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    Everytime I see this thread all I can picture and hear is Thomas the tank engine and his troublesome trucks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmshop View Post
    Everytime I see this thread all I can picture and hear is Thomas the tank engine and his troublesome trucks
    18 months of solid 'more Thomas, more Thomas' !
    Sir topham hat will sort them!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshgrow View Post
    Naw I haven’t mate, are they needed for a soil grow?


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    If you’re using mineral fertiliser I would suggest getting an ec pen so you can know how much your feeding whether in soil or not, also if you have problems you can measure the ec of your run off to know how much food is in your medium etc I wouldn’t use any non organic food without one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshgrow View Post
    My water is high anyway mate.
    For instance just water and rhizo takes it to about 8.9-9. Adding bio silicon takes it well over 9.
    So I drop them down a touch to about 7.5ish

    I’d tried looking online at the water quality in my area, but not much available info.
    I think at a hard water sea judging by what t does to my kettle though!


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    The soil should buffer that no problems mate, drop the acid out, you don't need it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshgrow View Post
    Yea mate using canna vega and Flores so I don’t think they’re organic.
    Is the organic nutes when you don’t need to flush due to salt build up?
    If so that sounds like a bit of an easier route to take.

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    when i do soil i use same nutes as you mate, never ever use acid tho. I did to statrt but it kept fucking the ph up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmobyToker#1 View Post
    when i do soil i use same nutes as you mate, never ever use acid tho. I did to statrt but it kept fucking the ph up.
    Was your ph high as well then mate?
    I always thought if it was too high it could caused some lock out??

    Earlier when mixing for my 4 baby photo plants I used 2.5ml rhizo per litre and 0.5ml bio silicon per litre and it took my ph to 9.5.
    Would the soil still filter that you think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshgrow View Post
    Was your ph high as well then mate?
    I always thought if it was too high it could caused some lock out??

    Earlier when mixing for my 4 baby photo plants I used 2.5ml rhizo per litre and 0.5ml bio silicon per litre and it took my ph to 9.5.
    Would the soil still filter that you think?


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    It probably can for a while but with out amending the soil it wont buffer that forever. The capacity of the soil to buffer pH depends on...

    1. Clay content and type (texture)
    2. Organic matter content
    3. Oxide components
    4. Carbonate content
    5. Initial pH
    6. Weatherable mineral content

    My argument would be that continually asking the soil to buffer high pH will eventually wear out the soils capacity unless you are amending the soil with fresh buffers.

    Well at least thats how I understand it mate

    Id be lowering pH as well mate if my inputs were 9.5

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    Apologies but me saying "it wont" is a little strong lol maybe its better to say that with out knowing the capacity of the soil and whats in it, it will be impossible to say IMO how big that buffer capacity is and how long it will last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
    Apologies but me saying "it wont" is a little strong lol maybe its better to say that with out knowing the capacity of the soil and whats in it, it will be impossible to say IMO how big that buffer capacity is and how long it will last.
    To be honest mate I wouldn’t attempt it without ph’ing it down first either.
    It just seems like a lot of un needed pressure on the soil and could eventually cause the soils ph to rise anyway.

    Thank for all the help as well mate


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    Yeah Im with you on that but Im a noob so take from that what you will....

    Some more info from the soil buffer read around Ive been doing



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    Mate just feed them the soil will buffer it for you, no need to worry about ph in soil, feed every other watering and with plain water in between and you’ll be fine, are you you using hard or soft water ? If you can’t get an ec pen and your in a hard water area just feed half the max dose on the bottle


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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshgrow View Post
    Was your ph high as well then mate?
    I always thought if it was too high it could caused some lock out??

    Earlier when mixing for my 4 baby photo plants I used 2.5ml rhizo per litre and 0.5ml bio silicon per litre and it took my ph to 9.5.
    Would the soil still filter that you think?


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    Yes mate she will buffer the ph to where needs to be. unless you have an issue that looks ph related i would'nt mess with it. My tap water is around 7.2 @ 18c and when i add rhizo (should be 4 mls btw) it goes to around 9.2 ish. Personally mate i would throw the acid away so you are not tempted. Tbh there is a few things to avoid which will aid in having an equilibrium within the root zone. 1) don't over feed. 2) don't let the humidity get too low / high. If you should over fert then this is fixed by simply flushing. I usually follow a flush out with a bene like great white shark. this will help the flora in the pot to re establish should any be washed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmobyToker#1 View Post
    Yes mate she will buffer the ph to where needs to be. unless you have an issue that looks ph related i would'nt mess with it. My tap water is around 7.2 @ 18c and when i add rhizo (should be 4 mls btw) it goes to around 9.2 ish. Personally mate i would throw the acid away so you are not tempted. Tbh there is a few things to avoid which will aid in having an equilibrium within the root zone. 1) don't over feed. 2) don't let the humidity get too low / high. If you should over fert then this is fixed by simply flushing. I usually follow a flush out with a bene like great white shark. this will help the flora in the pot to re establish should any be washed out.
    Why not use the acid if hes using minerals salts mate?

    Im not being a dick I just want to understand mate.

    Why put inputs in that are way out of balance and force the soil to use its resources to buffer the pH?

    Initial pH is a variable in buffer capacity so surely having an input at a reasonably safe pH is preferential? Particularly in a non organic soil grow? Its not like you are relying on the soil to feed the plant as you are feeding the roots directly? So what harm is the acid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaz View Post
    Why not use the acid if hes using minerals salts mate?

    Im not being a dick I just want to understand mate.

    Why put inputs in that are way out of balance and force the soil to use its resources to buffer the pH?

    Initial pH is a variable in buffer capacity so surely having an input at a reasonably safe pH is preferential? Particularly in a non organic soil grow? Its not like you are relying on the soil to feed the plant as you are feeding the roots directly? So what harm is the acid?
    That’s something that got me thinking as well mate.

    What’s more beneficial in the long run removing the acid from the mix and feeding at a higher ph allowing the soil to the work or using the acid and feed at a lower ph so putting less strain on the soil?




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    Quote Originally Posted by Welshgrow View Post
    That’s something that got me thinking as well mate.

    What’s more beneficial in the long run removing the acid from the mix and feeding at a higher ph allowing the soil to the work or using the acid and feed at a lower ph so putting less strain on the soil?




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    I think the general school of thought is you.dont need to pH soil coz it buffers which is 100% true and in many many many growers here would agree with Toby 100%

    Im trying to understand the principles behind the general consensus and that becomes a very grey area very quickly. I am just learning and the only way you learn is by challenging the evidence and critical thought. Or at least I do.

    Honestly Welshgrow Toby is a respected user and has plenty of results to back him up and I have none......... Yet

    I am not trying to discredit this school of thinking, I am trying to expand it and see what I find.

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    Just let the soil do it’s thing bro. If it comes good then your on to a winner. Diolch yn fawr!!


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    Just want to say thanks to all that helped here!!
    My bio water arrived after so gave the girls a good drenching increased the feed a bit and after a few as they seem to be doing lot better.




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