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    great article, very well written
    i use biobizz myself here in the UK and have nothing but wonderful things to say about them
    i have used them since i started growing and having tried different nutrients i always come back to them.
    i will say the biobizz feeding charts are actually pretty good if you use biobizz soils, with other soil you will need to make adjustments but with all mix and light mix you can pretty much follow it to the letter, with great results.

    i strongly disagree with not PH adjusting water in soil though
    when i mix full strength biobizz grow solution, my water PH will drop to 4.8 which the soil cannot buffer without causing issue for some plants.
    most will take it, some will hate it but i find none thrive without adjustment
    however it is very important to use the absolute bear minimum of adjustment solution required
    i adjust my water which is going into soil to anywhere between 6.2 and 6.7 wherever it falls after adjusting
    though it is very important that if mistakes are made during adjustment that the solution is disposed of responsibly (usually on the lawn for me)
    if you go past the ideal range then do not adjust again to bring back down or up. start over as adding the PH adjusters just adds more salt to the mixture.
    i feel like this was important to raise as i've noticed that not adjusting the PH has in the past caused some stress for my plants, where as now I adjust every nute solution to a range of 6.2 - 6.7 with ideal results.

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    Thank you for the post + all comments. Very useful for a first-time grower.
    Adjusting for pH seems like cheap insurance to me!
    As for hard water, I'm in a very hard water area so starting to think I should switch my nutrients.
    Frustrating as I can't return the BioBizz starter pack... tempted to just use Tesco Ashbeck Spring Water (£1.20 per 5L) to get around the hard water issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asktheory View Post
    Thank you for the post + all comments. Very useful for a first-time grower.
    Adjusting for pH seems like cheap insurance to me!
    As for hard water, I'm in a very hard water area so starting to think I should switch my nutrients.
    Frustrating as I can't return the BioBizz starter pack... tempted to just use Tesco Ashbeck Spring Water (£1.20 per 5L) to get around the hard water issue.
    I live in a very hard water area too asktheory..and I mixed my tap water with Tesco Ashbeck Spring Water at a 50-50 ratio on a previous grow, MUCH better results than straight out of the tap, and I was using the biobizz line

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    I use bio bizz and my last soil auto grow was my best ever.
    I use bio grow, bloom, root, heaven, top max and algmic. I'm gonna spray with overgrow as well once a week on my next soil grow.
    I never used too ph in soil because I thought it was unnecessary. I started too ph too around 6.5 or slightly lower. I can see the difference.
    My starting tap water is about 7.8. By the time I added bio bizz range it goes too around 7.1.

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    Hi all, I am currently mid grow week 9ish using bio all mix and the bio nutes.
    Mainly fish mix bloom and alga, I have been going crazy trying to figure out why my plant is turning yellow and not taking up any nutrients.

    Looking at this map I am in a very hard water location.

    I have put days in to making sure the environment is perfect reading my ec levels in and pH run off out and really could not get any answers until I stumbled on to this post.

    Is there any way of saving my grow? The plant hasn't grown in a week and nothing I do is having any effect if anything it's getting worse.

    Leaves are starting to show a calmag deficiency but I can't get any nutrients to her.

    Any advice on this would be amazing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Lightyear View Post
    This is in response to a lot of posts I see regarding the use of Bio Bizz nutes & compost here in the Uk.....

    Lets see if I can clear up some of the confusion regarding the Bio-bizz nutrient range. Firstly you need to understand that when we grow using compost for our medium we need to look at the whole picture in terms of our plants requirements in the way of nutrition and where it's going to come from. The nutes we choose is only part of the picture, you have to take into consideration the nutrient content of the compost and the water you use for mixing your nutrient solution. Bio-bizz nutrients are manufactured in Holland and are mostly formulated around their water which is very soft across most of the country, it contains very little in the way of mineral salts. Here in the Uk the water quality varies massively from hard to very soft, i've seen Ec's that range from 0 in parts of Scotland north to 0.9 in London south, this usually means that some supplementation will be required to replace some minerals in affected areas, see water quality chart below. This is why you see so many different results when using Bio-bizz in the Uk it's mainly down to regional variations in water quality.



    Lets look at compost and what it does and what we require from it. Compost comes in many variations in terms of consistency and its pre loaded nutrient content. When choosing a compost you have to consider how much additional feed & supplementation is going to be required based on what it contains and the stage of growth your plants are at. You need to decide how much control you want over your feeding regime, if you want full control over feeding then you want a very lightly fertilised compost like Plant magic soil supreme, Bio-bizz light mix or even a multi purpose seedling compost. If you dont want to start feeding from the off then you want a compost that already contains enough nutrients for a few weeks, a general purpose compost like B&Q verve. Keep away from composts that are recommended for hanging baskets and planters as these often contain some form of water retaining ingredient which hinders the drying. You want to be running a wet & dry cycle when feeding/watering compost the quicker it dries the quicker you can water again.

    Nutes & compost are just tools that are needed to grow our plants, we need to learn how to use and adapt them to our plants requirements based on the compost & water quality being used. Bio Bizz are essentially organic nutes, these type of nutes need to be used in harmony with the compost.
    Your compost is alive, yes it contains millions of little helpful fellas know as the micro herd, these little guys are busy consuming organic matter that is in the compost and the nutes we pour in. They turn the nutes and organic matter into a usable form that can then easily pass into the root system. The plants can't use organic nutes directly like they do with chem nutes they depend on this complex interaction between nutes, water and oxygen for the magic to work. Now the thing is, going back to Bio bizz nutes, they are a 2 part nutrient system that consists of grow and bloom components, the grow contains mainly N and the micro elements and the bloom contains mainly PK & molasses, these nutes are meant to be used in conjunction with each other in the bloom phase so you maintain your micros throughout flowering. To me this seems to be a bit of a strange configuration given most 2 part nutes have a dedicated bottle for veg and another for bloom, this is where most folks fall foul of the Bio bizz curse. Another thing with Bio bizz is that they have changed their formula a few times in recent years and charts to match, some folks will be going off the old charts which causes further issues, they also give different guides for light mix and all mix. These charts ain't worth a shit they have no relevance to all the various composts available and water variations here in the Uk. That goes for all grow charts regardless of manufacturer, for example canna coco A&B are probably the best out there for coco grows but the feed chart is a load of rubbish, you have got to tailor the feeds to your own situation and what the plants are asking for. Worth mentioning also is Ph, for some reason people read these forums and see the hydro guys talking about Ph adjustment and jump to the conclusion that Ph adjustment is necessary for all types of growing, well if you are growing in the Uk using the water from your tap then there is absolutely no need to adjust Ph when growing in compost, the micro herd in a well balanced compost is more than capable of buffering the Ph to where it needs to be easily....

    My conclusion is this...If you're in the uk and want to grow organically or just in compost generally then don't use Bio bizz nutes go for Plant magic old timers grow and bloom, one bottle for veg and another for bloom its designed and formulated to work with Uk water and is a piece of piss to use.
    I recommend it for use with most lightly to medium loaded composts with the exception of all mix which in my opinion is way to hot and takes the control away from the grower.

    Regards BL
    Anyone want to share there grow schedule for using plant magic please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UkMedicalGrower View Post
    Months late I know but how do you go about it mate? Have some issues could need help with

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    Nice one! For me that was great info as I planned on using the BioBizz light to start off and then allmix once established, using their nutes range also. After reading that I will go with the BioBizz light mix and use the plant magic nutes as you have suggested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hindu# View Post
    Nice one! For me that was great info as I planned on using the BioBizz light to start off and then allmix once established, using their nutes range also. After reading that I will go with the BioBizz light mix and use the plant magic nutes as you have suggested.

    I cant grumble at Biobizz nutes as my first grow with them that looked proper dodgy, gave me 14 oz.. but I suffered something, the plants looked in a right state of distress but made it to the end, I had my water tested and now use Growers Ark nutes for soft water and will not really know how much better they are untill I am in about week 4-5 of 12/12 as that is when my problems started with my first and second grow, second grow I used Plagron nutes and their compost, royal mix, same plants as in the previous grow as I took cuts and the yeild was only 4 oz.. now on my 3rd grow and already the guys here have sorted me out on a problem plant I was having, simple thing like adjusting the ph of the feed before application, so I can't slate biobizz due to the good 1st grow results but they did take the ph down of my water quite considerably same with the Plagron and best thing I have ever done is ph my feed, ensure its going in at around 6.5 to 6.8, though according to a biobizz video I watched, the guy reckons adjusting the ph so it goes in at 7.3 which he said was the sweet spot.

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    Best take my original post with a pinch of salt now folks..The original post is 8 years old and most likely outdated by now.....They have probably changed the formula/recipe more than once by now same also goes for Plant magic. The biggest mistake folks where making with Bio-Bizz organic soil nutes is it is or it was a 2 part nutrient system which meant you needed to add the grow component in conjunction with the bloom during the flowering stage. Some folks where using it thinking it was grow for veg and bloom for flower as is the case for most nutes but not Bio-Bizz. Best keep away from the all mix its way too hot for seedlings and young plants...Light mix will give you much more control over your feeding regime no matter what nutes you want to use..


    ETA Worth noting...Some of these proclaimed organic nutes now contain synthetic elements. Some of the grow chart guides from some manufactures now make reference to pH adjustment. Best to check what it says on the bottle..True organic nutes along a decent compost and tap water @ around 7pH should NOT need any pH amendment whatsoever


    Regards BL

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