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    understanding the law on cannabis.
    it come's under a drugs ACT.(statute law)

    the definition of statute is

    Before a statute becomes law in some countries, it must be agreed upon by the highest executive in the government, and finally published as part of a code. In many countries, statutes are organized in topical arrangements (or "codified") within publications called codes, such as the United States Code. In the United States, statutory law is distinguished from and subordinate to constitutional law.

    It is important to realise that a statute in and of itself is not a law de jure but merely de facto. It is a legislated rule of a society which has been given the force of law, by consent of the governed. There is speculation as to whether consent of the governed is given by the democratic process, or whether it is required in each individual case--such as by contracting with courts or police officers, whether directly or indirectly.


    it is only law when you agree to it being law!


    if you do not know your rights then its seen as you have none.

    people need to learn to say no . to search warrents police stops ect. they are all unlawfull

    how can a COMPANY have any power over you unless you give them it

    here's the proof that they are operating as a company !!
    https://smallbusiness.dnb.com/ePlatf...untry=GB#goTop

    they are knowing as a public body ( definition of public body is )

    Quango or qango is an acronym (variously spelt out as quasi non-governmental organisation, quasi-autonomous non-governmental organisation, and quasi-autonomous national government organisation) used notably in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia and elsewhere to label colloquially an organisation to which government has devolved power. In the United Kingdom the official term is "non-departmental public body" or NDPB.


    we assume they are laws so we agree with these company and allow then to steal from us and do what they please

    its all in the words they use.
    peace ...

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    read something against this before and it confuses me

    so basicaly if the police come and try and arrest you for growing weed you just so no piss off its not against the law?
    and its only law if i agree to it and i dont, then they have to go? is that right?
    confused
    would like to know too cus if this works ill be glad to tell them to fuck off if they come here

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    This sounds very cool if true, but would it work in reality? Can anyone substantiate this or is it just wishful thinking?

    Do we not automatically allow the government to make these decisions by voting them in? It seems a bit of a small argument that on a website they class themselves as a business in order to subscribe to said website, methinks we might lose this argument...

    Hazza, you seem well read and I don't mean to shoot you down but does anyone have a law background on this kind of thing? When they bash down your door with a ram, arrest you in bed and trash your house, I don't see much space for you to say 'stop a second lads, you're actually classed as a company so take these handcuffs off me and get out please, oh and leave the copious amounts of ganja here as I don't agree with what you're doing!'

    Of course, if it is true, I'd be the first to tell them where to go.

    I'm gonna see if I can research this effectively, I'd love to catch them out on a loop-hole!

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    does it really make any difference.

    get stopped with a pound of weed an no matter how much you try and say "its not the true law,i disagree, you cant do shit" you'll soon find yurself in cuffs and leg restraints being chucked in the back of a wagon.

    its the majority V the minority. They say its law so it is. tuff titty's, the old bill being a company or not, is not gonna stop em nickin you.

    shame tho'. nice try.

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    Regarding my previous post, on further investigation, I seemingly stand WELL corrected, anyone reading this thread get on this Now. This is the way forward on so many levels, not just the worries of getting caught.

    On that vein though, it does seem to immune you from any drug related prosecutions and then some! But I hope this is all legit, as it seems to be, otherwise I'll feel a bit of a mug on here...

    Seems that on the event of your parents registering your birth, they're signing you into being an employee (no lie) of the government in which you agree by unspoken contract to do as you're told and follow every 'law' they throw at you. The only laws, by they're own reckoning around the time of the magna carta and still in effect today, that are actually arrestable without your consent are derivatives of stealing, causing harm or loss to others and disrupting the peace!! These are common law and not Statute laws the latter of which we literally do have to consent to if we make a particular affidavit to a court to give up your NI no. and state your rights as a freeman-on-the-land, which can include invoicing the police a bill for inconveniencing you by your arrest and charging silly rates per hour for however long they inhibit your rights as a freeman!

    Damn I've twittered on sorry guys but Hazza, youve just changed the world for more believers in actual freedom and for the better. As long as it is all true of course which, F**k, it seems to be.

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    if u hand in your ni u cant work or b on the dole cant get a house or a bank account,so whats the point.yu'll be skint living in a doorway.
    more info req me tinks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazza View Post

    [B][I][U][SIZE="4"]It is important to realise that a statute in and of itself is not a law de jure but merely de facto. It is a legislated rule of a society which has been given the force of law, by consent of the governed. There is speculation as to whether consent of the governed is given by the democratic process, or whether it is required in each individual case--such as by contracting with courts or police officers, whether directly or indirectly.
    Dont mean to burst your guys bubble, but read the rest of the paragraph. It says we the governed, consent to a rule in society and we give this consent to either the democratic process or the police and courts, directly or indirectly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Goblin View Post
    Dont mean to burst your guys bubble, but read the rest of the paragraph. It says we the governed, consent to a rule in society and we give this consent to either the democratic process or the police and courts, directly or indirectly.
    that mean that if you do not know your rights you have none! they will decide !

    if you open your mouth and speak for yourself then you have rights ! they do apply!

    directly or indirectly.
    a police man normaly asks your name and address !

    when u give this you gave consent ! you agree

    it us all contract laws paper work they need your signature to have a contract between you and them when they ask you to sign there paper work you have agreed to there contract !

    if you say no i wont sign that they can NOT force you !
    and they have no contract !they have nothing to take you to court with !

    check out the anti terrorist on youtube or john harris ! robert menard! www.tpuc.org

    time to wake up folks and see the truth we can say no !
    iv had mates in court challengin the judge on jurisdiction ect! this stuff does work!

    hope this helps a ltlle research is the key dont take my word for it !

    its your own duty to know your rights!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazza View Post
    that mean that if you do not know your rights you have none! they will decide !

    if you open your mouth and speak for yourself then you have rights ! they do apply!

    directly or indirectly.
    a police man normaly asks your name and address !

    when u give this you gave consent ! you agree

    it us all contract laws paper work they need your signature to have a contract between you and them when they ask you to sign there paper work you have agreed to there contract !

    if you say no i wont sign that they can NOT force you !
    and they have no contract !they have nothing to take you to court with !

    check out the anti terrorist on youtube or john harris ! robert menard! www.tpuc.org

    time to wake up folks and see the truth we can say no !
    iv had mates in court challengin the judge on jurisdiction ect! this stuff does work!

    hope this helps a ltlle research is the key dont take my word for it !

    its your own duty to know your rights!
    peace
    Hi Hazza,

    nice to see the well informed giving all us corporations a helping hand to see we have a choice. You seem wel informed about this freeman thing....do you have any examples that you have used with the police because as far as i am aware you can be arrested for not giving your name and address under an act that was passed in 2005.

    For example could I say, to the police I am not Mr Green Goblin but I am interested in their affairs and you can refer to ma as Green if it helps you....

    Sorry, I have just started to read up on all this and to say it can be confusing is a understatement!!!

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    you would be knowing as ... green from the goblin family

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    I've been reading a lot into this... basically, it's as follows:
    - The UK is governed by common law, this means that you aren't obliged to accept any acts, statutes or anything other than the "law".
    - The "LAW" which is "Common Law" states that it can only be in power if you 1. cause harm to another (physical or mental) 2. cause loss to another (stealing etc) 3. breaching the peace (police are breaching your piece of they insist on harassing) 4. cause mischief in your contracts (how they get you if you don't follow their rules)
    - For any act to be in power, you must first agree to this, if you give your NAME or ADDRESS then you engage in the contract (so don't).
    - Your NAME isn't really who you are, it's what your parents gave you and put on your birth certificate. On your birth certificate it says that it's not to be used as identity, so you can't be associated with this NAME unless you enter a contract, linking your NAME to your BEING.
    - If they try and get you with any of this "Are you refusing to give your name" stuff, then just say "I'm not obliged to answer that question". Then proceed to tell that you believe they are harassing you and that in 5 minutes you will start charging them £1000 per hour for your time. When the 5 minute mark approaches, offer to write up a contract so you can charge them £1000 per hour, if they decline then they are breaching your peace and THEY are liable for harassment.

    Search: FMOTL, Freeman-of-the-land for more information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver9876 View Post
    I've been reading a lot into this... basically, it's as follows:
    - The UK is governed by common law, this means that you aren't obliged to accept any acts, statutes or anything other than the "law".
    Nonsense. Statute law is perfectly valid and binding, and does not require your consent in any way. Unless, that is, you can provide actual, legal documentary evidence otherwise. Not just the tripe being posted by FOTLers.

    Also, define 'common law'. And I mean the true common law, not the FOTL definition, which is actually closer to 'natural law', and which has no legal standing.

    ProTip: A lot of statute law is simply the codification of the real common law, which was basically legal precedent being set on a case-by-case basis.

    - The "LAW" which is "Common Law" states that it can only be in power if you 1. cause harm to another (physical or mental) 2. cause loss to another (stealing etc) 3. breaching the peace (police are breaching your piece of they insist on harassing) 4. cause mischief in your contracts (how they get you if you don't follow their rules)
    More nonsense. Unless you can provide current legal documentation which says otherwise.

    For any act to be in power, you must first agree to this, if you give your NAME or ADDRESS then you engage in the contract (so don't).
    The nonsense is great with this one...

    Statute law applies to everyone. If you don't agree to the law then you must remove yourself, physically, from its jurisduction. By remaining in a country you implicitly accept its legal system. Don't like it? Move elsewhere (and accept their system).

    Your NAME isn't really who you are, it's what your parents gave you and put on your birth certificate. On your birth certificate it says that it's not to be used as identity, so you can't be associated with this NAME unless you enter a contract, linking your NAME to your BEING.
    More nonsense. There is no legal basis whatsoever to this line of thought.

    If they try and get you with any of this "Are you refusing to give your name" stuff, then just say "I'm not obliged to answer that question".
    Actually, you are obliged to under most circumstances.

    Then proceed to tell that you believe they are harassing you and that in 5 minutes you will start charging them £1000 per hour for your time.
    And watch them laugh at you before arresting or charging you.

    When the 5 minute mark approaches, offer to write up a contract so you can charge them £1000 per hour, if they decline then they are breaching your peace and THEY are liable for harassment.
    No, they are not. You are much more likely to end with with a charge of obstruction against you.

    Search: FMOTL, Freeman-of-the-land for more information.
    Yes, you should definitely do that. But make sure you read actual, legal stuff. Not the woo being peddled by Richard Menard and his cronies and followers. Menard makes a lot of money out by fooling people into buying his nonsense.


    I challenge you to find one documented case where any of this FOTL woo has actually worked in a legal situation.

    And, if you truly believe the woo, I challenge you to drive at 100 MPH, in an untaxed, uregistered, and uninsured vehicle, whilst smoking a spliff, and crash into a police car. Tell them what you claim above and let us know how that works out for you, eh?

    Oh, and I suppose you don't hide your grow, and have cannabis plants in your front garden too, do you?

    No?

    Thought not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymiss View Post
    And, if you truly believe the woo, I challenge you to drive at 100 MPH, in an untaxed, uregistered, and uninsured vehicle, whilst smoking a spliff, and crash into a police car. Tell them what you claim above and let us know how that works out for you, eh?
    Well obviously that wouldn't work as you're endangering other people's lives, and causing mental and physical harm to the people inside the police car, including destroying their property.

    I saw what you wrote and I challenge you to PROVE me wrong, I don't gain anything by reassuring myself of my facts. Because the police tell you these things you really believe that to be correct? Wake up to the corruption and think for yourself, ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver9876 View Post
    Well obviously that wouldn't work as you're endangering other people's lives, and causing mental and physical harm to the people inside the police car, including destroying their property.
    Why pick just one thing to reply to, and ignore all the others? Is it because you have absolutely nothing to back up your statements? I can't say I'm surprised though, it's typical of the FOTLers.

    But it's OK, we can work with that.

    Ignore the 100 MPH bit. How about you just cruise around at a sensible speed until you find a police car, and then pull over (still smoking your spliff) and go have a chat with them? Make sure you tell them that you have no MOT, tax, licence, or insurance, and that your vehicle is unregistered.

    Or do you tax and insure your vehicle? Maybe it is registered with the DVLA, and does have an MOT? Perhaps you do have a driver's licence? If so, why? Surely they are all optional, aren't they?

    Oh, and what about your grow? Is that on public display? How about you call up the police and invite them round to see it? Or maybe just wander down to the local police staton with a big bag of weed and a fat spliff burning away in your hand.

    You obviously won't be arrested, or charged, will you? You can simply refuse to contract with them!

    And if by some miracle you do happen to get arrested, then if you do find yourself in court you can just say the magic FOTL words and the judge will have to dismiss the case, won't he?

    If your claims really are true, none of this will be a problem, will it?

    I saw what you wrote and I challenge you to PROVE me wrong, I don't gain anything by reassuring myself of my facts. Because the police tell you these things you really believe that to be correct? Wake up to the corruption and think for yourself, ok?
    Your 'facts' are nothing of the sort. They are a complete pack of lies, with absolutely no legal basis. (I'm not saying that you're lying intentionally, but you are very, very wrong if you think what you posted is true.)

    And, you are using a fallacious argument, specifically you are "shifting the burden of proof".

    The burden of proof is on the person asserting something. Shifting the burden of proof is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion. So, when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove him wrong.

    I make no unusual claims. You do. Where is your evidence or proof that these claims are correct?

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    Seeing as I'm waiting for a server to reimage and I'm bored, here are some examples which show that the FOTL woo doesn't work:

    Two men are arrested and charged with growing cannabis, they claim to be freemen on the land but the courts state that they have "no personal circumstances applying to them which affords immunity to prosecution" and that there was "no legal significance" to the term 'freeman on the land' and that they would be tried anyway. Link...

    Freeman Mark of the family Bond gets arrested after refusing to recognise the court and giving police his notice of intent but gets a suspended 3 month jail sentence anyway, on condition that he pays off his debt. Link...

    Mika Rasila gets stopped by the police for not having a licence plate. He tells them that he doesn't consent to their laws and that he isn't an employee of the 'corporation of Canada'. It doesn't work and they arrest him and impound his van. A judge later gives him a fine of $1,250. Link...

    Freeman Darren Pollard gets arrested despite telling the police officer he doesn't consent or contract. Not surprisingly it fails and they take him in to custody anyway. Link...

    Darren Pollard gets arrested again after refusing to appear in court despite trying to claim that he was 'Darren of the family Pollard' and not the legal fiction of Darren Pollard they were looking for. Link...

    A Freewoman user 'girlgye' recollects her account of being arrested for not having road tax or car insurance and having her 'conveyance' impounded. This in spite of all the freeman woo she tried. She was later sentenced to 14 days in HMP Styal women's prison for contempt when she attempted to defend herself using more freeman woo. Link...

    Canadian Ian Freeman (AKA Ian Bernard) arrested, tried and jailed for 93 days for dumping a couch. Within seconds of his trial commencing, he was rearrested and hand-cuffed for refusing to sit down when asked. He has since attempted using the freeman woo while defending a parking ticket. Link...

    James-Michael: Tesi arrested. After refusing to pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt, he flooded the court with woo-woo documents basically refusing to pay. The court ignored this, and issued an arrest warrant. A police officer pulled him over, which resulted in gunfire and Tesi being wounded. Link...

    Your turn. Can you provide some examples showing that FOTL woo does actually work?

    ETA: Sorry, some of the links are old and don't work, but search the names and cases and you should find them.
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    This is a thread on law on cannabis anonymiss troll?

    I say "NO" to being governed by your corrupt government it's that simple.

    No consent No contact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceni Seeds View Post
    I say "NO" to being governed by your corrupt government it's that simple.
    Be sure to tell that to the police and the judge if the time ever comes, (and I sincerely hope it doesn't ever come to that; I wouldn't wish it on anyone).

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    I'm all up for that, but the law does not require your consent.

    In my view, the law on cannabis is wrong and unfair, but that won't stop TPTB applying it to anyone they choose.

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    This thread

    You live in this country and laws are in place to make society run in an orderly fashion. I totally disagree with cannabis being illegal but it is and I have to deal with it. You cants suddenly say 'I dont abide by your laws, who are you to tell me what I can and cant do?', even though I agree, it just isn't valid.

    If you get busted then you get punished because your are breaking the law of the land. If you disagree with the law, either fight to get it changed via protest or litigation or simply move out this country and go to Spain, Netherlands or Switzerland for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceni Seeds View Post
    This is a thread on law on cannabis anonymiss troll?
    It's a thread on the nonsense that is FOTL, nothing to do with the law regarding cannabis I'm afraid


    Quote Originally Posted by Iceni Seeds View Post
    I say "NO" to being governed by your corrupt government it's that simple.

    If you really believe that then why do you have a Disclaimer on your seed site? Surely you don't need a Disclaimer as the Misuse of Drugs Act is an act of Parliament and you don't consent to it, so why do you have the Disclaimer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Goblin View Post
    Hi Hazza,

    nice to see the well informed giving all us corporations a helping hand to see we have a choice. You seem wel informed about this freeman thing....do you have any examples that you have used with the police because as far as i am aware you can be arrested for not giving your name and address under an act that was passed in 2005.

    For example could I say, to the police I am not Mr Green Goblin but I am interested in their affairs and you can refer to ma as Green if it helps you....

    Sorry, I have just started to read up on all this and to say it can be confusing is a understatement!!!
    this has happened to me a few times,whats your name,were you goinig etc,i always questin there questins then end up cuffed up then in a cell until they know who i am

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