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    Introduction to ScrOG (Screen of Green)

    "ScrOG" has become a term used for the "Screen of Green" cannabis training technique.

    The purpose*behind Scrogging is to manually change that by putting all the bud on an even layer by bringing the low stuff up (by getting screen good and low) and bringing the main cola down (by oping it via topping), to the canopy.

    The rough pics below illustrate my point.

    Group A - Scrog Examples

    This diagram shows the structure of a proper Scrog

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    These plants have all been scrogged

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    Group B*- These are NOT Scrog!

    This diagram shows the common*structure of cannabis plants under screens which have not been properly scrogged.

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    The following picture has a beautiful under current, but this is not a Scrog. Skeletal support at best, but again, not an example of a real Scrog.

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    Now to break down the main cola and get the plant growing horizontally, I suggest trying my*4-way LST and ScrOG setup*method...

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    Overview of ScrOG Process

    Scrogging, or screen of green, is a form of LST (low stress training) where the main goal is to maximize the footprint of your light.*With standard, Christmas tree style plants, you can only lower the light until it’s close enough to the top cola. ANY bud from there down is getting less light. With a traditional setup, the lower each bud is on the plant, the less light those buds get.*

    The scrog process*is done by dividing, or breaking down the main cola, in conjunction with raising all the lower bud up to the canopy.

    We grow the plant horizontally until we are a few weeks into the Flowering stage.

    This is a key point as many attempts at Scrogging turn out to be merely a skeletal support structures for standard plants, not real Scrogs.

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    A Scrog is when you bring those arms up and run them lengthwise under the screen. All those would-be popcorn buds become real buds because they become part of the canopy and receive direct light.

    Lower buds are brought up to the screen or the screen is lowered, allowing them to become a part of the canopy.

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    This is only a few weeks later, with more than a month left in the flowering stage

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    Now that you've learned how Scrogging works, are you ready to start using*a screen during your next grow?

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    Screen materials

    I have tried pretty much most of the standard things you can use for screen. Below are the 4 main ones used, listed in my order of preference

    1.) STRING*- The very best. Laces up quick and easy and you just snip, snip, snip come harvest time. Throw it away and lace up a new one.

    2.) Twine/hemp cord*- Pretty much the same ease of use as string but you get hairs in the buds from fraying.

    3.) Plastic fencing - works well but is kinda sloppy looking.

    4.) Chicken wire / fishing line - The 2 worst

    Chicken wire is terrible because the buds actually grow into it and you have to “cut” your harvest out. Snipping up chicken wire into a bunch of smaller pieces sucks, you get poked a lot and is an overall nightmare compared to string. Does it work as a screen? Quite well, but chicken wire sucks to remove.

    The fishing line is also bad news as it can cut a stem, arm etc, very quickly and easily. Consider it to be “sharp”. I have only used 12 lb test, I imagine something in the 30+ range might work pretty good though. Avoid any “braided” fishing lines especially

    This is my version of a screen that is both easy to work and re-usable forever. I simply lined a square of 2x4's with eye hooks
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    How To Make Frame

    Making the frame is simple, simply get some lumber and measure it out.*Make a square frame with 2x1 or 2x3 and then add eye hooks, every 2.5" inches

    I tie the cable ties loose around the screen. You*want to anchor it but not restrict it's growth in any way

    Mounting

    Many build feet for their screens. This somewhat limits you.

    I like having screens where the height can be adjusted either by a peg system or some other ingenious way.

    I use shower curtain rods for mine and they work well, but you have to get used to not leaning on the screen or disaster can be right around the corner. To me, it’s worth it not to have legs in the way. It allows more room for “under canopy” cleaning and maintenance.

    How secure are these shower rods?

    You have to get used to not putting pressure on them but they were handy because of all the extra room for cleaning by not having the 4 legs on the screen.*I don't have any problem with the plants lifting up the screen.

    I have a set height now, 4" above the bucket lid, so I just built in stops to rest it on, works great.

    The shower rods were great too though,...cheap, effective and adjustable. Like I said though, the key is to get that screen real low and I think at 4", I've maxxed that.

    Do you have to build the screen to the exact length of the closet?*

    Yes, but it's not THAT exact. It*has about 5 inches of play side to side.

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    Vegetative Stage

    So now that we are all laced up and ready to go, let’s talk about a key element to Scrogging,….Veg time.*

    Topping

    Topping*is a cannabis plant training technique that splits a main cola into two.

    This tutorial is about*setting a plant up for a scrog.*The topping we are doing here is strictly to spread the plant out horizontally and to do that, you need to split that man stalk into 2. That's why we are topping here.*

    By topping, we create more of these arms to spread out across the screen.

    That, to me... is the whole point of a Scrog.

    If I didn't top, I'd have 1 cola higher than the rest, thusly, limiting my light height.

    By topping, that main cola gets pided down the buds are all level on the screen, allowing you to get that light right down on them for nice, even coverage. The expanse of the footprint will limit your height before heat does. (I have a/c lights)

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    The above plant was topped once. This gave me 2 arms to run under the screen, split like a V at the base where I topped the plant.

    I normally build a plant using my 4-way LST tutorial. I grew this one out specifically to illustrate how to run a branch horizontally under the screen. It will have 2 main colas, large, not XL as it was pided once already.

    One more topping (4-way) and that pretty much pides the main into 4 med to med/lrg buds. Perfect.

    As I said, this one was grown specifically so you could see how to grow an arm horizontally. This plant, if you wanted to name it, got "2-way" LST, which basically means it was only topped once. I run 4 plants under a 4x4 screen and top twice (in hydro) (4 times when I ran soil).

    Top any more and you'll get MORE... SMALLER buds.

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    4-way LST - Building the perfect plant for Scrogging

    This style of*LST*(low stress training)*is to increase canopy square footage, not so much to make a plant fuller or bushier although that is definitely another side benefit. This style of LST is very good for ScrOG*grows.

    This method is not possible without topping and is not for*auto-flowering strains*or clones.*Topping*and 4-way LST go hand in hand and it really does help if you have a plant of good genetics, but it works on any and all plants.

    Put simply, what we are doing is taking a plant that wants to grow straight up as 1 main arm and splitting it so it becomes 4 main arms and then we train them to grow horizontally, symmetrically, in preparation to go under the screen. This ensures a proper scrog where you maximize the footprint of your light to cover a perfect blanket of bud.

    First thing you do is*plant a seed.

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    After your seed has sprouted, you will have a young marijuana seedling.

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    Let your seedling continue to grow until the first set of full leaves have*formed (5-leaf in this case).

    When the 5th leaf set starts to come up between the 4th set be prepared to begin topping, Let them (5th set) get about 1/4-1/2 inch and then squeeze the base and pluck them, both at once and this is what will be left with.

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    Soon, you'll see the new growth.

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    The 2 new main branches will grow and thicken.

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    Now let it grow out a bit. During this time, I like to keep a fan right on the plant, lots of movement, building that main stem nice and thick and you'll soon have a top view like this.

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    Now let it grow out a bit. During this time, I like to keep a fan right on the plant, lots of movement, building that main stem nice and thick and you'll soon have a top view like this.

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    Now, normally, this plant would consist of 1 main with 2 secondaries coming out the sides. By topping it, we create 2 mains and by LST'ing those down, we allow those secondaries to come up and be full blown colas. So the 2 mains you creat from topping, plus the 2 secondaries gives you a "4-way" plant. You can clearly see above, how this plant is now "symmetrical"

    For the next step, you'll need 4 "U" shaped spikes. I used clothes hanger wire like the one below*(or anything that will hold down the 4 arms like you see in the pics, remember, get creative, be resourceful, making your grow your own isn't a bad thing)

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    Gently fold down one of the 4 mains and spike it in place. When you do the other 3, make sure there is equal pressure on all 4 so the main stem isn't getting pulled in any 1 direction.

    You want that center stalk to be straight up and down. The arrows below show where the clothes hangar spikes are.

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    In a day or so, she'll look like this

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    Now it's time to do some topping again. All those nice new sprouts coming out of the middle of each arm......pull 'em! Everything DOUBLES again!! (below)

    I personally stop here.*I am leaving the rest of this tutorial up so people can see what you get if you keep topping.*

    One thing we need to understand is that when you "top", you are dividing*that main cola into 2 cola's. They will not be of the same size the original one would have been but that's ok, the 2 will weigh more than the 1 because of the increased leaf surface area getting direct access to the light. (explained better in the*scrog tutorial*below)

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    *Based on size of ScrOG, stop topping and give plants a week before switching to 12/12

    But for scrogging purposes and the size of my screens, this is the point where we stop topping and give them a good week before switching to 12/12. From there, we continue on with the*Scrog tutorial.

    Additional topping CAN be of benefit to the few out there who are EXTREMELY limited height wise, but be warned, each time you top, you divide*again so each time, you decrease the size of the buds.

    Now let's explore how the plant develops if you continue to top past the previous*picture

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    First, you let it grow for a bit. Keep topping now about every 3rd set on the new stuff.

    Let her start to grow vertically a bit. When she has a little height, LST again!!

    I should have used the 6 or 9 gallon feed bucket for this plant. It's shallower but wide. With this plant, I used the rim and the soil to anchor her down for the 2nd round of LST.

    Here are some shots showing her vertical growth and a few close-ups to show how I used the rim and soil to spike her.

    This time around, there should be 12-16 branches to fold down (remember, you've been dividing / "piding" and piding and piding )

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    And here is what she'll look like when she's all bent down

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    And here she is a a few hours later, already*recovered.

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    Now below is an illustration of how the growth changes exponentially with each topping and lst treatment. The 2 combined build a plant that is low in height and full.

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    Before the 2nd LST,*18-19 bud sites

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    and AFTER the 2nd LST, the plant has 29-31 bud sites

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    Question:*I broke a branch, what do I do?

    I broke a stem doing this today =/ but that's ok. What's the best way to repair this? So far I just gave it support and now I think I'm going to try Zip tying it.

    Answer:*I like to use duct tape to mend broken stems. Either that or just make it a cutting (clone)*and move along! Good luck!

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    Question:*What would happen if I FIM'ed rather than topped at the beginning stages of growth (In terms of bud production)?

    Answer:*Not much difference. You would get*2 more tops but I wouldn't do it on purpose. If you top the plant, as described in this tutorial, the middle of the plant will fill the extra space with all those minor arms coming up.

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    Question:*Is it too late to top?

    My plants*have been veging for 4 weeks already... Is TOPPING still necessary? All my plants are far past*the 5th leaf they are more like on the 10th leaf. Is it to late for me*to top my plants? Can I*do the scrog without topping or should I just not do scrog with this grow?

    Answer:*It's not necessary but highly recommended to top. You can top any time during veg but to follow this particular technique, you need to do it as early as possible. You CAN still scrog but you'd probably be better off just growing it out and trying with the next one.

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    Question:*How long should you spend in the vegetative stage when growing under a Scrog screen?

    Answer:*Veg time varies greatly mainly with method, and how well your plants respond to the topping/training process in your setup.

    With Hydro, it’s much shorter. I used to veg 6-8 weeks in soil and now in hydro, that’s cut in half.

    Here's a general rule to follow: the screen should be no higher than 8” above the medium or plant base. You then fill your screen during the stretch by tucking (that’s coming) all those arms into the empty voids.

    Important: In Scrog, the screen should not be more than 8" above the base of the plant. Instead of letting plants grow tall, you must use tucking to "fill in" your screen during the flowering stretch.

    The truth is, the length of time spent in the vegetative stage is something you just have to play with to really learn. You need to gain the experience of actually running a screen that could have taken more plant to fill (needed more veg time) and also running one that is too crowded.

    Once you get these experiences under your belt, you’ll really have a feel for veg time. You must tailor the veg time according to how many plants you're growing and how big the screen is. Sorry I can’t help more on this category, but this is the one you have to*do*to learn.*

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    This is where the first part of the tutorial*ends. Get them under the screens and check out my*Scrogging Method*tutorial below. This is*a cumulative step-by-step Scrog tutorial*with advice from a few of the guru’s. Now that it's been compiled, you can see the golden standard for those looking to scrog properly.

    Believe it or not but the majority of the screens out there now*are not*scrogs, they are skeletal systems for standard plants. What we do is highly different and very specific with an amazing result. With Scrog, it really matters what you do in the flowering stage!

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    Flowering Stage

    We grow the plant horizontally*until we are a few weeks into the Flowering stage. This is important!*

    Until A Few Weeks Into the Flowering Stage,*Use Tucking to*Keep Plants Growing Horizontally*Under*the Screen

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    This is a key point as many attempts at Scrogging turn out to be merely a skeletal support structures for standard plants, not real Scrogs.

    Tucking

    Tucking is easy but takes care. ALWAYS TUCK SLOWLY AND CAUTIOUSLY

    This is what I mean by tucking:

    While those arms are stretching, you allow each one to grow up and through a square in the screen. I like to get them about 2”-3” above the screen and then I GENTLY, pull it below the screen and move it to the next square away.

    You continue to do this all throughout the stretch, …continuing until about 2-3 weeks into the Flowering Stage.

    Remember, you are controlling where that arm is going by moving it 1 square at a time. You can change your mind tomorrow if you see the need for it.

    The screen takes constant manipulating until the last stretch is over but once it's done, so are your Scrogging duties.

    To obtain maximum control don't be afraid to work add more bondage if needed. Zip ties are awesome and can be easily cut out with the fiskars pruners later.

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    This is the final result, what you are looking for. You want a 6-8" bud above the screen when the stretch is done.



    At this point, your Scrogging duties are over! You just let your beauties finish flowering.

    Hope it helps
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