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    I grow in coco and always seem to start slowly. For me I think it was down to temps being a bit low.
    They do seem to stop growing for a good few days after sprouting whilst roots do their thing. I'm currently giving canna start a go. Had mixed results using the same feed in the same environment so blaming it on the strains I chose when one reacts differently lol.
    I use 1ml per litre of rhizo in my feed. Also follow the general consensus of using the final pot from the get go as you dont want to stunt the growth when transplanting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmobyToker#1 View Post
    Right ok, i tried with Stardawg again and dropped 4 beans to pop.

    2 opened and grew 1mm taproots, then promptly stopped growing anymore. After 4 days i had an inspection, the insides had all turned to mush, the seeds are fucked.

    So i complained and got a 5 pack of gorilla glue auto and a 5 pack of girl scout cookies free.


    So the new beans are in water as i write.

    The gelato's are not doing as well as i hoped, they seem to be really lingering....These have been up above ground for 11 days now but i'm greeted with what looks like a 4-5 day old seedlings.


    What the hell am i doing wrong.....



    Someone please talk me through their success as i feel like i'm having non,


    What i do - fill pots (1/2 litre) with coco, insert seed around 10mm down with root down. Leave for few days to pop up...then, Make up a litre of water with 2 mls rhizo and 0.2 EC coco A and B on top of my 0.4 back ground. Watering once a day but now doing twice....


    So just to ensure i get some plants i now have 7 seeds cracking ffs.....


    This is getting silly now man who grows huge plants and gets big yields can not even get a seedling to grow wtf? I remember now the last time i did this exact way of growing starting in coco, i had problems, but that was down to a new product called start, it wasnt enough and so i started to use coco Aand B and bam off they went in 1 day new growth all over. But this time is worse. No use of start just Aand B And i have now gone through, hhhhmmmm let me count, 16 seeds and only have 4 babies whilst waiting on the 7 to crack, i have wasted 2-3 weeks and my time.

    Really starting to wonder about my home, we all feel ill at times for no reason, and we are finding, any seed whether its veg for the garden or corn flowers they all seem to suffer until planted outside. No one smokes in the home and we are cleaner than most ppl. So i am just like fuck sake i just want some xmas weed grumble grumble.....lol and all i can smell is some old boy up the hill smoking ganga that i dont have.....


    Meh!!!! I am defo stumped, why so hard to get anything growing?????
    Have you considered buying some distilled water and building your feed from scratch? Fiver for 5 lt.

    Extreme I know. But I grow seeds at 0.3 EC..... you are starting at 0.6. Who knows how your water changes week to week?

    I would also second Silks questions about temp. I tried a virgin media box and it melted my germing seeds.

    I now use the corner of the groom.... much better and temp controlled ;-) Although at 26C-30C higher than recommend.

    I let the seed soak for 12-24 hrs and then into pre-moistend coco (0.3 @ 5.8 - coco, mykos and perlite mixed in a bag - squirted and then squeezed out, damp only).

    Seed in 1 inch down and then wrapped in a plastic bag till above dirt.

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    I'm really pleased ppl are helping. However, today i see a deficiency on the top new growth (tiny growth) its purpling which means to me that either the feed is off or the root hairs are being eaten, either way im nearly half way through my auto vegging with only a 1 inch set of seedlings, unfortunately i feel i wil have to dump the lot and maybe just not grow for a while, something is really off in this house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper114 View Post
    Have you considered buying some distilled water and building your feed from scratch? Fiver for 5 lt.

    Extreme I know. But I grow seeds at 0.3 EC..... you are starting at 0.6. Who knows how your water changes week to week?

    I would also second Silks questions about temp. I tried a virgin media box and it melted my germing seeds.

    I now use the corner of the groom.... much better and temp controlled ;-) Although at 26C-30C higher than recommend.

    I let the seed soak for 12-24 hrs and then into pre-moistend coco (0.3 @ 5.8 - coco, mykos and perlite mixed in a bag - squirted and then squeezed out, damp only).

    Seed in 1 inch down and then wrapped in a plastic bag till above dirt.
    Tbh mate i dont see how my feed can be off, or any nat damage to the roots, so the only other thing is what you mention about water. Only thing is mate when its all going strong i get through 20-30 litres a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silkadin View Post
    I grow in coco and always seem to start slowly. For me I think it was down to temps being a bit low.
    They do seem to stop growing for a good few days after sprouting whilst roots do their thing. I'm currently giving canna start a go. Had mixed results using the same feed in the same environment so blaming it on the strains I chose when one reacts differently lol.
    I use 1ml per litre of rhizo in my feed. Also follow the general consensus of using the final pot from the get go as you dont want to stunt the growth when transplanting.
    I hear you silkadin but these are not even rooting out 1/2 litre pots never mind big ones. Thanks fella

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    So i m seeing a purple hue to the very tip of new growth. Should i just bin these and start again. Its nearly 2 weeks since cracking them, and i only get around 4 weeks to veg them. Should i bin and start again.



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    Looks too me like a phosphorus issue, which is odd as my feed is more than suitable at 0.2 on top of 0.4 total of 0.6, ph 5.8 and temps light on 25 and off 20-22 c

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    What a waste

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmobyToker#1 View Post
    Tbh mate i dont see how my feed can be off, or any nat damage to the roots, so the only other thing is what you mention about water. Only thing is mate when its all going strong i get through 20-30 litres a day
    I just meant at the beginning.

    I make about 55lt of RO a day. Worth the fifty squid for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper114 View Post
    I just meant at the beginning.

    I make about 55lt of RO a day. Worth the fifty squid for me.
    ah ok i get you, funny my missus said same as you lol. i will get some, can you suggest a good one i can get in asda, tesco or sopme where like that, thanbks Jumper mate you've been a star trying to help me out

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    Jumper one other thing have i fucked it now with the gelato, im no auto guy so im not sure. Thanks

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    Hello mate, from what I have read, you haven't mentioned your ph. What are you setting it to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladymaryjane View Post
    Hello mate, from what I have read, you haven't mentioned your ph. What are you setting it to?
    Hello mate, i have been setting it to 5.8 but this is now where i start to wonder if my ph pen is fucked. I dried out a bit but it seemed to work fine. I test the pen each time before use to make sure its still going to 7 using the calibration fluid, not calibrating just using it to see if after calibration and use it still goes to 7. which it does......Mate i am scratching my head big time on this, to the point im wondering about my water supply and environment within the home....Can gassing off of treated woods do this ? see told you lol scratching at things that a mad.

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    One other thing to mention, they seemed to stop for 3-4 days, then over 1 night they grew almost twice the size and now 2 days gone by with no movemet at all, just this purple look to the top

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    Hey mate. Sorry to hear things are going so bad. I had similar issues a while back. When germing do you monitor germ and soil temps? If the seed gets too hot then it can mush like you had.

    Monitoring and controlling germ temps fixed this for me.

    The seedling issues were bad soil PH for me. Do you pre soak and clean your coco in PH balanced water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmobyToker#1 View Post
    Hello mate, i have been setting it to 5.8 but this is now where i start to wonder if my ph pen is fucked. I dried out a bit but it seemed to work fine. I test the pen each time before use to make sure its still going to 7 using the calibration fluid, not calibrating just using it to see if after calibration and use it still goes to 7. which it does......Mate i am scratching my head big time on this, to the point im wondering about my water supply and environment within the home....Can gassing off of treated woods do this ? see told you lol scratching at things that a mad.
    Right mate, I found that by dropping my ph to 5.5-5.6 at the start,(I used to set it to 5.8) led to healthy seedlings and no calcium defs. Some people can start at 5.8, some at 5.7 and get the same results and I honestly think that it is dependent on your particular water source, as to what the sweet spot, so to speak is for starting them off.

    You could try dropping the ph a little.

    Also, you should only give rhizo or some root-stim, ph'ed of course for the first week until the first set of true leaves are established. No nutes.

    As for watering, I fully water the pot so all the coco is wet, then test the weight and a day will come when the pot suddenly loses weight considerably to the day before but the coco is still damp. not dry. That's when I water next, usually 3-4 days. I increase to every other day when roots are showing and daily when they come out of most of the holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladymaryjane View Post
    Right mate, I found that by dropping my ph to 5.5-5.6 at the start,(I used to set it to 5.8) led to healthy seedlings and no calcium defs. Some people can start at 5.8, some at 5.7 and get the same results and I honestly think that it is dependent on your particular water source, as to what the sweet spot, so to speak is for starting them off.

    You could try dropping the ph a little.

    Also, you should only give rhizo or some root-stim, ph'ed of course for the first week until the first set of true leaves are established. No nutes.

    As for watering, I fully water the pot so all the coco is wet, then test the weight and a day will come when the pot suddenly loses weight considerably to the day before but the coco is still damp. not dry. That's when I water next, usually 3-4 days. I increase to every other day when roots are showing and daily when they come out of most of the holes.
    Agree 100% on letting the pots dry out enough. Gotta send them roots searching. Read loads of people feeding everyday with coco regardless of the stage. Maybe they have a different environment to me but I get much better results with less feeds for the first week or two after a repot of any sized plant. Just can't let it get too dry my leaves start go curl and crisp.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Lightyear View Post
    Hey up Smoby...What brand coco are using ? How often you water/feeding ? What's your light schedule ?


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    Hello Bud the coco is canna coco professional. pots 1/2 litre and the light is 250 blue cfl around 8 inches away. The feeds started as 0.1 ish ontop of my bg ec 0.4. initially i was doing this only every few days, but then upped it to every day as some said do it twice a day. using 2mls of rhizo per litre....i did the every few days watering to get the roots searching a bit, but these lazy bastards have not moved much at all.

    Its all new feeds etc

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    The only thing i didnt do and never have had to is pre charging the coco as its meant to be a use out the bag item. However i would of though a week of stright watering and nutes would wash any shit out....These started off ok, its the last 4-5 days im not seeing much

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