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    Cool Noob first time grower seeking advice

    Genetics:
    So I have 2 sour diesel plants currently attempting to flower, I sprouted them both from seeds and as far as I can tell the seeds are all feminised which some research tells me is due to the mother plant being stressed into a hermaphrodite state. (seeds acquired from inside dried buds that were purchased) I sprouted probably just under 20 and although all but maybe 2-4 sprouted I only kept two in my possession due to the fact that I have no desire to start a cartel and that this is just supposed to be a small personal sized project. Of course tho, I am not a murderer, the other plants were given away to friends and planted in wild in the mountains and not even any of them became male which for me was as good as confirmation of the hermaphrodite theory.

    Environment:
    In order to understand the space I am growing in.... picture a cardboard house moving box, those big ones, now stack 3 of those on top of each other and line the inside with aluminum foil (hey i'm on a budget, don't judge me haha) ran a box cutter down and across on the front and made a little door that can open and shut for observation / care taking which is then covered additionally by one half of another moving box thats attached to the stack of 3 sort of like a false front. Small fan sucking air out of the box, another small fan pulling air into the box from another spot and one more small fan inside aiming up to keep the air circulating and to not allow the plants to be sitting in stagnant air. Pot size gradually increased as plants grew bigger starting from solo cup up to what they're in now (refer attached pictures). The light I got my hands on is once again very budget however so far seems to be doing an ok job as far as I can tell, the light is a 300W (if u trust china on the wattage) LED and multi spectrum grow light that was purchased cheaply online. Growing medium is just a "high quality" organic potting mix from the hardware store that's supposedly good for fruits and veggies and flowers etc.


    Getting caught up:
    I knew that I didn't have much space to work with when I set out on this journey and so I decided that in order to speed up time to harvest and keep size of the plants to a minimum I would put them straight into a 12/12 light cycle almost straight away however they did receive a small period of 18/6 light until I thought they were strong enough to receive less. I've run into several issues one being learning not to over water. after approximately a month or so of growth the lower leaves began to all get sick and drop off and it appeared to be progressing up the plant. I tried feeding nutrients, I tried more watering / less watering, I tried to fix the PH balance and eventually I diagnosed them with leaf sepsis which apparently they got from my over watering and poor humidity control. both plants were looking pretty sick at this point but I treated with an insecticide for pests and I also treated the plant with a copper based fungicide for the leaf disease. Although the already affected leaves still died and dropped off the majority of the plants seemed to be getting healthier and the less affected higher leaves were starting to recover. Some plants grow taller, fatter, shorter, slower, or faster I can accept that but my 2 plants have been neck and neck their whole way through keeping up with each other in leaf amount plus height and everything else too and now all of a sudden as of about 2 weeks ago one of them has become extremely more dominant gaining several feet of height out of nowhere forcing me to raise the height of the grow light to avoid leaf burning and then in order to give my shorter plant its fair share of the energy during their daytime I had to prop up its pot on books so that the dominant one doesn't steal all the precious light. what's interesting is that both plants were neck and neck even in the amount of pistons they had produced in their nodes and then all of a sudden when this growth of one happened I could swear I cant see as many if any white pistons on it at all and what's more I've noticed that towards the bottoms of the plants u can barely even bump one of the fan leaves and they just disconnect from the main stem like they were never connected.


    Issues / Questions:
    Large fan leaves appear to just be dropping from the plant when barely touched as if they were never or very poorly connected in the first place. Is this just the normal leaf shedding that happens during flowering or is this abnormal? probably lose one or two leafs every few days but sometimes maybe only once or twice in a week.
    What can I use in the future as a growing medium? I am absolutely fed up with dealing with all the weird things that come in the non sterilized organic potting mix that I purchased such as weird amounts of nutrients and pests. Also I believe my pots are currently home to a family of SpringTails and I don't really know how to get rid of them, so far all I've tried was starving them of moisture because apparently thats what they like and I'm not too worried because I've read that although creepy they shouldn't actually cause any harm to my girls. Is that true to the best of anyone knowledge? should I not worry about it at this point but use a different medium next time?
    I'd say I predict i'm halfway through the flower process and as such the only nutrient I am giving now is liquid potash (potassium, k) due to research I did indicating that towards the end of the flowering stage they don't need any nitrogen at all and that they need 2:1 potassium to phosphorus throughout their entire life. The reason I stopped all nitrogen is because the nutrients I was using prior to now were very high in nitrogen and I felt that a good kick of potassium would set them on the right path. Am I right to be doing this? also anyone know a good way to calculate what NPK I have if I want to combine a liquid nutrient with an organic one? because the only phosphorus I could get my hands on at the garden store was granulated and dosage is grams per meters squared and without specific NPK as appose to the ml per L and exact NPK of the liquid potash and other fertilizers.
    Why is one plant all of a sudden growing so much more powerfully than the other whilst also not appearing to be making any progress on flowering while the smaller plant appears to be very progressed into flowering. (keep in mind I did think I saw pistons that then disappeared on the bigger one and I am almost willing to bet my life it isn't a male plant, it's got no balls and I can see pistons but it's like the start of them which makes no sense since they were already present earlier.
    If I wanted to go to some extra lengths to ensure a good crop or a successful flowering is there any must have devices that I did not list under my "environment" heading? Perhaps something for humidity or CO2 maybe? open to suggestions since all I got so far is light and airflow.
    Will the bigger but slower flowering plant likely catch up and be harvest-able around the same time as the smaller faster flowering one from your guys' experience?
    And finally if this big fucker just wont stop growing what steps can I take to control it's vertical height without having to damage it's growth or yields too much? could I literally just bend it over at the top and let it hold itself there with the pressure from being pressed against the side of the box?

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    Top view of the plant that became larger but flowering slower. Click image for larger version. 

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    Top view of the smaller but faster flowering plant. Click image for larger version. 

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    Side view of the smaller but faster flowering plant. Click image for larger version. 

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    View from pot height on how bare the lower stalks are and how I had to raise one girl on books. Click image for larger version. 

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    Thanks for reading guys and girls, like stated above any sort of assistance or attempts to answer any of my queries will be much appreciated and I hope everyone has an awesome rest of their day.



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    Top view of some of the leaves that are coming of, I believe the worse looking ones had fallen by themselves in the last 2-3 days and the better looking one is an example of one that just comes away from the stalk like it was connected with nothing but a tiny tissue thin membrane. Click image for larger version. 

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    My dog shit $30 Chinese LED light (not even all the diodes work anymore haha) Click image for larger version. 

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    Before I read anymore, you need better lighting
    "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."
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    Yes I am aware, from responses on another forum it was suggested to me to look into quantum board LEDs or a HPS solution and after looking at the quality LEDs price tags I just cant justify it on my current budget, Any suggestions into what sort of next best solution I could implement would be much appreciated, if I go HPS would I want 600w? more? less?

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    You'd need to ask someone else about LED, I'm an HPS man

    But, with HPS, a good rule of thumb is a minimum of 100w per flowering plant... but more is better. 600w for 2 plants? A bit overkill IMHO

    ...and make sure you familiarise yourself with the forum rules

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    Ok I'll keep your advice in mind, cheers for the reply. Also, I have read the forum rules already, I didn't break any did I?

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    There are a few growers about who grow in small stealth set-ups and I'm sure they'll happily offer you some advice.

    Best of luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuerrillaGrow69 View Post
    Ok I'll keep your advice in mind, cheers for the reply. Also, I have read the forum rules already, I didn't break any did I?
    You would have if you were a member when you started germination - bear in mind

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    oh hahahaha, Yeah bro but it was my first tiem andI read online that depending on age and quality of seeds they might not all germinate so being inexperienced I just dumped 1/4 of the seeds I had into a cup and got started hahaha, If my choices were between a 250w and 400w HPS what would u choose for only a couple plants? I will likely use my Chinese LED in a separate small box for sprouting or cloning or whatever so that after I harvest my 2 girls in the main box I already have another 2 ready to go in saving a few weeks of time. This whole thing started because I am absolutely so fed up with paying exorbitant prices for buds from dealers when it is literally a plant that grows by itself haha. Biggest struggle right now is making sure I get to harvest but after that biggest struggle will be not running out before next harvest haha. If I can be self sustainable I'll be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuerrillaGrow69 View Post
    oh hahahaha, Yeah bro but it was my first tiem andI read online that depending on age and quality of seeds they might not all germinate so being inexperienced I just dumped 1/4 of the seeds I had into a cup and got started hahaha, If my choices were between a 250w and 400w HPS what would u choose for only a couple plants? I will likely use my Chinese LED in a separate small box for sprouting or cloning or whatever so that after I harvest my 2 girls in the main box I already have another 2 ready to go in saving a few weeks of time. This whole thing started because I am absolutely so fed up with paying exorbitant prices for buds from dealers when it is literally a plant that grows by itself haha. Biggest struggle right now is making sure I get to harvest but after that biggest struggle will be not running out before next harvest haha. If I can be self sustainable I'll be happy.
    I dont know really how I can help you mate but I can give you this link to my cab build and you can see if any of it is helpful. Those LEDs are unlikely pulling any more than 100 watt and frankly my experience of cheap blurple light is that your better off with house hold natural light led bulbs lol. Check out CuriousaurusRex mate hes growing well with wallmart bulbs

    I started the same mate, no money, cheap equipment ect..... Its a journey mate. Guys here grow in fridges, cupboards, pc cases, hell some just a light n a plant

    Dont think anyone gonna judge you mate coz we wont, your set up is a start and it easy for ppl to say "just get a tent and this and that or it not worth it" ignore that shit mate, grow however you can grow with what ever you have and just build up and upgrade stuff as you go mate. It may not work out great, you may have issues ect coz of the cheap lights, environmental issues ect but you know what if that the best you can do right now then so what.
    You get some buds growing like that, when you do get to a more upgraded grow room you will walk it lol

    I hope you find something useful in here and if you have any question please ask. I know you are 2 plants and Im one in the cab but it may help?

    Anyway heres my build.....

    https://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-foru...grow-box-build

    Good luck mate and get reading the forum mate, its all here, everything you need

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuerrillaGrow69 View Post
    If I can be self sustainable I'll be happy.
    That's good, you have a goal - any idea what that weight would be?

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    Oh and just to show you as Rex isnt about I don't think.... This is his tent and hes growing some beautys....

    Wallmart house bulbs with no glass bit although he had them to start with I believe amd removed them further down the line if memory serves



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    This was mine a couple of year back. I've lost the extra head room, bar that it's pretty much the same


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    The music is excellent M_C hahahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    That's good, you have a goal - any idea what that weight would be?
    idk man, it might not even be obtainable in my current grow space and I wont have an opportunity for a larger one probably until I move out of home haha so maybe never. I could use 7g in a week without even noticing it, 14g maybe max but tbh some weeks I probably would have smoked a full 28 haha. I suppose it's all about becoming more responsible for myself and either increasing my grow or decreasing my smoking.

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    Looking like a 600w HPS & a tent around 1/1.2m square (and a decent height) would see you right but what you have just won't cut the mustard

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    GuerrillaGrow69.

    OP, might be worth shooting Starcodex a PM, he has a 600w HPS he's giving away. PM him fella


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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    Looking like a 600w HPS & a tent around 1/1.2m square (and a decent height) would see you right but what you have just won't cut the mustard
    hahaha, The grow space is 1800 x 450 x 400 (mm) 250W? 400W? 600 seems like a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpman233345 View Post
    GuerrillaGrow69.

    OP, might be worth shooting Starcodex a PM, he has a 600w HPS he's giving away. PM him fella
    Isn't this sort of talk against the rules? Nothing is free in life right? haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuerrillaGrow69 View Post
    Isn't this sort of talk against the rules? Nothing is free in life right? haha
    Check pm dude


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