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    Real good read that Gaz. Keep up the good work

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    used this from biotabs

    Mycotrex
    Mycotrex is a Mycorrhiza inoculum that contains a mixture of 9 different of mycorrhiza spores. Available in 50, 100 and 500 gram tubs.
    Potting soil must always be sterile and may not contain pathogens or weed seeds. For this reason, most potting soil mixtures are steamed, which also kills the useful mycorrhizae and beneficial soil bacteria. The absence of helpful bacteria makes crops very vulnerable. Mycorrhizae are beneficial soil fungi that coexist in symbiosis with plants. They increase the effective root surface since they act like an extension of the roots. This leads to an increase in the uptake capacity of the root system by 700%, which means the plants can take-up water and nutrients much more easily. This is why it’s very important to add Mycotrex to your potting soil.
    Mycotrex is a mixture of 9 different types of mycorrhiza fungi, consisting of spores from the Glomus claroideus, Glomus etunicatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus sp., Glomus microaggregatum, Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus geosporum and Entrophospora colombiana genus.
    These spores, in combination, will germinate and colonise the root system. In this way, the so-called vesicular-arbuscular mycorrhizae become established. This vastly increases the uptake capacity of the root system. In addition, the gossamer-thin hyphae, penetrate far into the soil pores, allowing them to convert & take-up, all the available nutrients, in quantities the plant needs.
    Countless studies around the world have conclusively shown that plants with a good mycorrhiza system have better growth with higher survival rates. They also take in more nutrients (e.g. phosphates and silicon). Finally, these plants have a much improved water uptake and will retain the water for a longer period of time.
    Plants with a good mycorrhiza system are healthier and have better resistance against soil-borne diseases. Useful Rhizobacteria and natural humic acids are also added to Mycotrex to promote the initial root development.

    noticed a huge increase of water uptake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lipnobody View Post
    used this from biotabs

    Mycotrex
    Mycotrex is a Mycorrhiza inoculum that contains a mixture of 9 different of mycorrhiza spores. Available in 50, 100 and 500 gram tubs.
    Potting soil must always be sterile and may not contain pathogens or weed seeds. For this reason, most potting soil mixtures are steamed, which also kills the useful mycorrhizae and beneficial soil bacteria. The absence of helpful bacteria makes crops very vulnerable. Mycorrhizae are beneficial soil fungi that coexist in symbiosis with plants. They increase the effective root surface since they act like an extension of the roots. This leads to an increase in the uptake capacity of the root system by 700%, which means the plants can take-up water and nutrients much more easily. This is why it’s very important to add Mycotrex to your potting soil.
    Mycotrex is a mixture of 9 different types of mycorrhiza fungi, consisting of spores from the Glomus claroideus, Glomus etunicatum, Glomus clarum, Glomus sp., Glomus microaggregatum, Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Glomus geosporum and Entrophospora colombiana genus.
    These spores, in combination, will germinate and colonise the root system. In this way, the so-called vesicular-arbuscular mycorrhizae become established. This vastly increases the uptake capacity of the root system. In addition, the gossamer-thin hyphae, penetrate far into the soil pores, allowing them to convert & take-up, all the available nutrients, in quantities the plant needs.
    Countless studies around the world have conclusively shown that plants with a good mycorrhiza system have better growth with higher survival rates. They also take in more nutrients (e.g. phosphates and silicon). Finally, these plants have a much improved water uptake and will retain the water for a longer period of time.
    Plants with a good mycorrhiza system are healthier and have better resistance against soil-borne diseases. Useful Rhizobacteria and natural humic acids are also added to Mycotrex to promote the initial root development.

    noticed a huge increase of water uptake.
    Only one of them 9 has a relationship with canna mate thats what Im getting at. Only glomus intraradices has a mycorrhizal relationship with canna. Your buying 8 lots of spores thar wont have any relationship with the target plant?

    Those products are blanket products that will target 96% of plants. I want just the canna spores not anything else

    Mykos = just glomus intraradices and nothin else
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    My apologies 2 spores in that product are what we want

    Glomus mosseae
    Glomus intraradices

    These 2 are canna related spores

    Lol just double checked pubmed.

    If anyone finds a product with just those 2 please let me know
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    have been using great white for the last couple of grows with good results, got it cheap enough online, cheaper than the grow shop I use

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    All of these products will work no doubt at all, Im just looking at where my money goes and I want to pay only for spores that will work rather than a product with tons of stuff in that wont work or could inhibit the Mycorrhizal action like Tricherdema can.

    This is just my opinion based on the published research I have read and by no means am I the authority here nor should I be treated so.

    Redz has many years of successful growing and uses mycorr and I would honestly listen to him over me, but sharing Ideas is how things evolve

    Im an unproven grower with little experience and just a thoery. Theory is bullshit compared to experience.

    But if we combine the two........

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    If we become a hive mind we wont progress, if new thoery is tested by old heads we could really push shit forward.

    Alot of this research is very new guys very new

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    after over 20 years growing cannabis my experience counts for nothing I have adhd is the attention deficit leaves me bewildered not understanding whats going on around me, always trying listen and take on board good advice

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyjack View Post
    after over 20 years growing cannabis my experience counts for nothing I have adhd is the attention deficit leaves me bewildered not understanding whats going on around me, always trying listen and take on board good advice
    Lol I have ADHD mate but I have the hyperfocus element, im. Just starting treatment after 38 years undiagnosed

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    trouble with hyper focus is locking on to something and nothing else on the planet matters, apart from very high spec adhd I have low speck autism i'm 73 now and it have never decreased, but you will love hyper activity going into old age, in fact you would pay to have it

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyjack View Post
    trouble with hyper focus is locking on to something and nothing else on the planet matters, apart from very high spec adhd I have low speck autism i'm 73 now and it have never decreased, but you will love hyper activity going into old age, in fact you would pay to have it
    Thanks for sharing brother

    Im hoping the meds give me a little more control when I start the stimulatants

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    Infact if any one of the pro growers here wants to test mykos in a side by side grow then I will post out some mykos for this purpose

    Be great to get some experienced opinions

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    have taken zero medication apart from cannabis all my adult life, makes me feel super human but it don't stop me from being a bit stupid and that can be good fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceCalibur View Post
    Any reason you gave it to a neighbour? as in did you have a negative experience with it Valentina or just never got around to trying it?

    Was going to purchase a pack
    I gave it away because I was probably not gonna finish it in time before the expiry date.

    It's good stuff. No problems with it at all. The Amnesia Fast had a root system that was nearly solid in the pot. Very fine roots, but it was everywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
    My apologies 2 spores in that product are what we want

    Glomus mosseae
    Glomus intraradices

    These 2 are canna related spores

    Lol just double checked pubmed.

    If anyone finds a product with just those 2 please let me know
    but wont that not benefit the other crops, if you were topdressing with clover etc! more root system more drainage more oxygen getting into the soil, one day ill be growing swales along with other veg n tubers, a host of spores would be great for that boost of mixed crops wouldnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lipnobody View Post
    but wont that not benefit the other crops, if you were topdressing with clover etc! more root system more drainage more oxygen getting into the soil, one day ill be growing swales along with other veg n tubers, a host of spores would be great for that boost of mixed crops wouldnt it?
    Yes that is possible mate, that it may benefit the cover crop

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    Quote Originally Posted by lipnobody View Post
    but wont that not benefit the other crops, if you were topdressing with clover etc! more root system more drainage more oxygen getting into the soil, one day ill be growing swales along with other veg n tubers, a host of spores would be great for that boost of mixed crops wouldnt it?
    Ok to further answer this, it would depend on the cover crop and the spores associated with it mate. For example Alfalfa actually uses the same spore as canna (H Volpin · 1994). Im gonna have look and see if I can find the spore associated with crimson clover but Id wager most companion crops use the same spores.

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    Ok, as I suspected, the Mycorrhizal spores associated most strongly with crimson clover are glomus mosseae and glomus tenue (Fine' and 'coarse' mycorrhizal fungi on red clover plants in acid soils: Root colonization and plant responses
    J. ARINES, A. VILARIÑO and MARIA SAINZ
    Plant and Soil
    Vol. 111, No. 1 (September 1988), pp. 135-145 .)

    So the clover shares the common spore with the canna but that spore would not be present in the Mykos.
    Therefore, on that basis and argument could be made for the product with the highest Glomus intraradices and Glomus mosseae and the least of anything else when using Alfalfa and crimson clover.

    We are now in the realms of targeted Mycorrhizal mixtures to match companion crops.... I LOVE THIS

    But I am now looking for a product containing only Glomus M to blend with the Mykos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
    Ok, as I suspected, the Mycorrhizal spores associated most strongly with crimson clover are glomus mosseae and glomus tenue (Fine' and 'coarse' mycorrhizal fungi on red clover plants in acid soils: Root colonization and plant responses
    J. ARINES, A. VILARIÑO and MARIA SAINZ
    Plant and Soil
    Vol. 111, No. 1 (September 1988), pp. 135-145 .)

    So the clover shares the common spore with the canna but that spore would not be present in the Mykos.
    Therefore, on that basis and argument could be made for the product with the highest Glomus intraradices and Glomus mosseae and the least of anything else when using Alfalfa and crimson clover.

    We are now in the realms of targeted Mycorrhizal mixtures to match companion crops.... I LOVE THIS

    But I am now looking for a product containing only Glomus M to blend with the Mykos
    What about eco thrive boisys?


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    Quote Originally Posted by British green View Post
    What about eco thrive boisys?


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    Same deal really BG, I cant find the exact amounts or list of active ingredients but its states 8 different types of Endo Mycorrhizal Fungi which is great and 2 of these are very likely the Glom. In and the Glom. M, and there are likely other types of mycorrhizal fungi in there that may have a benefit to the soil itself.

    I simply dont know enough to be sure...

    but when considering a targeted Mycorrhizal inoculant powder Id consider the ingredients and spores in it

    The ecothrive is an allround excellent product for those with out access to brewing equipment or worm castings. That is my opinion based on discussions ive had with growers here and from the description which makes reasonable and evidence based claims... Again JMO for what its worth

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