babykayla
02-11-11, 12:24 AM
my seeds may have only just cracked but tomorrow I am headed to the home improvement center to make a couple screens, how big should the squares be (god that sounded soo stupid asking...lol)? and there shouldn't be any problem with me LST'ing prior to putting the screen on should there? I mean it seems like it would increase the bud sites also...

babykayla
02-11-11, 12:27 AM
Yeah. I thought it was a hard technique so I avoided it in favour of LST, man I was wrong. I am now doing modular scrogs at the minute but will be back to a proper big scrog for my next grow if all is OK.
Whats a modular scrog? Got a pic of one?

dirty dude
02-11-11, 12:53 AM
Whats a modular scrog? Got a pic of one?its what Im doing baby, just means each pot has its own screen rather than more than one plant sharing a bigun

nuube
02-11-11, 12:56 AM
my seeds may have only just cracked but tomorrow I am headed to the home improvement center to make a couple screens, how big should the squares be (god that sounded soo stupid asking...lol)? and there shouldn't be any problem with me LST'ing prior to putting the screen on should there? I mean it seems like it would increase the bud sites also...

Mine are 1" Squared.



its what Im doing baby, just means each pot has its own screen rather than more than one plant sharing a bigun

^^ What NM said ^^

dirty dude
02-11-11, 01:10 AM
my seeds may have only just cracked but tomorrow I am headed to the home improvement center to make a couple screens, how big should the squares be (god that sounded soo stupid asking...lol)? and there shouldn't be any problem with me LST'ing prior to putting the screen on should there? I mean it seems like it would increase the bud sites also...
I read that the best size for the squares is around 2.5" which is what I made mine at an I used a wood frame with garden wire and panel pins to tie the wire onto and to get the right spacing. The Fringe has been my inspiration, check out his diary's if u havent already, hes a dab hand :)

nuube
02-11-11, 02:49 AM
Mine are 1" Squared.



Make that 2" Square, posted before I measured!!

babykayla
04-11-11, 07:11 PM
Thank you so much, I also read (at another site) that if you scrog you should NOT top because that stunts vertical growth of the side branches....can anyone confirm this?

dirty dude
04-11-11, 07:42 PM
Ive gotta admit, I topped and it didnt work very well for me but maybe this is just down to the strain? cant really comment much as its my 1st scrog, maybe the fringe can though ;)

nuube
04-11-11, 07:53 PM
You don't want to be topping in a scrog you want to ben the main cola around usingthe screen, that's the point - twist the plants to fill the screen!

dirty dude
04-11-11, 08:03 PM
I wont be making the same mistake twice :)

babykayla
10-11-11, 04:03 PM
It doesn't look like I'll be topping then, BUT 2 weeks prior to harvest I will be "cleaving", that seems to increase thc production and fattens up buds cuz it fools the plant into thinking that its getting ready to die and this is the last chance for reproduction (for those not familiar with cleaving, it's when you pierce the primary stalk of the plant and you push a popsickle stick through it and leave it there)....

dirty dude
13-11-11, 05:10 PM
a few more pics, day 27 from first signs of flowers

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00120-20111113-1551.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/93903/title/img00120-20111113-1551/cat/2728)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00122-20111113-1551.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/93905/title/img00122-20111113-1551/cat/2728)

https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/data/2728/IMG00124-20111113-1552.jpg (https://www.thctalk.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/93906/title/img00124-20111113-1552/cat/2728)

After the flush they yellowed even more but I gave them a good feed with 1ml grow per ltr and some bloom at 2ml per ltr plus a couple of capfuls of topmax mixed in to the 5ltr watering can and fed all three, they seem to be perking up a bit now :)

dirty dude
13-11-11, 05:42 PM
^^ that humidity dial in the pics is shit by the way, it always says its between 50 - 60% humidity but the digital hygrometer says its between 30 - 49%

babykayla
28-11-11, 03:09 AM
Those are some gorgeous ladies....careful with adding grow, too much and it could try to go back to veg...

dirty dude
28-11-11, 05:44 PM
Those are some gorgeous ladies....careful with adding grow, too much and it could try to go back to veg... hehe, thanks mate, they looking even better now and probably a week or two left to go till chop :) Yeh Im just sticking to the 1ml of grow per litre as the schedule says, until the flush of course.

DrGreen
30-11-11, 01:48 PM
from my experience mate i scrogged in jackywhite and in 12/12 i trained for 2weeks instead of lwetting therm grow, and i fucked it up as ya not meant to touch them in 122/12 so ya wil do a pointeless struggle,

ya veg them into and spred them into the scrog then flip and let them grow up thru the lmesh,

chek my diary jacky white and ya wil see

The Fringe
30-11-11, 02:14 PM
I continue to feed mine back under the mesh for the first 2 weeks of 12/12, until the fluffly little tops are well on the way.

Never had any issues doing that, check any of my scrog diaries, got great results from them all.

TF

nuube
30-11-11, 02:18 PM
I continue to feed mine back under the mesh for the first 2 weeks of 12/12, until the fluffly little tops are well on the way.

Never had any issues doing that, check any of my scrog diaries, got great results from them all.

TF


+1 I so the same and had a great harvest.

The Fringe
30-11-11, 02:26 PM
You don't want to be topping in a scrog you want to ben the main cola around usingthe screen, that's the point - twist the plants to fill the screen!

Gotta be honest, I top all of mine at least 1 time when I scrog, then you have another leader to manipulate, allowing you to fill the screen sooner.


+1 I so the same and had a great harvest.

Yeah, works nicely doesn't it :)

TF

dirty dude
30-11-11, 07:45 PM
well, whatever I did it seems to have worked out to some extent, I still have some yellowing issues but I have some lovely frosty little buds in there and only about a week to go before my mighty axe gets a bit of swinging practice :) ahh yeeeah!