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    Thumbs up Official all things WATERFARM thread!

    THE WATERFARM THREAD..

    an excellent, easy introduction to hydroponic farming for all..


    due to increasing popularity, amount of new waterfarm grows and questions popping up, and the amount of PM's im getting (!) i think it best to have an official waterfarm thread.

    please feel free to dicuss all things WATERFARM related in here.. questions, tips, modifications, techniques etc..

    first off.. what's a waterfarm?

    Aqua & WaterFarm







    An excellent introduction to hydroponics


    The AquaFarm is the first hydroponic “home unit”, created more than 25 years ago by Lawrence Brooke, in California. Since 1975, thousands of these remarkable units have been sold worldwide, bringing satisfaction to their owners and growing thousands of beautiful, healthy plants.

    These pots have several applications: in nurseries or indoor gardens for mother plants and collectibles, in the house for decorative or culinary plants of all sizes, or in the kitchen for aromatic herbs to use fresh while cooking.
    They are used in research laboratories and universities and even in schools where studying plants growing hydroponically fills children and adults with wonder

    You can place them everywhere, in a sitting room, an office, a veranda or a greenhouse.

    Technically similar to the AquaFarm, the WaterFarm differs only in size and price. Plants are grown within a chamber filled with clay pebbles. The growing chamber is suspended above a reservoir filled with nutrient-enriched water. An air pump drives the nutrient solution up through the “pumping column”, to the drip-ring, where it then drips down through clay pebbles. This infuses the nutrient with oxygen and constantly bathes the roots, stimulating the plant to grow like you have never seen before.

    Often copied but never equalled, these 2 systems provide top performance while being also reliable, easy to use and inexpensive.
    Will grow 1 to 6 plants per pot, depending on the size of your plants.

    For each AquaFarm, WaterFarm or AeroFarm bought you are entitled to the Tripack at an ultra-promotional price (-70%). Enquire with your supplier.

    AquaFarm
    L = 45,5 cm – W = 45,5 cm – H = 43 cm
    Effective capacity = 35 Litres

    WaterFarm
    L = 30,5 cm – W = 30,5 cm – H = 37 cm
    Effective capacity = 12 Litres


    you'll notice it doesnt mention above you can grow HUGE 10oz + plants in them very quickly...

    like this.. (my own work, 5 weeks veg- pictured at 6weeks 12/12)



    and this.. (my own work, 5 weeks veg- pictured at 6 weeks 12/12)



    and this.. (not mine, just before harvest)



    convinced?

    to acheive these kind of results, you need to modify your 'farm..

    the farm originaly works means of dripper system. but we can make it into a DWC (deep water culture system) too!

    by adding an airstone to the reservior.. another air pump like the one included with the 'farm along with an airstone (from a pet shop dealing with fish and aquariums) will be added to the reserviour to oxygenate the solution even more.

    120mm airstone..


    air pump..


    next up.. you need to dirll more holes in the top pot.. twice as many as there are when it comes new. we want to encourgage the roots to grow through the top bucket into the oxygenated res below! expect explosive growth once the roots get in there!!

    your shopping list..

    waterfarm. (only 1 'farm per square meter!)
    2nd air pump
    air line
    airstone (flat disc like above works better, see pet shops)
    clay pebbles
    nutes.. GHE 3 part- micro, grow and bloom 500ml each
    ec meter, blue lab truncheon works well..doesnt need calibrated, just plonk and read.
    ph testing kit (i use drops, £3 a bottle)
    ph up
    ph down

    obviously you also need a suitable space, enviroment and lamp.. i have 1 'farm per square meter and a 400w hps above each 'farm during flowering.

    cuttings or seedlings can go in the 'farm, 1 plant per farm only. i have put rooted seedlings (in rockwool) in the farms and vegged for 5 weeks before going 12/12.. i wouldnt recommend veggging any longer.. the plants grow HUGE and will double in size when you go 12/12!

    some farm top tips before you gro....

    *drill twice as many holes in the top bucket, for the roots to go through.
    *put an airstone disc in the bottom bucket with another air pump.
    *soak your clay pebbles in ph5 solution (in the bath) for at least 24hrs before using them. this will help stabilise the ph of the nute solution.. if you dont (like i did 1st time), the ph in the res will rise to 7 overnight and daily...until they finally stabilise in 5weeks or so.. best to soak them before use, otherwise you'll be adjusting ph daily..
    *start in rockwool with seedlings or cuttings, when you transplant to the farm, you'll have to hand water a couple of times a day until the roots reach far enough out to get to the nute solution around them.
    *maintain constant ph of around 6 (piss yellow when using ph drops), check and adjust daily.
    *check ec daily. ..seedling/cuttings 0.8-1.2ec, vegging 1.2-1.6ec, full bloom 1.6-2.0ec
    *PUMPS
    *airstone pump on 24/7 throughout whole grow.
    *dripper pump..
    -when seedlings...on constant during lights on, off at lights out..
    -from small plants to final size...on for 15mins per hour during lights on. you could even switch the dripper pump off completley once the roots are in the bottom bucket.
    *CHANGE RES
    -seedling/cuttings.. every 4 or 5 days (check and adjust daily)
    -vegging..every 2/3 days (check and adjust daily)
    -flowering..(very, very thirsty now) eg, fresh res with ec of 1.8 and ph of 6.0. next day check and adjust, next day fresh res, next day check and adjust, next day fresh res...and so on and on and so on.

    excellent waterfarm dairy's, full of information to whet your appetite..

    shark's waterfarm diary (that's me lol)

    the doctors waterfarm diary

    i hope to see many more 'farm diaries soon!

    best of luck.. any discussion below!
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    Great post man How much did that shopping list set you back? as I'm a bit too hazy to go adding things to carts and all that jazz just now

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    Thanks for the swift supply mate.

    What do you think of using inserts as a grow medium as opposed to pebbles?

    Found this on youtube

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hC9LrpeNT4&feature=related"]YouTube - Sure To Grow introduces their new hydroponic inserts[/ame]

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    Good idea mate..

    I thought your diary was gettin' a little bogged down with questions...

    I was gonna start a thread titled Waterfarm Madness.. Hope you can keep your rot under control mate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggbox View Post
    Great post man How much did that shopping list set you back? as I'm a bit too hazy to go adding things to carts and all that jazz just now

    Shhhhtttickied!
    1 General Hydroponics FloraGro 1 Litre £6.99
    1 General Hydroponics FloraBloom 1 Litre £6.99
    1 General Hydroponics Micro 1 Litre - Soft Water £7.99
    1 Hydroleca 8-16MM 10 Litre Bag £4.99
    1 pH Down 250ml £2.95
    1 PH Up 250ml £2.95
    1 Liquid pH Test Kit - pH Range 4.0 - 10.0 £2.95

    Total: £73.72
    Shipping: £5.95
    Grand Total: £79.67

    Prices as of today from greens.
    Then add ec meter + pump (I'd recommend tetratec as they are virtually silent) + airstone.
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    thanks for the drawing pin..im sure many will find this thread usefull. hopefully it'll grow into a great resource.

    EDIT.. old skool beat me to it..

    that shopping list (inc the 'farm and all thats above) comes to £178.47.. with 20l of pebbles, 1l of each nute and 3 ph test kits..

    add that to the price of your lamp(s), intake/extraction fans, tent (or creating a grow room) and seeds.. this is an expensive hobby..

    thing is though.. once you have all these things, you've got them..no more expense other than replenishing the liquid supplies. they will last many, many future grows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeys_stole_my_weed View Post
    Thanks for the swift supply mate.

    What do you think of using inserts as a grow medium as opposed to pebbles?

    Found this on youtube

    YouTube - Sure To Grow introduces their new hydroponic inserts
    unsure mate.. clay pebbles work very well and offer excellent drainage and aireation.. if it's not broke, dont fix it..! i'll stick with the pebbles for now!

    if you try inserts, be sure to let us know how they gro..

    cheers

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    Cheers shark, much deserved sticky mate - as you know im going hydro - you converted me you naughty boy!
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    im realy intrested in those inserts
    where can you get them from in t his country?
    clay pebbles are annoying sick of dust build up

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    you really gotta rinse those pebbles well before use. even then, you'll still get some red dust.. its harmless though and does clear up in a few weeks... also, you can reuse the pebbles next grow and they will be much cleaner!
    i dont thisnk an insert would offer the same drainage or engorage the roots down into the res below as its more of a solid structure? have a go.but i'll stick with clay until someone else tries first lol!

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    yeah i suppose for the waterfarm method what you say is rite, the roots mite use more of the growing medium instead of going down to the bottom

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    Wicked thread :]

    Read some good advice on a yank forum warning about being aware of salts/lime-scale deposit build up in the piping of the dripper hoop.

    They suggested removing it & washing in warm water weekly to stop any build ups blocking up the system over time.

    Seems the boys & girls on the other side of the pond have been using these for a while now, I noticed another grower had a 'budrot' issue. Perhaps strains with a good resistance to mould should be a factor to be considered for Farm grows..

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    A couple of starter questions for you SHARK, as we're still on the 1st page.

    What feeding regime did you use?
    Official GH Feed Guide

    Looking through your diary you had a nute problem near the end of the 1st month was that easy to sort your ec out?

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    Just read through your diary again and you used these?
    Aero Feed Regime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobble View Post
    Wicked thread :]

    Read some good advice on a yank forum warning about being aware of salts/lime-scale deposit build up in the piping of the dripper hoop.

    They suggested removing it & washing in warm water weekly to stop any build ups blocking up the system over time.

    Seems the boys & girls on the other side of the pond have been using these for a while now, I noticed another grower had a 'budrot' issue. Perhaps strains with a good resistance to mould should be a factor to be considered for Farm grows..
    you can get cleaning solution that you run through your system to clean the drippers
    sure they sell it in greens

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    Quote Originally Posted by nooby_dr_green_thumb View Post
    you can get cleaning solution that you run through your system to clean the drippers
    sure they sell it in greens
    Tidy, will stick it on the 'ole 'to buy' list..

    Like Shark says, is quite a heavy investment to begin with, but here's hoping the end results will be WELL worth it :]

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSkoolDude View Post
    Just read through your diary again and you used these?
    Aero Feed Regime
    thats the one.. i used the "simple" feed shcedule with micro, grow and bloom.




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    re salt build up etc.. best to clean the dripper tube every couple of weeks.. i left mine for 6 weeks and there were roots growing in it!
    deosnt really matter if the drippers clog up anyway..the roots will be feeding in the res! you can even switch the drippers off once the roots are in the res.,.but i have them on 15mins per hour during lights on and off at lights out.

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    Pebbles now soaking in Ph5 water, will leave them overnight.

    Word of warning...
    Don't wash your pebbles in the bath when the missus is about..
    10L of pebbles don't look a lot but it makes a mess of the bath.
    I ended up putting them in the bottom res and filling that with ph adjusted water for the soak.

    Also my water was bang between 6-7ph so don't overdo your ph down 2ml took it right down to 4-5ph.

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    your gonna need 15l of pebbles i think.. did you use the 'farm as a measuring cup? im sure its 15l..

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