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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStamets View Post
    This data pretty much answers question 1 too.

    Recording the reason for death is difficult. It could be said that everyone dies from a cardiac arrest, but was it the car impact, or internal bleeding, or an infection after surgery. All are valid and the decision of the doctor at the time.

    Therefore recording the number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test standardises the collection. Not everyone who dies within 28 days will die of C19 but this error will be standardised. It allows a trend to be presented and easily understood.

    With the significant increase in deaths when compared to an average of previous years, what else could it be related to?

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    Spot on from my understanding. I totally get that the "within 28 days" thing could be perceived as miss-leading and that, yes, there's the run-over-by-a bus thing that could apply. However, for an 80 year old who has lived for 960 months to die within 28 days of something other than Covid after a positive test is so statistically unlikely as to be irrelevant. Like you say, that anomaly would only be relevant if every death certificate prior to the pandemic had been 100% accurate, which, of course they aren't. "Old age" covers a multitude of nasties, for example. Death certificate "errors" are probably no more or less common than they've ever been which, as you say, standardises the figures.

    I think we're just going to have to face it: they are fucking shocking numbers.
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    In the States the government pays more money for a coved patient than they do a normal flu or pneumonia patient and if they happen to put you on a ventilator then you really get the big bucks.

    Show me an incentive and I'll show you the results.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jingo View Post
    In the States the government pays more money for a coved patient than they do a normal flu or pneumonia patient and if they happen to put you on a ventilator then you really get the big bucks.

    Show me an incentive and I'll show you the results.



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    WTF? I mean seriously, what???

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    You mean health insurance money, I'm guessing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bud Lightyear View Post
    They all be out clapping on a thursday night again ffs....I've caught the clap of a nurse but never clapped for one

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    Quote Originally Posted by jingo View Post
    In the States the government pays more money for a coved patient than they do a normal flu or pneumonia patient and if they happen to put you on a ventilator then you really get the big bucks.

    Show me an incentive and I'll show you the results.



    J

    The US health system is the best in the world, only if you have money.

    Not saying this isn't true but it does sound like a typical anti-covid story without any reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbitual View Post
    WTF? I mean seriously, what???
    No this money comes from the federal government direct, it's a bailout of sorts. If you have a coved patient you get something like $14,000 more for the patient, if they go on a ventilator it's something like 50,000 more. It doesn't matter if it's private pay or insurance it's just extra money to the hospitals.

    We used to get the same kind of stuff when I was involved in youth counseling, they would pay you more if you had a victim of intimate partner violence that was a lesbian. And you know what? We'd go out and find whatever type of clients the current block grant was willing to pay for.







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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStamets View Post
    The US health system is the best in the world, only if you have money.

    Not saying this isn't true but it does sound like a typical anti-covid story without any reference.
    Please don't take this as having a go at anyone (and people can't post links as a reference either).

    I'm enjoying this conversation as I do for many topics on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStamets View Post
    The US health system is the best in the world, only if you have money.

    Not saying this isn't true but it does sound like a typical anti-covid story without any reference.
    It was all over our news over here when this thing first started, I haven't seen anything truthful in the news and years. But that is exactly what we do here in the US, they'll put together money for small businesses to keep from laying off their employees and it'll all be sucked up by the major corporations. The medical establishment is one of the triad of the oil and chemical industry they control everything here in our country.



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