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    Quote Originally Posted by scoot View Post
    My last bill,the energy is cheap as shit,it's the other charges that screw me over

    Used May 09-May 31 (541.00 KWH @ 0.062900 $/KWH) $34.03
    Used May 31-Jun 08 (197.00 KWH @ 0.062900 $/KWH) $12.39
    Administration Fee $6.90

    Energy Total $52.82
    Delivery Charges - ATCO ELECTRIC
    Distribution Charge May 09-Jun 08 $110.80
    Transmission Charge $36.53
    Rate Riders $12.41
    Local Access Fee $15.08
    Delivery Total $174.82
    GST $11.38
    Current Billing $239.02
    $214.02 TOTAL AMOUNT DUE
    Thanks for posting those figures for those who want to compare apples to apples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpsj View Post
    I don't have solar panels yet but several houses in my neighborhood have them. Am I correct in assuming solar power is indeed cost effective in the end?
    Yes. But small print is crucial and getting a good price is crucial. Personally if in the US I would wait a few months. The new biden bill will provide a big discount on new service.

    The small print is warranty... 20 years on parts and 20 years on labor is what you should demand. Check the installation company online. Did they change their company name 4 times in 10 years? Run! Are they 3 years old? Run! You want a company with a 15 year minimum history offering brand name products. No China. I think mine were made in Germany with some parts made in the US. Cables probably came from China. Can't control everything.
    Ask for part numbers and look online.
    If using financing, payments don't start until the electric company and city signs the inspection as passed and working. Company's that want payments to start right away are a scam.
    Feel free to reach out for help. I am good at reading contracts and don't mind having a lookover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CityDweller View Post
    Yes. But small print is crucial and getting a good price is crucial. Personally if in the US I would wait a few months. The new biden bill will provide a big discount on new service.

    The small print is warranty... 20 years on parts and 20 years on labor is what you should demand. Check the installation company online. Did they change their company name 4 times in 10 years? Run! Are they 3 years old? Run! You want a company with a 15 year minimum history offering brand name products. No China. I think mine were made in Germany with some parts made in the US. Cables probably came from China. Can't control everything.
    Ask for part numbers and look online.
    If using financing, payments don't start until the electric company and city signs the inspection as passed and working. Company's that want payments to start right away are a scam.
    Feel free to reach out for help. I am good at reading contracts and don't mind having a lookover.
    Great info! That's the kinda stuff I need to know. And yes.... I'm aware that there may be big incentives coming for investing into solar in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CityDweller View Post
    0.19 us when I add the delivery charge to the electric charge. I have a lot of solar panels so I pay under $100 on the worst months and $30 on good months.
    Im giving serious thought to solar. I can do all the installation myself, probably need an electrician present when i tie everything in. How long have you had your panels and whats the maintenance looking like?

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    The big problem with solar as I see it is if you want to run a thousand watt grow room you'll need at least 2,000 Watts of panels and 3000 watts of energy storage. That's if you're in a great sunny part of the country. In my area I would need 5,000 Watts of energy storage and the panels that could charge them up efficiently.

    It's pretty easy to come by solar panels right now, but just try and get decent storage batteries and cables. Those are ridiculously expensive or maybe not even available.

    If you go with the newer batteries the lithium something something, then you run into the problem with battery maintenance systems built into the batteries. What do you do if you get a solar flare or an EMP? It kills your battery. That was why I went old school with my system that I'm building myself. Lead acid will continue to work whether there's a solar flare or an EMP or anything else.

    The risk of fire with the new batteries really concerns me also. Many parts of the country are having real breakdowns in emergency services including police fire and medical. I've been buying 10 lb fire extinguishers and hanging them all over my property and in my house and shop.

    My little emergency solar backup system is designed to run our CPAP machines and our electric blankets. Then still have more left over to start up the pellet stove and run it all day and occasionally run the fridge in the freezer.

    Right now I have the electrical components wrapped in cardboard and stuffed in the metal garbage cans. That will protect them from EMPs or solar flares. I also keep our old CPAP machines and old shortwave radios and CB radios in those same cans. I'm thinking about building my system to be somewhat modular and have the Faraday shielding built in.

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    I would love one of these. They track the sun like a flower and they self clean when they close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingo View Post
    The big problem with solar as I see it is if you want to run a thousand watt grow room you'll need at least 2,000 Watts of panels and 3000 watts of energy storage. That's if you're in a great sunny part of the country. In my area I would need 5,000 Watts of energy storage and the panels that could charge them up efficiently.

    It's pretty easy to come by solar panels right now, but just try and get decent storage batteries and cables. Those are ridiculously expensive or maybe not even available.

    If you go with the newer batteries the lithium something something, then you run into the problem with battery maintenance systems built into the batteries. What do you do if you get a solar flare or an EMP? It kills your battery. That was why I went old school with my system that I'm building myself. Lead acid will continue to work whether there's a solar flare or an EMP or anything else.

    The risk of fire with the new batteries really concerns me also. Many parts of the country are having real breakdowns in emergency services including police fire and medical. I've been buying 10 lb fire extinguishers and hanging them all over my property and in my house and shop.

    My little emergency solar backup system is designed to run our CPAP machines and our electric blankets. Then still have more left over to start up the pellet stove and run it all day and occasionally run the fridge in the freezer.

    Right now I have the electrical components wrapped in cardboard and stuffed in the metal garbage cans. That will protect them from EMPs or solar flares. I also keep our old CPAP machines and old shortwave radios and CB radios in those same cans. I'm thinking about building my system to be somewhat modular and have the Faraday shielding built in.

    J

    Do the batteries need to be in a heated room?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stokes View Post
    Im giving serious thought to solar. I can do all the installation myself, probably need an electrician present when i tie everything in. How long have you had your panels and whats the maintenance looking like?
    I'm at 1.5 years in. I had 1 inverter go bad in the first month and no issues since them. Cleaning off the snow is a pain but worth the sun earnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingo View Post
    The big problem with solar as I see it is if you want to run a thousand watt grow room you'll need at least 2,000 Watts of panels and 3000 watts of energy storage. That's if you're in a great sunny part of the country. In my area I would need 5,000 Watts of energy storage and the panels that could charge them up efficiently.

    It's pretty easy to come by solar panels right now, but just try and get decent storage batteries and cables. Those are ridiculously expensive or maybe not even available.

    If you go with the newer batteries the lithium something something, then you run into the problem with battery maintenance systems built into the batteries. What do you do if you get a solar flare or an EMP? It kills your battery. That was why I went old school with my system that I'm building myself. Lead acid will continue to work whether there's a solar flare or an EMP or anything else.

    The risk of fire with the new batteries really concerns me also. Many parts of the country are having real breakdowns in emergency services including police fire and medical. I've been buying 10 lb fire extinguishers and hanging them all over my property and in my house and shop.

    My little emergency solar backup system is designed to run our CPAP machines and our electric blankets. Then still have more left over to start up the pellet stove and run it all day and occasionally run the fridge in the freezer.

    Right now I have the electrical components wrapped in cardboard and stuffed in the metal garbage cans. That will protect them from EMPs or solar flares. I also keep our old CPAP machines and old shortwave radios and CB radios in those same cans. I'm thinking about building my system to be somewhat modular and have the Faraday shielding built in.

    J

    I don't have batteries (I want them but thats another investment for the future) the panels are on the local grid. I get a kwph credit for anything extra I don't use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue61 View Post
    I would love one of these. They track the sun like a flower and they self clean when they close.

    That looks awesome!

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