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    Just about to start my first grow, I'm on an extremely tight budget so had to go low-ball with most parts, I'm just hoping it'll be enough to do the trick. Would love any pointers or past-experience stories with similar setups

    So the following items are (hopefully) winging their way to me as we speak, they'll be going into my small and highly insulated attic which has a single vent.

    Tent: Green Box 600D 100x100x180
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    Light: Garpsen Reflector Cree COB Series 1000W (actual draw 200W) Full Spectrum 3000K 6000K
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    Fan & Filter:Fox 5" Twin Speed Fan with 300mm RC412 Filter 500m3/Hour


    Seeds: Northern Light Automatic


    Sadly budget had to be my main consideration, so I have a few small worries.
    1. Will I need another light? I'm guessing yes and plan to eventually, but will I get away with one?
    2. With the veg and bloom switches, I'm inclined to run both most of the time to maximise yield, any recommendations?
    3. I'm hoping to run my extraction fan at the low speed setting to keep the noise down, will it cut the mustard?
    4. Unrelated to anything above, but are the cheap 20-30 quid pH meters any use at all, or a total waste of money?
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    You will probably need another light, but do a run and see.
    During veg, run both veg and bloom, won't hurt anything
    The fan should be more than enough
    Can't help you with the ph meter. But, in the interim you could buy ph test strips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_C View Post
    Please reread the forum rules about links. I have removed them from your post.
    Sorry my bad, I did miss that bit, didn't think of it as spamming apologies.

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    Hi Chiefo

    There's nothing obviously wrong with your set up but can you provide more info on how you plan to grow?
    Your question about pH meters makes me think your planning a hydro or coco coir grow?
    Also would like to know what strain and how many plants you want to grow?
    Are you growing from seed or using clones?
    As this is your very first grow you might want to start a grow diary, that way we can guide you every step of the way and hopefully maximize your yield at the end of the grow.

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    I don't know anything about that light and I'm bloody certain that you can grow a great plant with it, but you'll be craving something more very soon.

    I wish you'd come on here to ask first (or that I'd seen it - apologies if we missed the original post - it's a huge forum)
    I'd love to do it and you know you've always had it coming

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    From what I've seen online the light is about £150?

    Is there any way of stopping that element?

    This isn't enough for your tent, but it's absolutely a better light:

    https://vividled.co.uk/shop/ols/prod...-driver-uk-kit

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    You will def need a ph meter, ph buffer (ph 7) ph down and possibly ph up. An ec meter to measure feed strength. The cheap ones are generally crap and will cause you more problems than guessing. Bluelab are the best, Essentials are also very good and I bought a truncheon off eBay. Eventually, I bought the blue lab truncheon. When I tested the others against it the cheap pen was miles off, useless. However, the cheap truncheon was only EC 0.1 out. It is about £50 cheaper.
    You will need at least 1 oscillating fan.
    Some syringes or similar measuring tool. I use 1ml for ph down. I also have 10ml but for larger amounts I use the measuring bit that comes with detergent/conditioner.
    If your light doesn't come with yo-yo's, get them. It more than likely will. At least one bucket for mixing nutes in.
    A big plastic whisk comes in handy if you haven't got an electric one. I have but I still use the whisk.
    A spray bottle also comes in handy. The pound shop normally has the last 2.
    A notebook to record everything you do, the good, the bad and the spot on's. It really helps to be able to refer back. I would also advise you to do a grow diary here if you haven't grown before. Everyone here loves to help, and some of these guys have been doing it for years. I completely messed up my last grow. Wasted 3 weeks of growing time. I now have a mentor and this grow is going really well. I couldn't have done this on my own.
    A last IP, think carefully about what you are going to grow in. Hydro setups are not really for beginners although it is possible. When deciding how many plants you intend to grow, the setup become important. Coco is imo, the easiest to grow in, but it needs more of your time than soil. Take into account you will need a lot of water for coco. There are a ton of diaries on here including completed. There is also a section for led.
    Growing weed is a painstaking hobby and it can't be rushed. Personally, I love it. Go slow to start, decide how and what with, then read a ton of diaries and ask as many questions as you like. Mother nature doesn't like you treating her plants badly, she is known to make you both suffer.

    It would help more if you told us what you will be growing in, soil, coco, whatever, and the setup.

    My mentored grow is in my sig, it's coco growing phenos.
    The other is similar but growing autos. I have another auto in with them now as I am getting rid of 1. Take that as a lesson. I rushed and wasted another 3 weeks
    Mother nature kicked my arse.

    Good luck, enjoy your grow

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    I highly suggest bungy cords, the stretchy things for luggage. Hang the fan from them. If you fix to timber the vibration may cause problems. You can also use them for the filter.

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    Yes good advice from The Solyom. I too advise against going full hydro on your first grow.
    It's too easly to make a mistake and ruin your grow unless you really know what you are doing.
    The most newbie friendly grow medium is Coco Coir imo it is very easy to use and is much like growing in soil but you will get a much greater yield per plant compared to soil.
    Having said that we are here to help and support you whatever you decide to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbitual View Post
    From what I've seen online the light is about £150?

    Is there any way of stopping that element?

    This isn't enough for your tent, but it's absolutely a better light:

    https://vividled.co.uk/shop/ols/prod...-driver-uk-kit

    (sponsors link, btw)
    I second that, cancel the first or send it back. The lights from Vividled are way better. I have one Herb recommends over the autos in my sig grow. I got the optional dimmer for an extra £10 and it was money well spent. These lights are very powerful and you need to turn them down with young plants. If you check out this link
    https://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-for...post1071061195
    you can ask him for advice and he normally answers pretty quickly. You also get a discount for being a member of this site.
    Also, I wouldn't grow more than 2 plants with your tent or this light. As I said, start slowly
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    Quote Originally Posted by illearth67 View Post
    Hi Chiefo

    There's nothing obviously wrong with your set up but can you provide more info on how you plan to grow?
    Your question about pH meters makes me think your planning a hydro or coco coir grow?
    Also would like to know what strain and how many plants you want to grow?
    Are you growing from seed or using clones?
    As this is your very first grow you might want to start a grow diary, that way we can guide you every step of the way and hopefully maximize your yield at the end of the grow.
    The plan was to grow four Northern Lights autos from seeds in compost and vermiculite/pearlite, walk before I can run etc. Coco is also an option, just I've seen videos where people were having problems with water retention and other things, but I've been wrong before! Definitely staying away from Hydro, but from what I understand pH levels are extremely important no matter the medium. I'm just gonna go with test strips at first so, there's no way I can afford the good meters

    And yes I'll very definitely be doing a grow diary, I'm under no illusions of being able to do this on my own!

    Quote Originally Posted by Herbitual View Post
    From what I've seen online the light is about £150?

    Is there any way of stopping that element?
    No it's Amazon so of course it'll be the first to arrive, likely in the next few days, I suppose I can send it back but every extra day is another day without weed, and I'm currently unemployed and quite literally penniless (covid etc), so I'm not even sure if I can stretch to the extra £30 (inc shipping). Is there really such a massive gulf in quality between the two? I miss stage lighting, so much easier to compare fixtures!

    What exactly is it about my light that's insufficient, just overall output or light quality? I've always liked Cree and thought their COBs were good quality, but as I said in the intro forum I'm a stage lampy not a grower!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Solyom View Post
    You will def need a ph meter, ph buffer (ph 7) ph down and possibly ph up. An ec meter to measure feed strength. The cheap ones are generally crap and will cause you more problems than guessing. Bluelab are the best, Essentials are also very good and I bought a truncheon off eBay. Eventually, I bought the blue lab truncheon. When I tested the others against it the cheap pen was miles off, useless. However, the cheap truncheon was only EC 0.1 out. It is about £50 cheaper.
    You will need at least 1 oscillating fan.
    Some syringes or similar measuring tool. I use 1ml for ph down. I also have 10ml but for larger amounts I use the measuring bit that comes with detergent/conditioner.
    If your light doesn't come with yo-yo's, get them. It more than likely will. At least one bucket for mixing nutes in.
    A big plastic whisk comes in handy if you haven't got an electric one. I have but I still use the whisk.
    A spray bottle also comes in handy. The pound shop normally has the last 2.
    A notebook to record everything you do, the good, the bad and the spot on's. It really helps to be able to refer back. I would also advise you to do a grow diary here if you haven't grown before. Everyone here loves to help, and some of these guys have been doing it for years. I completely messed up my last grow. Wasted 3 weeks of growing time. I now have a mentor and this grow is going really well. I couldn't have done this on my own.
    A last IP, think carefully about what you are going to grow in. Hydro setups are not really for beginners although it is possible. When deciding how many plants you intend to grow, the setup become important. Coco is imo, the easiest to grow in, but it needs more of your time than soil. Take into account you will need a lot of water for coco. There are a ton of diaries on here including completed. There is also a section for led.
    Growing weed is a painstaking hobby and it can't be rushed. Personally, I love it. Go slow to start, decide how and what with, then read a ton of diaries and ask as many questions as you like. Mother nature doesn't like you treating her plants badly, she is known to make you both suffer.

    It would help more if you told us what you will be growing in, soil, coco, whatever, and the setup.

    Cheers for this, that's a lot of valuable info. The small cheap bits can be (and mostly have been) begged, borrowed or stolen, it's the pH and EC meters that worry me, they're simply out of reach financially. I was thinking if I grew in soil I could stay away from nutes for a couple weeks then just take a softly-softly approach after that. Now I'm guessing no!

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    Check if the cobs are cxb3590s. They are pretty good and not to be snubbed. They aint the latest QB level but still a solid cob.

    Cannot find specs definitively for your unit. Looks oem with branding put on it.

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    I would just return those lights, if you haven't use them yet. Not that they aren't good, just for the fact, you paid too much for them. There are plenty much lower price than those. JMO I bought 4 cobs for $362.00, but didn't check every where, and come to find out, they are much cheaper than that. But I do like mine, just wish I had done more research first.
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    I was going to get Cree leds read review online 1000w draws around 600w but output is actually equivalent to 200w so better to use fluorescents and the 10w diodes are 3w complete crap lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnice View Post
    I was going to get Cree leds read review online 1000w draws around 600w but output is actually equivalent to 200w so better to use fluorescents and the 10w diodes are 3w complete crap lights
    Agree completely about the 3W LEDs but I can't fathom how 600 actual watts of led can only produce 200W of actual output, even with sub-par Crees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imnice View Post
    I was going to get Cree leds read review online 1000w draws around 600w but output is actually equivalent to 200w so better to use fluorescents and the 10w diodes are 3w complete crap lights
    No, your thinking about Cobs is wrong. Even though they only put out 101W per 3590 Cobs. 4 of them together will put out A very nice PPFD pattern at 18", I burnt my tips on my tops, for trying to run them at 15". Light stress. The Cobs are much better than you are giving the credit for. JMO

    These are day 44 of flower under 405W draw of Cobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefo View Post
    The plan was to grow four Northern Lights autos from seeds in compost and vermiculite/pearlite, walk before I can run etc. Coco is also an option, just I've seen videos where people were having problems with water retention and other things, but I've been wrong before! Definitely staying away from Hydro, but from what I understand pH levels are extremely important no matter the medium. I'm just gonna go with test strips at first so, there's no way I can afford the good meters

    And yes I'll very definitely be doing a grow diary, I'm under no illusions of being able to do this on my own
    Hi Chiefo

    Thanks for all that info you've provided. The advice here is top notch as always and not being an LED user myself I'm learning a lot here too!
    Seems like the LED's are defo able to compete with the CFL's and HID lights now and that is very good news for all growers.
    With Summer coming it's going to be a lot easier to manage any heat issues that might arise and this has always been a big downside especially for HID's.
    Anyway you should take the advice that's been given and you can always request that this thread be moved over to the Grow Diaries section when you're ready.
    In the meantime good luck and keep the thread updated and I guarantee you will get all the help you need.

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    I've decided to just plow ahead with the light and hopefully supplement it with something even more half-decent a couple weeks down the line, so I'm thinking probably just run it at max, 24/7. If I return it I'd have to wait for the refund before I could buy something else and it's taking at least 7-10 and sometimes even 15 days for stuff from the UK to Ireland and vice versa, can't face waiting that long twice, this is now my only viable source of weed! Don't get me wrong I can be patient and won't be doing anything rash or rushed, but lets just say it needs to be on time and on budget.

    So I have six Northern Light autos and a semi-passable light, the tent and vent stuff are still a few days away so in the meantime I'm researching mediums and nutrients and additives and environmental stuff, and seeing what's available in local grow shops. I found what I reckon is a good one near me called BloomandGrow(.ie), so I assembled this shopping cart, again mostly bearing in mind budget and time constraints:

    Canna Profesional Soil 50L
    Sensi Grow A&B Soil 1L
    Sensi Bloom A+B Soil 1L
    Boost Buddy CO2 Bag
    4 x Airpots 11L
    Pack of 200 pH test strips
    Canna pH Down
    Atami Calmag 1L (because according to Irish Water I live in a soft water area (68mg/l CaCO3), despite every map I've seen showing the contrary)

    I'd love some opinions, anything I should add or remove?

    Also would love some help with a few things I haven't quite figured out yet.

    - Soil or coco? Still haven't fully committed, I've heard coco is easier but needs more prep and has to be watered every day without fail, but I've also heard it retains water really well... Considering I'll be carrying all my water up two flights of stairs then up a ladder through a 3'x3' hatch, I'd rather keep it to a minimum. There is the option of using water from the attic cistern that's literally three feet from my tent, but every bone in my body is telling me not to do that.

    - Is sensi-grow really the all-in-one nutrient-nirvana plant-panacea pH-negating god-verifying miracle that it claims to be? It must be because it's fairly expensive and the blurb says so, right? Is there any way of really eliminating pH testing?

    - Is the CO2 bag a good idea? Since the light isn't amazing I figured a little extra CO2 would help, but I've also heard that professor Bruce Bugbee say a house full of people produces a decent amount of CO2 already. Could I swap that out for something more useful? That list above uses basically my entire budget (approx €100) for the next few weeks at least. I really can't overstate the how skinny this shoestring is here. But I do I have fans and a thermo/hygro, and all the bits of rigging etc. So balls are rolling....

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