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    Default I need help. Wasting seeds.

    Hello all!

    Im in a stupid situation which has left me very frustrated and with a fair bit of wasted money.
    I have now gone through my 8th Auto seed which has failed to germinate.

    My first seeds were sourced from a local supplier, mephisto genetics, and with Gaz being very kind to offer to mentor a grow, I tried and failed to get any of the 5 to break ground. I tried the the paper towel method, i tried to soak overnight and then direct in soil.

    Suspicion was on poor seeds. I then ordered seeds from seedsman, fastbuds GSC, and put 2 seeds in paper towels, both show'd taps roots in 24-48hrs. They were put in the soil when the taps were at least 1/2 inch long, but it seems as soon as they go into the soil, they stop growing.
    Im certain my soil is not overwatered, ive been very careful, using a spray bottle and only keeping the seed area moist. The seed area is also covered with a translucent cup to keep the humidity up.

    Whats odd that I have prior to getting serious with this, planted and half grown many landrace seeds that i have. Mostly to practice. They pop out and grow without issue. i have even cloned these wildlings, and the cuttings too have taken root and growing fine in the soil.

    Here is the last seed that has failed. It was a slow starter, but still. Started by soaking in a cup of water for 12 hours, then in a paper towel. The tap root came bout in 24hrs after it was in the paper towel, and after 48hrs in the towel I potted it bout a cm deep, lightly covered with a little soil, after the tap were 1/2inch long.

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    Its been almost 72hrs now, and nothing. So I dug the seed out, and its pretty much how it was when it went in.

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    Im using organic soil, which has been verified by Gaz to be fine.
    My temps are a staying under 30c, with a high of 29 and a low of 25. Humidity at bout 60% + a dome.

    I have 1 GSC auto left, and Im really wanting to sort this out. Any insight on what could I be doing wrong would be much appreciated.

    Thank you all so much for taking the time to read this.

    Best!

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    Very frustrating and annoying especially as it's tricky to see anything that you're doing wrong.

    The only difference I can see is, I don't plant the top of the seed 1cm deep. I make a hole deep enough to contain the taproot and just cover the seed with a pinch of soil so that it's about 3mm or so under the surface and very lightly pad the soil down....and put my lights on.
    I'd love to do it and you know you've always had it coming

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    How are you handling the seed to put it in the hole, btw?

    And are you using a sprinkle of Great White...may help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbitual View Post
    I don't plant the top of the seed 1cm deep. I make a hole deep enough to contain the taproot and just cover the seed with a pinch of soil so that it's about 3mm or so under the surface and very lightly pad the soil down....and put my lights on.
    That is how im doing it too.. the hole is bout a cm deep, so the top of the seed is a lot shallower.

    How are you handling the seed to put it in the hole, btw?
    And are you using a sprinkle of Great White...may help.
    i use a pair of clean tweazers, very delicately remove it from the paper towel and place it in the soil. I dont have access to Great White, but can get a local variation of the same. I have been recommended the same by Gaz too... I was under the impression its more of a booster than a requirement.

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    My last 3 sour D's I tried to germ never did. I think something is just wrong with batch's of these Auto's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_S View Post
    That is how im doing it too.. the hole is bout a cm deep, so the top of the seed is a lot shallower.



    i use a pair of clean tweazers, very delicately remove it from the paper towel and place it in the soil. I dont have access to Great White, but can get a local variation of the same. I have been recommended the same by Gaz too... I was under the impression its more of a booster than a requirement.
    It's definitely not an absolute requirement but you could do worse than use something like it.

    Again, personally, I can see nothing that you are doing wrong, although I probably would have given the seed a little longer?

    I've not noticed a great time difference between paper towel method or simply putting the seeds straight into soil - it's always a 5 to 6 day process whichever I've used...the main difference being that papertowel is usually a better guarantee of success. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbitual View Post
    Again, personally, I can see nothing that you are doing wrong, although I probably would have given the seed a little longer?
    Thanks Herbitual! How much longer would you have let the seed stay in the soil ?

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    Probably another 24 hours...frustrating, but sometimes time is all you need.

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    This might seem pedantic but is the soil room temperature, and what is the room temperature?

    Someone here once told me that the soil needs to be at 28 deg C, and I am starting to think he is not jsut right, but bang on.
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    Hey Valentina!
    The soil should be at room temp, which is pretty much bout 28-29c.
    I hold water overnight before i spray, so that too is at room temps

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    Ive had same issues a year or so ago put in damp paper towel until I get a tap root, pop in soil with light on and... Nothing
    Now I drop seeds in a glass of water and wait until they sink then put straight in soil BUT now keep them In the Dark and warmth over 25c now I get 100% germination
    Me personally I think keeping in the dark until a day or two after they show above the soil was the game changer imo
    Atb chap
    Oh and I put my auto's in starter cups with added drain holes until they get a few leaves going and then I put them into final pots
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    I am using clay pebbles alone.
    I know that it is only my 2nd grow.
    I am putting into pebbles as a seed and top feed for 1 week.
    once a day only.
    only about 3mm down from surface.
    pots are 1" deep in water from the bottom.

    new feed tomorrow then water level 1" below pots from there on.

    don't want to try soil as I started out with oxypot sytem

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmglo007 View Post
    I am using clay pebbles alone.
    I know that it is only my 2nd grow.
    I am putting into pebbles as a seed and top feed for 1 week.
    once a day only.
    only about 3mm down from surface.
    pots are 1" deep in water from the bottom.

    new feed tomorrow then water level 1" below pots from there on.

    don't want to try soil as I started out with oxypot sytem
    Thanks 007!
    Could you share a few pics ? Someday Id want to try Dwc, and would be interested in seeing how you germinate.

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    How do N_S brother like the others it's hard to see what your doing wrong, i have sewn dozens and dozens of seeds from different suppliers and breeders and not lost a single one yet, take the ones in your pics above if i had one sprouted like that i would have had my wee pot of compost soaked the previous day and left to drain for 24 hours in a nice warm place, i put mine on a paper towel on top of my sky box once the majority of water has drained from it the sky box gives just a very gentle bottom heat, i make the hole in the compost to take the seedling and tap root as you do with just a few mm of compost to cover the seed husk now before i actually cover and i think this is vitally important i use a cocktail stick "blunt end" and put it in the compost a few mm away from the hole the seedling is in and very gently push the compost with the stick in toward the seedling hole i do that all around the hole to make sure the compost pushes onto the tap root so all of it is in contact with compost, if you simply put the tap root and husk into the hole then cover the top of it then that tap root could simply be sitting in a void and won't have much chance at progressing, this is just a thought mate but well worth a try if you don't already do it, good luck brother and all the best, G'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G' View Post
    i put mine on a paper towel on top of my sky box once the majority of water has drained from it the sky box gives just a very gentle bottom heat
    Thats where I picked that up from works a treat

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    Quote Originally Posted by G' View Post
    ...if you simply put the tap root and husk into the hole then cover the top of it then that tap root could simply be sitting in a void and won't have much chance at progressing
    Hey G!
    Thanks for your input. I have been thinking bout this as a possibility. But what buggers me is that to test I laid 2 landrace seeds on the side of the pot, and they sprouted just fine. But still, I will use that toothpick trick of yours. Also, do you too sprout the seed in a cup or something small ? Before moving it to the final pot ? I intend to put the next seed I germinate into a smaller 2" cup.

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    With photo's I use a 3" pot then 6" before putting into final pots auto's I've been going straight to full size pot but I'm about to start a new auto run and I'm going 3" pot with them this time, all the best mukka G'.

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    I always used the paper towel method with about 80-90% success rate.

    Lately I've been using rockwool from IKEA. The product is called Vaxer. Pick up the nursery box and some rockwool (cost about 10 quid). Make sure your temps are stable and cross your fingers.

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    Hello all!

    hehe. Strange to be so excited bout something so elementary.
    As some of you may have known, ive not been able to sprout an auto seed yet, and have in the process wasted away many seeds. I tried soak overnight then straight to soil, in a paper napkin till I have a tap root, in a paper till I have a long tap root. Direct in the soil without any soak etc... It would seem as soon as a seed would hit the soil (in the case of the paper napkin germinated ones) the seed would just stop growing. And no auto seed would germinate in the soil. Even changed the soil to a different brand, same result.

    So I had some Seedsman NL freebies with my last order, which I decided to use two of. I soaked them for bout 20 hrs in RO water. One of the seeds already had a small tap showing towards the end of it. I then planted them in 2 starter cups, one cup with just plain Coco, and one with the soil. The seed which was already showing the tap went into the soil.

    almost 72 hrs laters, the seed in the soil has not done anything, and Im fairly certain its dead, while the seed in the coco sprouted yesterday!!!
    So, Im fairly certain its the soil then, too hot ? Some things grow just fine in the soil though, i have a landrace cutting thats quite healthy, and have germinated landrace seeds in this soil without issue.

    Im seeking advise on how to now move this seedling to the soil without killing it ? And what to do for future attempts ?

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    Even though this attempt will mostly be in vain as im travelling for a couple of weeks in a couple of days, I can have someone take care of the watering while im away, but I will have to move it to the soil by Friday. But im glad to have realized a potential problem with the soil.

    Thanks a ton!
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    OK brother what soil or soils have you been failing with ???

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